Yeah, it's time to find anyone named Singh and give them a lot of PT.

I know that tanking is what is best but I can't watch the games and actively root against the Mav's. I was pretty pissed when Westbrook got the Dwyane Wade treatment the other night.

Once the dust had settled though I was happy. This tanking thing is tough for fans.

They need to tank tho. Might as well since they won't catch the Blazers or thuggets. It's what any smart team would do with about 10 games left.

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I know that tanking is what is best but I can't watch the games and actively root against the Mav's. I was pretty pissed when Westbrook got the Dwyane Wade treatment the other night.

Once the dust had settled though I was happy. This tanking thing is tough for fans.

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More to your point, I don't see how someone can go to a game and actively root for them to fail. That arena, when games are exciting, is contagious

We did it y'all- we're in the lottery

Made the lottery. What's the lowest we could finish?

The odds of a top 3 pick go up significantly with every drop in the standings. Right now they're in the 9th slot, with Minnesota behind one game. I suppose it's possible that Minnesota, Sacramento, and New York could all leap frog Dallas (putting Dallas in the 5th spot), but I think Minnesota overtaking the Mavs (putting Dallas at #8) is more realistic.

Mavs need to lose as many as possible. Nobody should get mad at them because they haven't cared about the draft since the 90s it's not like this team tanks hardly ever.

Agreed. Getting into that #7 spot would increase their chances of getting a top 3 pick from 6.1% to 15%.

http://www.tankathon.com/

Next up:

Portland@Minnesota on Monday night. Obviously need Minnesota to win.

Tuesday:

Minnesota@Golden State. Probably no chance of a Minnesota win here.

Dallas@Sacramento. A Dallas loss here in a double win since Sacramento is in the #7 spot at the moment.

Wednesday:

Dallas@LAC.

Thursday:

Minn@Portland

Friday:

Minn@Utah
Sac@LAL
SA@Dallas

Good chance to lose the rest from here on out, though we will definitely be treated to a Pop special for the season finale. Dirk is probably going to sit at least game or two of the Achilles continues to bother him.

This losing thing is not too bad...

I think that a Top 8 selection went out the window yesterday. Luckily Carslise had Harrison Barnes play 39 minutes yesterday after being eliminated... So clutch...

The Mavs are staring at a 2 game winning streak with the game @Sacramento. At this point I just hope they can hold onto the 9 spot. If the Mavs draft Markannan at 10 that would be a huge let down. To end up with the Finnish Channing Frye when we were about 3 pointless wins away from Dennis Smith Jr. or Malik Monk would be a huge blow.

The Mavericks haven't ever been perceived to be a smart organization. It makes sense because they've never had success drafting and developing their own players. They didn't even draft dirk technically speaking.

They just play hard to win regardless of the situation and that's usually a good thing, but it's not ALWAYs a good thing. Sometimes it's good to lose. Ask San Antonio..... they had a "flunking for Duncan" campaign going the year before they drafted him. It paid off..... they have been a top notch organization ever since.

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The Mavericks haven't ever been perceived to be a smart organization. It makes sense because they've never had success drafting and developing their own players. They didn't even draft dirk technically speaking.

They just play hard to win regardless of the situation and that's usually a good thing, but it's not ALWAYs a good thing. Sometimes it's good to lose. Ask San Antonio..... they had a "flunking for Duncan" campaign going the year before they drafted him. It paid off..... they have been a top notch organization ever since.

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They executed perfectly in the Dirk draft.

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I think that a Top 8 selection went out the window yesterday. Luckily Carslise had Harrison Barnes play 39 minutes yesterday after being eliminated... So clutch...

The Mavs are staring at a 2 game winning streak with the game @Sacramento. At this point I just hope they can hold onto the 9 spot. If the Mavs draft Markannan at 10 that would be a huge let down. To end up with the Finnish Channing Frye when we were about 3 pointless wins away from Dennis Smith Jr. or Malik Monk would be a huge blow.

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I swear Carlisle must get paid per win in his contract. And most years I swear he must get docked pay for every minute he plays someone under 24 years old.

