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If the frog had male parts...


- Astros 1B finishes play at first before Seager HR

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It was a walk before the HR. You may be thinking of the bad throw from Bregman that Yuli should have picked up, but that was the next inning and didn't hurt.

Correct!

Pahdz said:

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Are you talking about the play where there was zero chance Yuli was gonna run and Puig was making a courtesy show off my arm throw back in?

If so, dude you're reaching

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Plays like that can be reasons why you lose games

Sure he was confident he wouldn't run, but if he was 10 feet further back, he would probably still candy ass it, and that may make the difference

It all boils down to the fact that he was probably abused as a child and it's why he keeps licking baseball bats like a freak

Puig has the maturity of a 12 year old.


That said, I respect the hell out of what he said about Correa's batflip.

As long as it's not aimed at the opposing team I think it's all good.

It may have been a different story if Correa rounds first and looks at Puig with his tongue out screaming.

You can tell that these are two teams who want it BAD. That's one thing I think is great about this series. No matter what one team that is due for a championship is gonna get one.

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You can tell that these are two teams who want it BAD

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Please list all the world series participants that didn't want it BAD

Touche...But I think you know what I mean.

Kinda like last year. Both those teams were due. Same applies this year.

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Touche...But I think you know what I mean.

Kinda like last year. Both those teams were due. Same applies this year.

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it's non-predictive emotional response. It's a cool narrative, don't get me wrong...but being "due" is just some arbitrary measuring stick to give something more meaning that it needs to have.

I'm not trying to be insulting by saying this or take anything away...but Houston winning the World Series won't really have anything to do with Houston, if that makes sense. It will be the coronation of the analytic movement and forward thinking GMs as viable and having that be more widely accepted. (it's not that not accepted...but even the old crusty guys will have to give the nod to what Houston did).

It would have been a different vibe if they won in '05.

(to be completely fair...if not for the 108 thing for the Cubs, it would have the same thing)

We'll just have to disagree.

There's way more meaning to say this Houston team or the Cubs last year, or the Red Sox in whatever year they broke the curse than say the Yankees winning one of 27 WS titles. Look at the Cleveland Cavs finally winning a championship as another example.

It symbolizes more than just a championship and it's more than just an arbitrary measuring stick.

I'm convinced championships mean more to fans who's teams have never won one than they do to fans of teams who expect to win them.

Do I think that has any bearing on the outcome of the games? No not really, but I think it does have a ton to do with the emotion the players have and show. They feel it. They know how much it would mean to Houston finally win one or LA to finally get back to where they once were.

I think even the hardest hard core analytic focused front office folks would have to admit that there is still a "human element" to baseball.

And science confirms physical performance is effected by emotion and all the adrenaline and stuff that comes with it.

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No not really, but I think it does have a ton to do with the emotion the players have and show. They feel it. They know how much it would mean to Houston finally win one or LA to finally get back to where they once were.

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I think it's even less nowadays. Everyones a mercenary. Sure, everyone will find some connection to have so it sounds good in an interview, but the truth is that all that stuff is fan stuff. All the Cubs who won last year have no intrinsic connection to the history of the Cubs.

The emotion they show is because they reached the top of the mountain...not because of some fan narrative about a franchise. They know it's a business. Don't let the sound bites fool you.

Yah, but this team has a connection to each other

That's what makes them so loveable

Even when they didn't win last year, you couldn't help but like the team, because they played for each other, especially once Gomez left

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No not really, but I think it does have a ton to do with the emotion the players have and show. They feel it. They know how much it would mean to Houston finally win one or LA to finally get back to where they once were.

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I think it's even less nowadays. Everyones a mercenary. Sure, everyone will find some connection to have so it sounds good in an interview, but the truth is that all that stuff is fan stuff. All the Cubs who won last year have no intrinsic connection to the history of the Cubs.

The emotion they show is because they reached the top of the mountain...not because of some fan narrative about a franchise. They know it's a business. Don't let the sound bites fool you.

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Do you know any professional athletes reasonably well? Their families?

Like you, I don't mean to be insulting, but don't let the big salaries and free agency fool you into thinking they're just robots.

Its funny you brought up the Cubs. I know several guys, and their families, who either played for the Cubs, they've played at Wrigley against the Cubs, or even both ways.

They all have spoke about experience with awe and emotion. These guys might not have grown up with any particular feelings towards the Cubs, but they all know and understand the history and the magnitude of stepping out on the grass on a cool, windy north side Chicago afternoon. And they all have talked about the effect it had on them by performing well in that atmosphere, or performing not-so-well in that atmosphere.

