I'm hearing that if the pick doesn't convey this year (there is no way that it will), then it converts into two second rounders. If that's true, this is a great deal for us. Thank you Colangelo for being a dumbass.

That makes it much better. I don't see any way we don't have a top 18 pick this year.

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I agree if you look at it in isolation. But with our roster situation and forecast for the next few years I don't understand the strategy here. Are we planning to add pieces around Noel through free agency? The guys we have now aren't championship-contender quality. We better hit our draft pick out of the park.

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Noel is only 22. We will sign him long term, so his window will be large. Yea, we will have to hit on some draft picks, but getting a stud 22 year old defensive big man for two second round picks and Andersen is a no brainer.

And several twitter guys have said that Anderson had locker room problems. I blame Carlisle for some of that bc he seems to never get along with young guys. I think Anderson has some potential. But either way, I love the trade.

Yeah, just heard it's really for the next two #2's. That makes this deal a slam dunk win.

Just in time for season ticket renewal. I am IN

AggieSportsGuy said:

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I agree if you look at it in isolation. But with our roster situation and forecast for the next few years I don't understand the strategy here. Are we planning to add pieces around Noel through free agency? The guys we have now aren't championship-contender quality. We better hit our draft pick out of the park.

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With the news that the pick will end up flipping to two seconds you have to be happy right? You don't get impact players in the second round so this really will be nerlins for Anderson.

Glad they got something for Bogut. Everyone knew the guy wasn't coming back and was a terrible fit here.

Looking at this from the other side, why is it a good deal for Philly?

This trade helps Philly clear their front court logjam and get something for Noel who they were unlikely to extend. They will try and move Bogut right away for picks/young players. Even if somehow that doesn't happen, Bogut is on an expiring contract, so no long term salary commitment. They add a young 2/3 to the rotation and at a minimum, have two more second round picks to use as trade chips or for projects.

They were going to lose Noel to free agency no matter what.


Now let's see what we do with Deron Williams. I think we could snag somebody's 2017 first round for him. Then we go out and snag one of the top pg's in the draft, of which there are a few.

Sucks that we couldn't trade Dwill. I guess he just used his veto power on every possible trade, knowing we would just cut him and then he could sign wherever he wanted? What a waste.

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Looking at this from the other side, why is it a good deal for Philly?

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It's not. Terrible deal for them. Anderson is a 3 & D guy who can't shoot. Not to mention that Anderson is older than Noel. They didn't want to pay Noel as a RFA and I assume that those 2, 2nd round picks were the best they could do.

Sounds like the Mavs are going to dump DWill as well. Unfortunately they could't work a deal for him. Will be a good chance to see if Yogi sticks in the league. Also a great stealth tanking move. DWill sometimes had a throwback game where he played too well. If Yogi plays a great game and the Mavs win it is harder to complain about than when your 32 year old PG does it.

I still hope we see some "injuries" in the last 20+ games. A top 5 pick + Barnes (way better than I thought he would be) + Noel can become a very interesting under 25 core of players.

Yeah, I really don't get this deal from the 76ers perspective. Two #2's and Justin Anderson is just awful value for Noel.

Deadline is 4pm I think?

From ESPN (who earlier this year decided we didn't need a dedicated "journalist" to cover us)


Tim MacMahonESPN Staff Writer
Source: Deron Williams "possibly" receiving a buyout from the Mavs. Dallas is preparing to hand point guard reins to rookie Yogi Ferrell.
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Deron Williams did not practice with the Mavs again today due to a "pending situation," as Rick Carlisle called it.

DannyDuberstein said:

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Yeah, I really don't get this deal from the 76ers perspective. Two #2's and Justin Anderson is just awful value for Noel.

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they got Bogut...

PatAg said:

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DannyDuberstein said:

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Yeah, I really don't get this deal from the 76ers perspective. Two #2's and Justin Anderson is just awful value for Noel.

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they got Bogut...

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As a short-term rental at a position that they are so deep in that they were ready to just throw away Noel. I think Bogut is mostly a throw-in/throw-away part of this deal.

Looks like we are going to potentially buy out or waive Deron.