He's a great coach. But my concerns about him being a terrible coach for a rebuild all seem to be coming to fruition.

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jeffdjohnson said:

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I think that a Top 8 selection went out the window yesterday. Luckily Carslise had Harrison Barnes play 39 minutes yesterday after being eliminated... So clutch...

The Mavs are staring at a 2 game winning streak with the game @Sacramento. At this point I just hope they can hold onto the 9 spot. If the Mavs draft Markannan at 10 that would be a huge let down. To end up with the Finnish Channing Frye when we were about 3 pointless wins away from Dennis Smith Jr. or Malik Monk would be a huge blow.

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I swear Carlisle must get paid per win in his contract. And most years I swear he must get docked pay for every minute he plays someone under 24 years old.

He's a great coach. But my concerns about him being a terrible coach for a rebuild all seem to be coming to fruition.

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Trade him like Boston traded Doc Rivers.

Hah, never thought about that but I'm sure we could get a decent haul for him. But no way Cuban trades Carlisle.

Great loss last night.

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Hah, never thought about that but I'm sure we could get a decent haul for him. But no way Cuban trades Carlisle.

Great loss last night.

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Would anyone really want to trade Carlisile? He is an amazing coach and I don't fault the players or coaches for trying to win. The direction needs to be coming from Cuban to play only young guys. You coaches and players should be trying to win in my opinion.

The Dirk draft story is nuts. Nellie wanted him all along, so much so that he was dang near trying to hide him from other teams. The Mavs had run a financial loss that year, but the opportunity to trade down 3 picks for $1 million and a #19 came along, and the $1 million would have been the difference between a profitable year and a loss. That cheap-ass Ross Perot Jr forced them to make the trade, so they moved down 3 picks. But they had to sweat out whether anyone (particularly Boston, who were interested in Dirk) would jump in front of them to grab Dirk in the meantime. Thankfully, no one did.

In the end, they flipped the #19 (Pat Garrity) for Steve Nash.

So they turned the #6 into Dirk, Nash, and the $1 million Perot wanted so badly. I'd call that a helluva trade, although they did take a risk.

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Hah, never thought about that but I'm sure we could get a decent haul for him. But no way Cuban trades Carlisle.

Great loss last night.

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Would anyone really want to trade Carlisile? He is an amazing coach and I don't fault the players or coaches for trying to win. The direction needs to be coming from Cuban to play only young guys. You coaches and players should be trying to win in my opinion.

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My issue is him not playing young guys major minutes, even if they play well in the few minutes they get. If he has veteran options, he is going to play them over young guys. This has been proven over and over again. This is awful for tanking and for developing young players, two things you want to do in rebuilding years.

Not saying I really want to trade him necessarily bc he is so good of a coach if we have a contending team. But he is definitely not meant for a rebuilding team.

Too bad in Cubans words he " put a ring on it" with coach Carlisle. Cuban probably wants Carlisle until the guy retires, but they need to accept the reality that a rebuild is on the horizon and tanking decides the winners and losers in the lottery in most years.

I think you're overestimating the number of young talented players that he could have and should have played over the years and how poorly the Mavs have tanked at the end of this season. They're 4-10 in their last 14 games, and at that point they were 3 games (I believe) out of the 8 seed with 18 games to go. They'll likely lose 3 of their last 4 for a 5-13 record over those 18 games, which is a winning percentage over those games worse than all but one team will finish this season with.

Even if he had lost all of those games he would have been in a coin flip for the 5th pick at the end of the season, they're still alive for the 7th pick and at worst in a coin flip for the 9th.

So you're criticizing him for not playing young bad/mediocre players when they were in playoff contention over the years, and for not being all-time inept over the last 18 games. If he operated the way you want him to operate he would have been fired by now. You don't dump one of the best coaches in the league because he doesn't lose as spectacularly as you want.

The last time he had a roster with young talented players worthy of significant playing time he was coaching the Pacers, and he played them extensively.

