Donald Sterling

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Lefty96
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Pretty sure you could be.

CEO of Mozilla got fired for a political contribution.

Sterling is part of a club. A club that makes billions putting on games that are played by 90% African Americans. The percentage of fans that are African American is probably higher than any other sport as well. He had to be gone ASAP. There is nothing unfair about a club following its own rules and looking out for the interests of its members.



I believe that what Sterling said is absolutely disgusting and vile and racist. Too often in our society people use the racism card to unfairly attack the character of an individual they disagree with or to create a non-existent controversy to score political points, but that is not the case with Donald Sterling. There is no denying that his statements are nothing but heartless bigotry, and I am mildly comforted that the great majority of people are outraged at the things he said.

That said, the reference to the Mozilla CEO is a prime example of the slippery slope Mark Cuban is talking about. What happens when the politically correct mob decides there are other issues where we have to think a certain way or hold a certain view or otherwise we must be personally destroyed and marginalized?


What if a team owner, in the privacy of his own home, is recorded telling his son he does not want him engaging in same sex behavior? Or telling his daughter he doesn't want her dating someone that holds a different religious belief than hers? Does that make the owner a homophobe or intolerant of other religions?

I realize it's not an apples to apples comparison. In the case of Sterling, all you have to do is listen to his recent and past disgraceful statements and it's crystal clear that the guy is a racist.

But the example of the Mozilla CEO should concern everyone. It shows that there is a totalitarian element in our society (including the self-righteous media) that want to demonize and destroy people not for any type of inappropriate conduct or actions, but simply for holding a contrary opinion or worldview.

Although I'm not a fan of Cuban, I happen to agree that it becomes a slippery slope when we take drastic actions based on what people say and think, as opposed to what they do.



[This message has been edited by Lefty96 (edited 4/29/2014 5:18p).]
Mr.Bond
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Being pro black is still absolutely racism
BoxingAg84
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Being pro black is still absolutely racism

Wait, so not being ashamed of your ethnicity is racist?
Jacques
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Being pro black is still absolutely racism

Wait, so not being ashamed of your ethnicity is racist?


Is it racist to be pro-white?
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Wait, so not being ashamed of your ethnicity is racist?


Would you say the same thing about someone labeled pro-white?

Pro-(insert anything here) comes with the idea that (insert anything here)>everything else

The stance that is acceptable is typically anything other than pro-white, whereas the best stance is pro-equality.
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Sterling vs Eich

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Is Brendan Eich as bad as Donald Sterling? If Sterling deserves to lose his team for being a racist—as the NBA has just affirmed—did Eich deserve to lose his job for opposing gay marriage?

Lots of bloggers think so. They say Eich’s defenders are hypocrites to denounce Sterling.
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Being pro black is still absolutely racism

Wait, so not being ashamed of your ethnicity is racist?


Is it racist to be pro-white?
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http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/SB-Blogs/On-The-Ground/2014/04/NBA-Owners-React-on-Twitter.aspx

25 owners on board with booting him
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what if a NBA owner was recorded privately saying that he believed marriage was between a man and a woman

would he be banned for life? suspended? fined?
Know Your Enemy
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No, that's a perfectly acceptable religious belief. Now if he said to his girlfriend not to post pictures of her with gay people or not to bring gay people to games, then that'd be a problem.

Can you see the difference?
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I'd argue that America has overcome its history and issues with race much more than many other civilized, western countries who continue to bury it and act as if it isn't a problem.

This actually reminds me a lot of America.
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That'd be different than saying you don't like gays and don't want them at your games especially if your league is 80% gay and has a huge gay following.
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No, that's a perfectly acceptable religious belief.


it is?
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I do enjoy the absolution with regard to LJ

Sterling is a scumbag who should have been axed long ago, but if we're using this episode to make a lasting statement, then there's going to be a precedent
Know Your Enemy
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No, that's a perfectly acceptable religious belief.

it is?

As long as you don't discriminate against gay people, what's the problem?
cone
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so holding that belief isn't discriminatory in itself?
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SockAg - you're a smart dude. I can't believe you're equating JayZ's lyrics to what Sterling said...
4stringAg
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As long as you don't discriminate against gay people, what's the problem?


Was Sterling discriminating against black people in his capacity as owner of the Clippers? Maybe he was, I don't really know all the details. But I don't recall anywhere in the story him refusing to hire blacks as players or coaches, refusing blacks admittance to Clippers games or anything like that. He asked his mistress not to bring black friends with her to games but he didn't compel her not to.

I know he had some discriminatory practices and actions earlier in his role as property owner so he has a history of discrimination.

More than anything else based on my observation of this situation, he was punished by the NBA for his beliefs (prejudices) and not his actions (discrimination). If the NBA were interested in punishing him for actions, they would have dealt with him a long time ago when other race related transgressions were known.

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SockAg - you're a smart dude. I can't believe you're equating JayZ's lyrics to what Sterling said...


You are missing my point. The NBA ruled that Sterling should lose his team because of detrimental conduct that would hurt the NBA.

Yet here is a man that used to own part of the nets that wrote songs about n***as, hoes, b***hes, etc etc, etc and no action is taken.

Why is that?
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^^not sure if trolling or just that out of touch
Know Your Enemy
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so holding that belief isn't discriminatory in itself?

I don't believe so. I don't agree with all the decisions my friends make in their lives but I don't judge them or treat them any differently because we don't agree on everything.
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So it appears that Sterling knew he was being recorded as his girlfriend did it all the time & he would listen back to them because he would forget what he said.