I think the Sixers will try and move Bogut today. However, I could have sworn I read somewhere that Bogut's salary helps Philly meet the salary floor, so maybe they just keep him for the rest of the year.

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Looks like we are going to potentially buy out or waive Deron.

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But why? We don't need to clear roster space, so why not keep him the rest of the season? Is it just a matter of the bridge being burned, so we may as well just cut him now as a "friendly" gesture so he can sign with whoever he wants? Does this mean we'll call someone up from the D League?

Yes, as I mentioned above, knowing that it is essentially two 2nd's makes me think completely differently about this trade.

Avg age for our starting lineup on opening night: 31.2yrs old

Avg age for it now?....26.4 yrs old. And that's still with a 38yr old Dirk starting. And we still have our first rounder where we can draft a 19yr old starter. Or 1st or 2nd guy off the bench. That's a crazy swing for only 3/4 of a season

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Looks like we are going to potentially buy out or waive Deron.

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But why? We don't need to clear roster space, so why not keep him the rest of the season? Is it just a matter of the bridge being burned, so we may as well just cut him now as a "friendly" gesture so he can sign with whoever he wants? Does this mean we'll call someone up from the D League?

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We'd have Barea, Yogi, and Harris for PG's without Deron

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PatAg said:

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Looks like we are going to potentially buy out or waive Deron.

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But why? We don't need to clear roster space, so why not keep him the rest of the season? Is it just a matter of the bridge being burned, so we may as well just cut him now as a "friendly" gesture so he can sign with whoever he wants? Does this mean we'll call someone up from the D League?

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We'd have Barea, Yogi, and Harris for PG's without Deron

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Helps solidify the lottery.

So next year:

Rookie PG
Curry
Matthews
Barnes
Noel
With Dirk, Yogi, Barea, Powell and a modest new free agent off the bench?

With Carlisle, that's good enough for 7/8 seed potentiallly. Man it would be so epic if the ping pong balls bounced our way, and we were able to get Ball or Fultz. Maybe Dirk's good health won't last and we will get on a nice little losing streak.

A couple articles out there mention trade exceptions created in the deal. Can anyone confirm if they were for Dallas or Philly?

Dallas got a mid level I think.

Thanks!

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So next year:

Rookie PG
Curry
Matthews
Barnes
Noel
With Dirk, Yogi, Barea, Powell and a modest new free agent off the bench?

With Carlisle, that's good enough for 7/8 seed potentiallly. Man it would be so epic if the ping pong balls bounced our way, and we were able to get Ball or Fultz. Maybe Dirk's good health won't last and we will get on a nice little losing streak.

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I guess I am just asking because I don't know but when is the last time a team made the playoffs with a rookie point guard? Personally I don't see teams 1-7 in the West shifting around too much and there are teams 8-15 rising way faster than Dallas.

Yea I don't really see us making the playoffs next year if we don't sign a free agent. We are going to be in a weird spot again bc it would be great to get another top pick to go with our young core but we will be too good to get a top pick. I'm guessing we will be in the 7-10 seed range next year, with 9-10 being most likely. But if next year is dirk's last, I really hope we can make the playoffs.

Carlisle and a rookie PG are not exactly a good mix. for the biggest impact in 2018, I would think PG from FA and PF from the draft is their best bet. But we'll see. Leaning on Yogi like this is unusual for him so maybe he's a new man.

Unless there are some major changes in the landscape of the West, I would be shocked if the Mavs finished with a single digit seed next year.

DannyDuberstein said:

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Carlisle and a rookie PG are not exactly a good mix. for the biggest impact in 2018, I would think PG from FA and PF from the draft is their best bet. But we'll see. Leaning on Yogi like this is unusual for him so maybe he's a new man.

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You think a PF is a good choice in the draft? yikes

Noel looked pretty good, about what I thought he'd look like. Really like his attitude and demeanor though. Seems to really want to help the team and fit in.

I love watching this team.

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I love watching this team.

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****ing A. Who would've thought a year ago the nucleus of the future of this thing would be Harrison Barnes, Seth Curry and Nerlens Noel. Talk about an island of misfit toys