I think we all know what they'll do. They will try to compete but they won't mortgage the future to do it. If you define that as non-committal then prepare to be disappointed.

Houston stumbled into their rebuild. They made such horrible trades that it tanked the season. They got less for Harden than we did for Kawhi.

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I think because this rebuild does not include a #1 pick (or top 4 for that matter). That's the main difference. We've had the luxury of building our teams through the draft because we drafted particular players to fit with Tim. We don't have that luxury right now, and we can only draft so many #4-8+best players on a team. Otherwise it's just going to be perpetual.

If we can work out a trade for something like DJ and Lonnie with 3 firsts and two swaps I would consider it. I doubt Morey would like him but we can also consider them as DeMar destination. We have a lot of young guys right now that we can develop and we can get the majority of those picks we give up to align with the remaining 4 years of Simmons' contract.

All I'm saying is I want our front office to fully commit to competing or fully commit to rebuilding. This straddling of the two is just futile IMO.

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We've also always drafted our franchise cornerstone players (Robinson, Duncan, Kawhi before he *****ed out). I think 3 firsts is too much. I could do 2 firsts (preferably top 10 protected) and multiple second rounders and some combo of a couple young players.

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Yea. The FA market looks like it's going to be pretty dry. I don't get the Lauri interest. Yes he can space the floor but 1) We would have to overpay him for what he does and 2) Why sign him if the Spurs have confidence in Luka? (Maybe they don't. I sure don't.)

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I don't think Chicago wants to keep him. THey traded for Vucevic, have Thaddeus Young, and drafted Patrick Williams #4 last year. They are set for post/PF without Lauri. I am not sure the price will be super high for Lauri. For a ~12-18mm/year deal, he is a take. He hit 40% of his threes and 54% from the corner. He is a minus defender, but maybe that improves in a better system with better coaching.

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The problem is as much of a black hole as Demar was on defense, he was still a playmaker and was our go to guy at the end of the games. So even if we sign some of these FAs to fill up our cap space and we lose DeMar, who's to say we get better? And if we do, it will only be incremental and I put our ceiling as another play-in candidate getting another late lottery draft pick.

Maybe I'm being shortsighted, but I think we should go after Simmons. And if not, just play our young guys heavy mins all season (hoping one of them turns into a playmaker), get a decent draft pick and approach FA next season with some cap space. Hopefully we don't give Walker a ridiculous extension. He doesn't deserve White/DJ money.

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Absolutely, need to sign a playmaker in addition to Lauri or Portis. I don't think White/Murray are the answers there for the whole game.

I'm good with going after Simmons, but Simmons needs shooters around him, and we don't have shooters besides the rookies. Morey is asking for a star plus 7 draft picks/swaps and he can GTFO with that ***** White + a first or two maybe. Despite his defense and passing, he isn't ideal for most teams, and certainly not for how our team is set up right now.

PG FAs right now:

Dennis Scroeder (Thinks he's worth 100mm.)
Mike Conley (likely stay in Utah)
Kyle Lowry (Likely doesn't want to lead rebuilding)
Lonzo Ball (I think a great pick for us)
Spencer Dinwiddie (I think a great pick for us, plus owns a home in SA with his GF)
Elfrid Payton (Be a solid guard off the bench, but can't shoot)
Dennis Smith (I thought he would be better than he is. Still just under 24yo.)
TJ McConnell (Can't shoot, but fine for second team)
DeVonte' Graham (Probably #2 choice after Lonzo.)
Alex Caruso (Only NBA player better than Lonnie)

Finding a PG is rough right now. And we really need a starting and backup.

Everyone is sleeping on Walker and White. Walker was our best 3pt shooter last season and White was injured all year. When he plays he's a legit outside threat as well.

It's looking less and less likely that DeMar DeRozan will join the Lakers on a discount deal, says @JakeLFischer.

"It’s definitely starting to sound like the situation of him going to Los Angeles on the mid-level is not going to be the case."