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-80046733/
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so he's senile?
4stringAg
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Apparently so, that or a major dumbass..
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Well that's just dumb...
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Donald Sterling tonight:
marble rye
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For years and years he trampled on the rights of minorities and violated the Fair Housing Act repeatedly and the NBA knew about it. They did nothing.

Then he says something disparaging about Earvin Johnson and all of a sudden he's out the door?

I agree the guy is despicable but with the full knowledge of his racial bias and violation of minorities rights for an extended period they did nothing. The NBA looks worse than Sterling in my opinion.


Two words.

David Stern
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So it appears that Sterling knew he was being recorded as his girlfriend did it all the time & he would listen back to them because he would forget what he said.

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-80046733/


WTF?
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WTF?


Well that actually explains a lot. The guy is just flat out old. He probably doesn't think really clearly or articulate himself well.
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SockAg - you're a smart dude. I can't believe you're equating JayZ's lyrics to what Sterling said...


You are missing my point. The NBA ruled that Sterling should lose his team because of detrimental conduct that would hurt the NBA.

Yet here is a man that used to own part of the nets that wrote songs about n***as, hoes, b***hes, etc etc, etc and no action is taken.

Why is that?


You are correct in that Sterling's comments were deemed detrimental to the NBA. I don't think there's any doubt about that his comments did just that. It brought a huge amount of negative attention to the league. Most importantly, it created a hostile work environment for the players, coaches, and other athletes. If they don't do anything punitive, then it sends a signal that they condone racism. So, they punished him.

You may disagree with JayZ's lyrics (I personally think he's overrated as a musician, but that's for another discussion board), but you'd have to convince us that his lyrics bring a negative light to the NBA and create a hostile work environment.
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I don't know of this is on here already, but this is good stuff from Bomani Jones...

http://deadspin.com/in-10-minutes-espns-bomani-jones-lays-waste-to-the-ste-1569195989
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I usually do not agree with the guy, but he hit the nail on the head here:

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Let's be careful here. From the owner's box to the locker room, professional sports are overrun with wealthy men in complicated, volatile sexual relationships. If TMZ plans to make "pillow talk" public and the standard is set that "pillow talk" is actionable, it won't be long before a parade of athletes joins Sterling on Ignorance Island.

A right to privacy is at the very foundation of American freedoms. It's a core value. It's a mistake to undermine a core value because we don't like the way a billionaire exercises it. What happens when a disgruntled lover gives TMZ a tape of a millionaire athlete expressing a homophobic or anti-Semitic or anti-white perspective?


The rest of it goes off on stuff I don't agree with, though.


Normally don't agree with Whitlock, but he nails it with this quote.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10857268/removing-donald-sterling-la-clippers-owner-fix-our-culture
Wade_3
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You are correct in that Sterling's comments were deemed detrimental to the NBA. I don't think there's any doubt about that his comments did just that. It brought a huge amount of negative attention to the league. Most importantly, it created a hostile work environment for the players, coaches, and other athletes. If they don't do anything punitive, then it sends a signal that they condone racism. So, they punished him.

You may disagree with JayZ's lyrics (I personally think he's overrated as a musician, but that's for another discussion board), but you'd have to convince us that his lyrics bring a negative light to the NBA and create a hostile work environment.



Therein lies the problem. What, exactly, is the NBA's definition of "negative attention? What is their threshold?

Gilbert Arenas was indef suspended for a year for bringing firearms into the locker room.

Meta World Peace (nee Ron Artest) attacked a pistons fan and was only suspended for 86 games.

The ower of the Orlando Magic made negative comments about gay marriage and individuals infected with the AIDS virus.

Should any of those individuals be treated the same way as Sterling was, or are all of those actions considered less important to the NBA than his racist comments?

If so, why?
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Progress, it's all about progress


This isn't progress. This is bull****. Metaphorically burning a guy at the stake for words in an illegally recorded conversation? Are you kidding me? Progress would have been doing this 9 YEARS AGO when he was brought up on charges of racism by the DOJ in his real estate practices, where he was fined and had to pay ~7M altogether in fines and court costs. You know, cause his racist practices there actually MATTERED. Punishing him now, for ignorant comments made in a private conversation that really had no effect on anyone, is just looking for acceptance from the popularly outraged public that the NBA is doing the "right" thing, even though this situation is nothing compared to his former convictions of racism.

Donald Sterling is a despicable man, but he's done far worse things publicly that the NBA did absolutely nothing about.


This is a great point. The NBA should have exercised its authority to get rid of him for his racist PRACTICES a long time ago. Getting rid of him now for private STATEMENTS which were seemingly elicited by his girlfriend as part of a set-up doesn't come near that actual practices the DOJ charged him with.

I'm going to guess there are a handful or more of owners who have said things in private which were as racially/ethnically/religiously/sexually charged as Stirling's comments. The NBA is reaching very broadly in punishing him, taking away his property, for private comments. Everything about Sterling seems to indicate he's a petty, vindictive SOB. I would be surprised if he didn't mount a legal challenge and I think he has some good arguments.

If you're an NBA owner voting to force Sterling to sell the team, you better be prepared to have the same standards applied to you. That means potentially giving deposition testimony regarding your own private statements.
Know Your Enemy
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The NBA is reaching very broadly in punishing him, taking away his property,

The NBA is doing no such thing.
 
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