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What percentage of people still actually think it makes any sense for umps to still be calling balls and strikes? This ump is ****ing awful for both teams. It's quite possibly the dumbest thing still in existence in modern sports.
Ump is turrible.
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What percentage of people still actually think it makes any sense for umps to still be calling balls and strikes? This ump is ****ing awful for both teams. It's quite possibly the dumbest thing still in existence in modern sports.
Like rampant holding no-calls in SEC?
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What percentage of people still actually think it makes any sense for umps to still be calling balls and strikes? This ump is ****ing awful for both teams. It's quite possibly the dumbest thing still in existence in modern sports.
Like rampant holding no-calls in SEC?
If they can find a way for robots to accurately call holding, then they should absolutely take it out of the ref's control.
Technology knows exactly whether a pitch is in the strike zone or not every single time without error. It's ****ing ridiculous to have a human judging whether a 100mph ball hits the corner of a strike zone or not.
Zone has been the same for both sides. Both pitchers being left-handed will get late breaks that look out of the zone. Kershaw's 11Ks through 6 innings aren't because of a few borderline pitches.
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And it's not like Keuchel wasn't benefitting from it as well... If he's been calling stuff a little off the plate, at least it's been going both ways
What does this have to do with getting the calls right?
Why, yes, I would like to see Jansen vs the Astros top of lineup.
Well that was a proper owning.
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You really want to make the game uniform? The human element is what makes baseball special. Each umpire has their own zone. There are analytics on umpires, it's not like the players don't know or study those. They can disagree with the call but it the umpire is calling it both ways and calling the same zone the entire night, it's hard to say that he is "wrong"...
Game 2...no Astros sweep...
ML should be tight with Verlander v. Hill.
ML should be tight with Verlander v. Hill.
We're talking 4-5, maybe 7 borderline pitches.
2 hours and 28 minutes?
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WE NEED ROBOTS IN BASEBALL!!!
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You really want to make the game uniform? The human element is what makes baseball special. Each umpire has their own zone. There are analytics on umpires, it's not like the players don't know or study those. They can disagree with the call but it the umpire is calling it both ways and calling the same zone the entire night, it's hard to say that he is "wrong"...
Yes, it's wrong based on the rule as to what strikes and balls are. The human element belongs to the players, not those charged with officiating the game.
It's like you'd be fine with allowing football refs each having a different call of what a touchdown is.
Looking forward to a bounce back from the bats tomorrow.
Umpire was awful for both teams tonight. Rung up altuve on ball 4 at his shin. Kershaw doesn't get a call on springer but the exact same pitch exact same location gets called a strike for kershaw against bregman in the next at bat. Ball 4 on keuchel's only walk had been called a strike several times that night, would have been strike 3 and out of the inning if called consistently. Instead Turner gets the game winning homerun in the next at bat.
I'm not saying the Astros would have won if the zone was perfect, but it sure as hell affected the game for both teams in negative ways. That umpire was anything but consistent tonight.
I'm not saying the Astros would have won if the zone was perfect, but it sure as hell affected the game for both teams in negative ways. That umpire was anything but consistent tonight.
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Umpire was awful for both teams tonight. Rung up altuve on ball 4 at his shin. Kershaw doesn't get a call on springer but the exact same pitch exact same location gets called a strike for kershaw against bregman in the next at bat. Ball 4 on keuchel's only walk had been called a strike several times that night, would have been strike 3 and out of the inning if called consistently. Instead Turner gets the game winning homerun in the next at bat.
I'm not saying the Astros would have won if the zone was perfect, but it sure as hell affected the game for both teams in negative ways. That umpire was anything but consistent tonight.
This. Anyone who says differently is a buffoon. Yes, you, DodgerAg. There were multiple pitches in the same spot that were called differently. It was poor both ways. It has nothing to do with each ump's strike zone. It's also not their fault. As I said, they're a human trying to judge whether a ball going 70-100 mph with late movement hits an invisible strike zone.
Saying it's the human element of the game is so ridiculous it's hard to believe people actually defend that. The human element is the players playing the game. If you want to start up a league where you watch umpires face off guessing whether a ball hits the strike zone or not, go for it. Sounds like a blast.
**** the Dodgers
Kershaw's stat line: 7IP, 11Ks, 0BB, 3H, 1ER (and four bad pitch calls)
One thing about the WS I'm not digging is the constant commercials and the jamming so many commercials into one break they're coming back after the first pitch of the new inning.
I get it that advertising is the big money maker and sponsors and all that, but when it starts interrupting the coverage of the game it's a bit much.
I get it that advertising is the big money maker and sponsors and all that, but when it starts interrupting the coverage of the game it's a bit much.
Yeah, when they come back from a commercial as the pitcher is mid-windup...it's a bit annoying. The in-game ads suck, too.
You had a historically short game following historically long games in the LCS. Maybe it sort itself out if the games start going longer.
I did like the commercial between pitches.
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Jeez, I would hate being so angry all the time like you... Hope it makes you feel better to ***** on TexAgs about 4 or 5 pitches in an entire game.
Ball 4 to Taylor was a ball off the plate. But instead of complaining about the fact that Keuchel went back up and in to Turner, after the Yankees proved last week that didn't work, being the difference in the game, we are complaining about umpires. When in doubt, blame the umpires, I guess...
It baffles me that people can't accept that last night was a great pitchers duel in which one starter made one more mistake than the other and it ended up being the difference in the game. It just as easily could have been Kershaw serving up a homer instead of Keuchel. And if that had been the case and the Dodgers lost, you sure as hell wouldn't have seen me complaining about balls and strikes on here...
Ball 4 to Taylor was a ball off the plate. But instead of complaining about the fact that Keuchel went back up and in to Turner, after the Yankees proved last week that didn't work, being the difference in the game, we are complaining about umpires. When in doubt, blame the umpires, I guess...
It baffles me that people can't accept that last night was a great pitchers duel in which one starter made one more mistake than the other and it ended up being the difference in the game. It just as easily could have been Kershaw serving up a homer instead of Keuchel. And if that had been the case and the Dodgers lost, you sure as hell wouldn't have seen me complaining about balls and strikes on here...
You can't argue that the Altuve SO wasn't a big deal. It was the AB after the Bregman homerun and walking the batter after the HR might have gotten into Kreshaw's head.
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And I won't. I think that was the only at bat of the evening that the umpiring was bad. We'll never know if that call changed the entire game. Fact of the matter is Houston had 5 more at-bats and did nothing with them. Altuve's KL was not the main thing the game hinged on.
I guess you ignored all of my post?
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When you only provide cases that would've helped the Astros, then yeah I'm going to ignore you. Plus, you were blatantly wrong about ball four of the walk. That was a ball off the plate and had been a ball all night. Jeez. Don't act like Keuchel didn't benefit as well... Hell, on the pitch before Turner's homer, Keuchel got a strike call that was outside of the super imposed strike zone on TV...
You're right on here. I don't harp on umpires and whine about balls and strikes like it's some great travesty.
In the moment and during the games bltching about balls and strikes is excusable and pretty common, but afterwards it's pointless and petty.
In the end over the course of the game it all evens out and there's not one team that greatly benefits more than the other. It's human error and it's part of the game. You win some and lose some and they don't typically have a bearing on the outcome of the game (as was the case last night).
In the moment and during the games bltching about balls and strikes is excusable and pretty common, but afterwards it's pointless and petty.
In the end over the course of the game it all evens out and there's not one team that greatly benefits more than the other. It's human error and it's part of the game. You win some and lose some and they don't typically have a bearing on the outcome of the game (as was the case last night).
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