Details: https://t.co/gESM6saxT1

— Alex Kennedy (@AlexKennedyNBA) August 1, 2021

I would think this would help in terms of us getting a sign and trade and getting something in return.

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Everyone is sleeping on Walker and White. Walker was our best 3pt shooter last season and White was injured all year. When he plays he's a legit outside threat as well.

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Walker was 4th best percentage wise on our team last year at 35.5% (not including Eubanks and Jones because of volume). That's not spectacular. That's not to mention the number of times he turns invisible and doesn't contribute a thing on offense and how he hasn't learned how to play team defense after three seasons. I hope I'm wrong but that guy just doesn't have it between the ears and he has major confidence issues.

I love White but he's slowly getting into the Anthony Davis 'yea, but if he wasn't injured' category.

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It's looking less and less likely that DeMar DeRozan will join the Lakers on a discount deal, says @JakeLFischer.

"It’s definitely starting to sound like the situation of him going to Los Angeles on the mid-level is not going to be the case."

Details: https://t.co/gESM6saxT1

— Alex Kennedy (@AlexKennedyNBA) August 1, 2021

I would think this would help in terms of us getting a sign and trade and getting something in return.

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Yea I mentioned it earlier. So far the most prominent team ive seen is the Clippers. Not too hot on a Luke Kennard/Zubac combo. I guess we will see.

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Everyone is sleeping on Walker and White. Walker was our best 3pt shooter last season and White was injured all year. When he plays he's a legit outside threat as well.

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Walker was 4th best percentage wise on our team last year at 35.5% (not including Eubanks and Jones because of volume). That's not spectacular. That's not to mention the number of times he turns invisible and doesn't contribute a thing on offense and how he hasn't learned how to play team defense after three seasons. I hope I'm wrong but that guy just doesn't have it between the ears and he has major confidence issues.

I love White but he's slowly getting into the Anthony Davis 'yea, but if he wasn't injured' category.

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White has had one injury-plagued season. Davis has had what? 5?

I watched almost every game last season and Walker was our most reliable 3pt shooter outside of Patty. His eFG has improved every season. All these young guys have an upward trajectory. I don't know how you can give up on any of them.

Enzo The Baker said:

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It's looking less and less likely that DeMar DeRozan will join the Lakers on a discount deal, says @JakeLFischer.

"It’s definitely starting to sound like the situation of him going to Los Angeles on the mid-level is not going to be the case."

Details: https://t.co/gESM6saxT1

— Alex Kennedy (@AlexKennedyNBA) August 1, 2021

I would think this would help in terms of us getting a sign and trade and getting something in return.

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Yea I mentioned it earlier. So far the most prominent team ive seen is the Clippers. Not too hot on a Luke Kennard/Zubac combo. I guess we will see.

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If Morey wasn't in charge in Philly, then I'd think a S&T Derozan for Simmons would be the starting point for a deal. Philly is desperately in need of the exact skillset DD brings to the table. Unfortunately, Morey has his 3pters and layups uber analytics mindset.

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Agree to disagree on Walker. His 3p% took a pretty significant dip (albeit at a higher volume). He has all of the physical gifts in the world. I just think he's weak mentally and his defense (given his athleticism) leaves a lot to be desired.

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If Morey wasn't in charge in Philly, then I'd think a S&T Derozan for Simmons would be the starting point for a deal. Philly is desperately in need of the exact skillset DD brings to the table. Unfortunately, Morey has his 3pters and layups uber analytics mindset.

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Agreed. I think he'd be a great creator/distributor for that team. Unfortunate that Morey (Morey ball) and Doc (defensive coach) are there.


Edit on Walker: I hope he proves me wrong and that things click for him better in his contract year.

Among the interesting vet names on the Spurs' Summer League roster: Skal Labissiere, a former first-round pick who spent parts of five seasons with Sacramento and Portland.