Carlisle's been on record with saying that this year's team is one of the most fun he's had in a long time (outside of the championship year of course), and he's never extensively played young players like he has this year. Yes, it's true that they now have numerous players under 30 so he's kinda forced to, but still

I don't have any issue with how Carlisle manages his roster and PT. One should consider that maybe he just has a far greater eye for talent (and lack of it) than us message board posters, so maybe some of these young guys don't play more because there is no point to it (and I'm speaking beyond just this season). As far as this season goes, they've managed to lose a lot of games down the stretch here, which will help that pick.

When I look around the league, I don't exactly find a lot of Carlisle discards that developed elsewhere.

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I think you're overestimating the number of young talented players that he could have and should have played over the years and how poorly the Mavs have tanked at the end of this season. They're 4-10 in their last 14 games, and at that point they were 3 games (I believe) out of the 8 seed with 18 games to go. They'll likely lose 3 of their last 4 for a 5-13 record over those 18 games, which is a winning percentage over those games worse than all but one team will finish this season with.

Even if he had lost all of those games he would have been in a coin flip for the 5th pick at the end of the season, they're still alive for the 7th pick and at worst in a coin flip for the 9th.

So you're criticizing him for not playing young bad/mediocre players when they were in playoff contention over the years, and for not being all-time inept over the last 18 games. If he operated the way you want him to operate he would have been fired by now. You don't dump one of the best coaches in the league because he doesn't lose as spectacularly as you want.

The last time he had a roster with young talented players worthy of significant playing time he was coaching the Pacers, and he played them extensively.

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I didn't say the Mavs were tanking poorly. My only negative comment was about the Milwaukee game, and I agreed with the other poster who said it was ridiculous to play Barnes 39 minutes and put everything into winning that game. I didn't want the Mavs to tank when it looked like we would be fighting for the 8th spot, but once it's clear we didn't have a shot, games like the Milwaukee game should be a loss. Luckily we have lost some since then (the Sacramento game was a great tank game).

But it's a well known fact that Carlisle does not like playing young players if he has older alternatives. I know we haven't had young studs in the past, but we have had plenty of guys that deserved to get more playing time based on what they had shown and he didn't give it to them. I'm talking about guys who could help the team win when we were contending for playoffs, etc. Hell, he didn't turn out to be much, but I remember Roddy B scoring 30+ points to beat the Spurs in a playoff game and then Carlisle barely played him at all the next game when we were eliminated. It was crazy. Other guys like Powell, Justin Anderson, etc don't seem to get many minutes while they were here. Even this year, I feel like he should be giving Noel alot more minutes than what he is getting, unless they are holding him back for injury reasons.

But like i said before, I think Carlisle is an awesome coach...he's clearly the second or third best in the league. So I don't want him going anywhere. I just have a few worries about how he will handle our team if we really are going to have a few rebuilding years.

Pop is ruining everything.

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Pop is ruining everything.

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Wins when he wants to win, loses only when he wants to- like tonight

He lost a game at home recently. Totally tanked it.

I stand corrected. The Pop tank grenade was a dud. Good job fellas

Tankathon update -curently 9th but tied in the loss column with Sac and Minn for 7th. Minn down by 4 to the Jazz right now mid-4th. Sac is up on the hapless Lakers early.

Gotta try to lose to the suns. Maybe that guy could score 50 points on us again.

A win against Phoenix would hurt. The pelicans, timberwolves, and kings all lost tonight.

What I'm saying is that there is a perception that he doesn't play young talented players when they deserve it, but you'd be hard pressed to find any that actually turned into established quality starters. A few have gone on to be decent/quality role players (Corey Brewer, Ian Mahinmi, Jae Crowder, Brandan Wright), but those guys also got pretty significant minutes with the Mavs.

For example: Roddy B never scored 30 in a playoff game. He scored 40 a month before the playoffs, upping the hype train full bore. Then he played in the playoffs, was relegated to limited minutes while backing up Jason Kidd and JJ Barea (key elements of the championship team the following year). In game 6 his workload was increased, he scored 16 points and the Mavs lost by 10 and were eliminated.

This was my point as well. I really don't see an issue with how he develops talent. Just throwing PT at young players for the sake of it is not development. And so far the proof is in the pudding.

Sac and Minn both lost last night. I was expecting a Sac win there.