They definitely understood and were connected to the greater context. I can't speak for athletes I don't know, but I don't have any reason to believe the guys I know are unique in this way.

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Yah, but this team has a connection to each other

That's what makes them so loveable

Even when they didn't win last year, you couldn't help but like the team, because they played for each other, especially once Gomez left

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Everyone says this about their team. Somehow, everyone thinks that the team they root for is somehow the exception.

Edit: the funny thing is hearing everyone say that when you are destroying the league. It's all everyone heard about in 2016 with the Cubs. Then first half 2017 happened and no one talked about that anymore.

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Like you, I don't mean to be insulting, but don't let the big salaries and free agency fool you into thinking they're just robots.

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I never said they were robots. I said that they were excited because it was a culmination of their own lifes work. All the sacrifices they made for baseball were validated in an instant. I will give you this: inside of every profession baseball player who has to deal with free agency and money, there's a little boy who loves to play baseball and win. that's the emotion you see on the field...not some civic pride that you project onto them.

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Its funny you brought up the Cubs. I know several guys, and their families, who either played for the Cubs, they've played at Wrigley against the Cubs, or even both ways.

They all have spoke about experience with awe and emotion. These guys might not have grown up with any particular feelings towards the Cubs, but they all know and understand the history and the magnitude of stepping out on the grass on a cool, windy north side Chicago afternoon. And they all have talked about the effect it had on them by performing well in that atmosphere, or performing not-so-well in that atmosphere.

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What do you expect them to tell you? I mean, I expect Kris Bryant to appreciate what he accomplished last year based on it's historical significance, but I also hope the emotion he felt was purely his own based on this life and the sacrifices he made. I also don't need him to somehow embody all of Cub-dom and extrapolate his accomplishment beyond anything it is. He won the World Series in 2016. The futility of the franchise has no bearing on him nor should it.

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They definitely understood and were connected to the greater context. I can't speak for athletes I don't know, but I don't have any reason to believe the guys I know are unique in this way.

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You can't say that you can't speak for athletes and then speak for them.

It's ok to be excited for you team and love their accomplishments and be excited for your city. No ones going to take the title away. I just think you're kidding yourselves with all this team love nonsense. It's a talking point.

Lineups are posted

I thought Utley would be DH...

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What do you expect them to tell you?

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Oh. You think I've heard this because I walked up to guys I know and said "tell me about how you felt when you played at Wrigley Field?" You think I've heard this because I walked up to guys and said "tell me if you felt civic pride during your career?"

You think they were afraid to slight Chicago in front of a guy from Arlington, Texas?

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You can't say that you can't speak for athletes and then speak for them.

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But I can say I can't speak for athletes I don't know and then speak for athletes I do know. If you have a reason why the guys I know are different, I'm not meaning to rule that out.

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I expect Kris Bryant to appreciate what he accomplished last year based on it's historical significance, but I also hope the emotion he felt was purely his own based on this life and the sacrifices he made. I also don't need him to somehow embody all of Cub-dom and extrapolate his accomplishment beyond anything it is. He won the World Series in 2016. The futility of the franchise has no bearing on him nor should it.

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Well, I imagine their emotions aren't based on what you expect, what you hope, what you need, and what you think they should be.

I don't know Kris Bryant but any civic pride projected unto him is not anymore a projection than your projection that he has no civic pride.

Bye bye,Yu

Yu suck

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I don't know Kris Bryant but any civic pride projected unto him is not anymore a projection than your projection that he has no civic pride.

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It's not that I project that he has none, it's that I don't need him to nor do I think any differently about team if he does or does not.

All that said, your team is mashing in the World Series. It's a fun time to be a Houstonian.

You've definitely projected that his civic pride is a made up talking point and I'm not a Houstonian or an Astros fan.

Enjoy watching some of their players but I wasn't trying to make myself feel good.

They're definitely mashing tonight and I loved watching overrated Yu get pulled.

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You've definitely projected that his civic pride is a made up talking point

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This makes no sense.

Anyway. Dodgers will be kicking themselves if they come up a few short.

You've said several times "it's all talk."

Dodgers just need to get several clean innings from Maeda and scratch and claw at the plate.

Wowowowowosowowoosos

TXAggie2011 said:

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Dodgers just need to get several clean innings from Maeda and scratch and claw at the plate.

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Check, and.....

...pitching change.

Dodgers are fighting and at least got to the pen but having to fight is the issue.

I predict a meltdown...