— Jeff McDonald (@JMcDonald_SAEN) August 1, 2021

Spurs release 2021 Summer League team #nba #gospursgo pic.twitter.com/yveAwN6SQX

— JeffGSpursZone (@JeffGSpursZone) August 1, 2021

Portland isn't extending the $7M qualifying offer to Zach Collins, officially making him a free agent, source tells ESPN.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) August 1, 2021

I'd honestly like to take a swing a Collins over Lauri. Short term deal would be ideal.

The Spurs "young core" isn't all that young anymore. Next year will be Murray's 6th season at 25, White's 5th season at 27, and Walker's 4th season at 22.

Samanic, Vassell, and Keldon Johnson may well have some upside, but if White/Murray make a leap it will count as late development. Great if they do, but it would be pretty dumb to make roster decisions based on those guys being anything other than what they already are. Walker might put the pieces together, but even that looks more like a third option or sixth man than a lead scorer or playmaker.

The Spurs are loaded with guys who can be the third to eighth best guy on a good team. No one who can be first or second. I don't think Simmons fixes that, and he's not a good fit with this team either. There's no one for him to run PnR with and we don't have good shooters.

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The Spurs "young core" isn't all that young anymore. Next year will be Murray's 6th season at 25, White's 5th season at 27, and Walker's 4th season at 22.

Samanic, Vassell, and Keldon Johnson may well have some upside, but if White/Murray make a leap it will count as late development. Great if they do, but it would be pretty dumb to make roster decisions based on those guys being anything other than what they already are. Walker might put the pieces together, but even that looks more like a third option or sixth man than a lead scorer or playmaker.

The Spurs are loaded with guys who can be the third to eighth best guy on a good team. No one who can be first or second. I don't think Simmons fixes that, and he's not a good fit with this team either. There's no one for him to run PnR with and we don't have good shooters.

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Yeah Murray and White are vets at this point. They should be filling that role so the team can move on from the DD, Gay and Mills Trio. I disagree that they are done developing though. White in particular looked to jump a level this season before he broke his toe. Plus they are both great defenders. You can win with that back court.

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Among the interesting vet names on the Spurs' Summer League roster: Skal Labissiere, a former first-round pick who spent parts of five seasons with Sacramento and Portland.

— Jeff McDonald (@JMcDonald_SAEN) August 1, 2021

Spurs release 2021 Summer League team #nba #gospursgo pic.twitter.com/yveAwN6SQX

— JeffGSpursZone (@JeffGSpursZone) August 1, 2021

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Justin Robinson, son of David Robinson, will also join the Spurs Summer League team. He will be wearing #50 https://t.co/FNzQNaTamH

— Ty Jäger (@TheTyJager) August 1, 2021

In addition to its increasingly promising pursuit of Kyle Lowry, Miami has been exploring pathways for acquiring Lowry's former teammate and free agent-to-be DeMar DeRozan as well, league sources say.

More NBA from me: https://t.co/A6ycVm5PUQ

— Marc Stein (@TheSteinLine) August 1, 2021

Anything interesting we could get in a sign and trade with Miami?

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In addition to its increasingly promising pursuit of Kyle Lowry, Miami has been exploring pathways for acquiring Lowry's former teammate and free agent-to-be DeMar DeRozan as well, league sources say.

More NBA from me: https://t.co/A6ycVm5PUQ

— Marc Stein (@TheSteinLine) August 1, 2021

Anything interesting we could get in a sign and trade with Miami?

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The Spurs "young core" isn't all that young anymore. Next year will be Murray's 6th season at 25, White's 5th season at 27, and Walker's 4th season at 22.

Samanic, Vassell, and Keldon Johnson may well have some upside, but if White/Murray make a leap it will count as late development. Great if they do, but it would be pretty dumb to make roster decisions based on those guys being anything other than what they already are. Walker might put the pieces together, but even that looks more like a third option or sixth man than a lead scorer or playmaker.

The Spurs are loaded with guys who can be the third to eighth best guy on a good team. No one who can be first or second. I don't think Simmons fixes that, and he's not a good fit with this team either. There's no one for him to run PnR with and we don't have good shooters.

