***Official USMNT-WCQ Octagonal Thread***

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They very well could have. It is sort of weird that we have two coaches having this conversation by proxy through the media. I don't hear that sort of thing expressed this pointedly for other international stars (Messi maybe being the one exception I can think of), but that might just be because I'm way more tuned-in to the Pulisic stuff than I am for other international players.
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Yeah. And on second thought, it's also a little odd that neither of them mentioned a discussion or reaching an understanding with other side. So maybe there is a falling out of some kind.

While CP clearly doesn't have world-wide game like Messi, he's unquestionably the most famous US player right now, and perhaps dare I say "of all time" so it's not surprising it's drawing media attention.
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jeffk said:

Herc Gomez brought up a good point on his show about this by saying it was a little concerning that this conversation happened in public and through the media. Also that all three parties (Greg, Tuchel, and CP) are well aware of his status and they should all be working towards getting him fit but apparently at least one of the parties thought it necessary to air this out publicly. So there's a rift here somewhere.
I dont think its a rift, its just the club negotiating in the court of public opinion. Coaches have always done that (not all of them though), and always will do it. Especially as clubs gain more and more power
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I've liked some of what Herc has had to say over the last few years, but he is definitely trying to be the Skip Bayless of soccer this year.
Just hot take after hot take, always combative
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Haha, I don't think he's at the Alexi Lalas level yet.
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jeffk said:

Haha, I don't think he's at the Alexi Lalas level yet.
Definitely not, Herc still tries to mix actual analysis in.
I imagine it gets frustrating that you get more attention by intentionally being a jackass than you do from trying to provide quality analysis.
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I think the time constraints of being on tv really does a disservice to actual analysis. Lalas' podcast is not too bad. Herc's podcast format just doesn't do it for me.

I like Scuffed and TSS for more indepth analysis. ESPNFC cracks me up given how much they give each other crap.
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akm91 said:

I think the time constraints of being on tv really does a disservice to actual analysis. Lalas' podcast is not too bad. Herc's podcast format just doesn't do it for me.

I like Scuffed and TSS for more indepth analysis. ESPNFC cracks me up given how much they give each other crap.
I actually really dislike that cohost of his on the ESPN show they do, Sebastian Salazar I think is his name.
I haven't really listened to his podcast, but I think its with Max Bretos and I dont really have an opinion on him.
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Agreed regarding Salazar. Herc and Sebastian are the hosts of the pod and I don't like the format of their pod. It's too loud, over the top and full of hot takes.
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Well damn

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Thank you for your service.



jeffk
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They did say that they solicited bids from other companies prior to resigning with Nike. I don't really have a problem with Nike, but I do wish USSF would flex their muscles a bit more to resist all the weird kits Nike seems to want to put out there.
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Just give us the Waldos back
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Wish we would partner with an American company for our training. VW makes us look like Wolfsburg.
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Kevin the 3-legged dog said:

Wish we would partner with an American company for our training. VW makes us look like Wolfsburg.
Chevrolet would make us look like Man U! American Express would make us look like Brighton!
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jeffk said:

They did say that they solicited bids from other companies prior to resigning with Nike. I don't really have a problem with Nike, but I do wish USSF would flex their muscles a bit more to resist all the weird kits Nike seems to want to put out there.
We should also be pushing to get our own designs, and they should be pushing Nike to create a lasting identity that they iterate on for one of the jerseys. In my opinion, this should be the Waldos.
They can get creative with the 2nd/3rd jerseys when they want.
jeffk
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100%
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Agreed. It seems like every 2 years we completely scrap whatever concept to try something new. It's getting rather old and leads to no continuity.
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1994 kits forever!

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jeffk said:

100%


200%
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I have a soft spot in my heart for the 94 WC kits (my first exposure to USMNT), but I also have a similarly strong affinity for the 95 kits. Nike started off skrong with those.
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oh no said:

Kevin the 3-legged dog said:

Wish we would partner with an American company for our training. VW makes us look like Wolfsburg.
Chevrolet would make us look like Man U! American Express would make us look like Brighton!
all of you people are wrong. We need an online gambling company as a kit sponsor.


ChingChong71936BET365.com or something has a nice feel to it. But we would look a bit too much like half of the EPL….
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jeffk said:


Surprising as Turner has played really well
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gougler08 said:

jeffk said:


Surprising as Turner has played really well


Ggg, haven't you ever heard, if it ain't broke don't fix it?

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gougler08 said:

jeffk said:


Surprising as Turner has played really well
Not to mention that Steffen isn't playing much right now.

Once again Gregg is saying one thing (minutes matter) and doing another.
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Wonder what Berhalter and Turner's conversation was like before that announcement. I'm not sure starting Steffen adds much to the match as Turner is a better shot stopper. We're not going to have the possession advantage for Steffen's alleged foot skill advantage to matter that much. Mexico averaged 21.5 shots (6 on target) between the two finals they lost this summer. I'd rather have Turner be in goal with the better opportunity to stop those 6 shots on goal.
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a full strength MEX with Lozano and Jiminez attacking - we never saw that in nations league or gold cup.

I do not believe Steffen is better at distribution with his feet and I'm not sure he's a better shot stopper than Turner. Regardless, I would expect both keepers to perform at a high level and the 10 men in front of whoever is in goal should be preventing dangerous scoring opportunities. The difference between Turner and Steffen should be nothing like the current drop-off from Adams to anyone else at 6.
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I'm perplexed as to what Turner has done to lose the job.
If you say you hate the state of politics in this nation and you don't get involved in it, you obviously don't hate the state of politics in this nation.
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Steffan lost the job by being injured. One theory is you don't lose your job by injury.

Berhalter has 2 keepers. There is the saying that if you have 2 keepers you don't have any. He's rolling the dice but it's a dangerous bet.
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well we need to have two keepers that Greggg and the team trust ready to go for Qatar, but these two match day qualifiers just to get to Qatar seem too important to be effing around when Turner has been lights out... how many goals has he conceded in total between the first two WCQ windows and last summer's cups? like 2 total?

I wonder if there's any politics dealing with Man City going on here?


...but like I said, I don't think the drop should be that big, so hopefully starting Steffen doesn't equate to conceding a bunch of goals!!
jeffk
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Game thread is up.
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jeffk said:

Game thread is up.
Good job. First things first!

Step one: jeffk starts the game thread
KCup17
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Death, Taxes and a Jeffk game thread.
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Dos a cero!
 
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