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Yeah Murray and White are vets at this point. They should be filling that role so the team can move on from the DD, Gay and Mills Trio. I disagree that they are done developing though. White in particular looked to jump a level this season before he broke his toe. Plus they are both great defenders. You can win with that back court.

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West Texan said:

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In addition to its increasingly promising pursuit of Kyle Lowry, Miami has been exploring pathways for acquiring Lowry's former teammate and free agent-to-be DeMar DeRozan as well, league sources say.

More NBA from me: https://t.co/A6ycVm5PUQ

— Marc Stein (@TheSteinLine) August 1, 2021

Anything interesting we could get in a sign and trade with Miami?

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Yea. The FA market looks like it's going to be pretty dry. I don't get the Lauri interest. Yes he can space the floor but 1) We would have to overpay him for what he does and 2) Why sign him if the Spurs have confidence in Luka? (Maybe they don't. I sure don't.)

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I don't think Chicago wants to keep him. THey traded for Vucevic, have Thaddeus Young, and drafted Patrick Williams #4 last year. They are set for post/PF without Lauri. I am not sure the price will be super high for Lauri. For a ~12-18mm/year deal, he is a take. He hit 40% of his threes and 54% from the corner. He is a minus defender, but maybe that improves in a better system with better coaching.

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The problem is as much of a black hole as Demar was on defense, he was still a playmaker and was our go to guy at the end of the games. So even if we sign some of these FAs to fill up our cap space and we lose DeMar, who's to say we get better? And if we do, it will only be incremental and I put our ceiling as another play-in candidate getting another late lottery draft pick.

Maybe I'm being shortsighted, but I think we should go after Simmons. And if not, just play our young guys heavy mins all season (hoping one of them turns into a playmaker), get a decent draft pick and approach FA next season with some cap space. Hopefully we don't give Walker a ridiculous extension. He doesn't deserve White/DJ money.

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Absolutely, need to sign a playmaker in addition to Lauri or Portis. I don't think White/Murray are the answers there for the whole game.

I'm good with going after Simmons, but Simmons needs shooters around him, and we don't have shooters besides the rookies. Morey is asking for a star plus 7 draft picks/swaps and he can GTFO with that ***** White + a first or two maybe. Despite his defense and passing, he isn't ideal for most teams, and certainly not for how our team is set up right now.

PG FAs right now:

Dennis Scroeder (Thinks he's worth 100mm.)
Mike Conley (likely stay in Utah)
Kyle Lowry (Likely doesn't want to lead rebuilding)
Lonzo Ball (I think a great pick for us)
Spencer Dinwiddie (I think a great pick for us, plus owns a home in SA with his GF)
Elfrid Payton (Be a solid guard off the bench, but can't shoot)
Dennis Smith (I thought he would be better than he is. Still just under 24yo.)
TJ McConnell (Can't shoot, but fine for second team)
DeVonte' Graham (Probably #2 choice after Lonzo.)
Alex Caruso (Only NBA player better than Lonnie)

Finding a PG is rough right now. And we really need a starting and backup.

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The Hornets have extended a qualifying offer to Devonte' Graham, making him a restricted free agent.

— Paul Garcia (@PaulGarciaNBA) August 1, 2021

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In addition to its increasingly promising pursuit of Kyle Lowry, Miami has been exploring pathways for acquiring Lowry's former teammate and free agent-to-be DeMar DeRozan as well, league sources say.

More NBA from me: https://t.co/A6ycVm5PUQ

— Marc Stein (@TheSteinLine) August 1, 2021

Anything interesting we could get in a sign and trade with Miami?

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I think one would have to take the MLE. Dragic would be traded to one of the teams. As Soup mentioned I think Duncan Robinson S&T would be their only other avenue given they just did not pick up Iggy's option. Dragic and a 1st? I'd be on board.

Add Jarrett Allen to the list:

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Among the free agents the Spurs are expected to investigate are Golden State wing Kelly Oubre Jr., Atlanta big man John Collins, Chicago forward Lauri Markkanen, Cleveland center Jarrett Allen and Portland forward Zach Collins.

John Collins, Markkanen and Allen are restricted free agents, giving their current teams the right to match outside contract offers.

The Hawks are expected to make a strong play to retain Collins after their surprise run to the Eastern Conference finals.

Markkanen and Allen are deemed more gettable. The Spurs also could use their cap space to work a sign-and-trade perhaps involving DeRozan for either player.

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https://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/DeMar-DeRozan-s-free-agency-choice-will-shape-16356234.php?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=socialflow

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Yea. The FA market looks like it's going to be pretty dry. I don't get the Lauri interest. Yes he can space the floor but 1) We would have to overpay him for what he does and 2) Why sign him if the Spurs have confidence in Luka? (Maybe they don't. I sure don't.)

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I don't think Chicago wants to keep him. THey traded for Vucevic, have Thaddeus Young, and drafted Patrick Williams #4 last year. They are set for post/PF without Lauri. I am not sure the price will be super high for Lauri. For a ~12-18mm/year deal, he is a take. He hit 40% of his threes and 54% from the corner. He is a minus defender, but maybe that improves in a better system with better coaching.

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The problem is as much of a black hole as Demar was on defense, he was still a playmaker and was our go to guy at the end of the games. So even if we sign some of these FAs to fill up our cap space and we lose DeMar, who's to say we get better? And if we do, it will only be incremental and I put our ceiling as another play-in candidate getting another late lottery draft pick.

Maybe I'm being shortsighted, but I think we should go after Simmons. And if not, just play our young guys heavy mins all season (hoping one of them turns into a playmaker), get a decent draft pick and approach FA next season with some cap space. Hopefully we don't give Walker a ridiculous extension. He doesn't deserve White/DJ money.

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Absolutely, need to sign a playmaker in addition to Lauri or Portis. I don't think White/Murray are the answers there for the whole game.

I'm good with going after Simmons, but Simmons needs shooters around him, and we don't have shooters besides the rookies. Morey is asking for a star plus 7 draft picks/swaps and he can GTFO with that ***** White + a first or two maybe. Despite his defense and passing, he isn't ideal for most teams, and certainly not for how our team is set up right now.

PG FAs right now:

Dennis Scroeder (Thinks he's worth 100mm.)
Mike Conley (likely stay in Utah)
Kyle Lowry (Likely doesn't want to lead rebuilding)
Lonzo Ball (I think a great pick for us)
Spencer Dinwiddie (I think a great pick for us, plus owns a home in SA with his GF)
Elfrid Payton (Be a solid guard off the bench, but can't shoot)
Dennis Smith (I thought he would be better than he is. Still just under 24yo.)
TJ McConnell (Can't shoot, but fine for second team)
DeVonte' Graham (Probably #2 choice after Lonzo.)
Alex Caruso (Only NBA player better than Lonnie)

Finding a PG is rough right now. And we really need a starting and backup.

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— Paul Garcia (@PaulGarciaNBA) August 1, 2021

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Yeah, his QO isn't that much, but they have Rozier and LaMelo. They probably aren't paying him a bunch to be third string PG

Could he play PF?

Kawhi Leonard has declined his $36M player option for next season and becomes a free agent, as first reported by Yahoo Sports and confirmed by ESPN.

The expectation is that Leonard will negotiate a new deal to stay with Clippers. pic.twitter.com/foj7S6O5JV

— SportsCenter (@SportsCenter) August 1, 2021

Per Woj

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The Miami Heat are positioning themselves to become front-runners to land Kyle Lowry in a sign-and-trade agreement once discussions are permitted to begin with the opening of NBA free agency on Monday, sources told ESPN.

Lowry has long been intrigued with joining Heat star Jimmy Butler and the Miami organization, and now Miami has maneuvered to have two key elements of a possible sign-and-trade package -- guard Goran Dragic and forward Precious Achiuwa -- to offer the Raptors once talks can ensue at 6 p.m. ET on Monday, sources said.

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Could he play PF?

Kawhi Leonard has declined his $36M player option for next season and becomes a free agent, as first reported by Yahoo Sports and confirmed by ESPN.

The expectation is that Leonard will negotiate a new deal to stay with Clippers. pic.twitter.com/foj7S6O5JV

— SportsCenter (@SportsCenter) August 1, 2021

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He's willing to listen to other teams.

Sign Kawhi.
Let him rest all year.
Have Joe Wieskamp's dad (a physical therapist) work with him.
Grab a Top 4 draft pick.
20 more years of championship contention.

So he's going to miss the whole year and yet he still opted out. Dude has balls.

I admit my immediate reaction to our draft pick was a little bit hasty.

But if the below is true, I don't know that to say.

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The San Antonio Spurs have the second-most cap space in the league heading into Monday's free agency tipoff and it's time for them to start using it. According to John Hollinger of The Athletic (subscription required), 6-8 Chicago Bulls center Daniel Theis is one name to look out for.

Calling Theis the "most prominent" target of the Spurs he's heard of so far, Hollinger also admits there aren't many rumblings coming from the San Antonio camp, which is par for the course.

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I admit my immediate reaction to our draft pick was a little bit hasty.

But if the below is true, I don't know that to say.

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The San Antonio Spurs have the second-most cap space in the league heading into Monday's free agency tipoff and it's time for them to start using it. According to John Hollinger of The Athletic (subscription required), 6-8 Chicago Bulls center Daniel Theis is one name to look out for.

Calling Theis the "most prominent" target of the Spurs he's heard of so far, Hollinger also admits there aren't many rumblings coming from the San Antonio camp, which is par for the course.

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Am told DeRozan would have Heat interest if money can be solved (big if). He and former teammate Lowry have very good relationship. A bit difficult to imagine player who averaged 21.6 points and 6.9 rebounds needing to take $9.5 M, though @johnhollinger has noted talk of that.

— Barry Jackson (@flasportsbuzz) August 2, 2021

We're about to lose DeMar for nothing.

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I admit my immediate reaction to our draft pick was a little bit hasty.

But if the below is true, I don't know that to say.

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The San Antonio Spurs have the second-most cap space in the league heading into Monday's free agency tipoff and it's time for them to start using it. According to John Hollinger of The Athletic (subscription required), 6-8 Chicago Bulls center Daniel Theis is one name to look out for.

Calling Theis the "most prominent" target of the Spurs he's heard of so far, Hollinger also admits there aren't many rumblings coming from the San Antonio camp, which is par for the course.

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I'm not expecting a big splash by the Spurs. That being said, any "leaks" have to be questioned as well. It would almost exclusively be agents giving their side.

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Am told DeRozan would have Heat interest if money can be solved (big if). He and former teammate Lowry have very good relationship. A bit difficult to imagine player who averaged 21.6 points and 6.9 rebounds needing to take $9.5 M, though @johnhollinger has noted talk of that.

— Barry Jackson (@flasportsbuzz) August 2, 2021

We're about to lose DeMar for nothing.

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There have been reports that he won't be taking the MLE. I think that may have been in regards to him taking a hometown discount to go to the Lakers. But I'm guessing if he really wants Miami, it'll be thru S&T. Hopefully for Duncan Robinson

Yea, I've also seen reports that Miami and Lowry are okay if DeMar doesn't come as well. I don't see Miami giving up Robinson. They'd be more likely to let DeMar walk IMO. If DeMar does take the MLE, Miami can retain Robinson as well.

Also, NYK and DAL could just straight up sign him too. I think he'd be a major upgrade over Tim Hardaway Jr., outside of the three point shooting. Or the Spurs could just keep him. I wouldn't be surprised if we offered him at least $20MM a year. I hope that all parties just move on though.