Bunk Moreland said:

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Luke The Drifter said:

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Bunk Moreland said:

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Luke The Drifter said:

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The sooner y'all realize Buzz is the best A&M will ever get, the better off you'll all be. Considering how awful A&M is at basketball NIL, facilities, fan support, and everything that's required to build a winning program, it's really pretty miraculous that Buzz (and Kennedy, and Turge, and BCG) have had the success they've had.

We are not Duke and never will be. Until our fans get as serious about basketball NIL as they are about football NIL, what we have now is our absolute ceiling.

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This is bull***** Auburn and Alabama didn't have big histories prior to their current coaches. Yet it took their current coaches proving themselves and then the money followed.

The exact same thing can happen here.

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They both had much bigger and better histories than A&M ever had. Plus, their fans and donors have made a huge commitment to basketball NIL. A&M has not, and I predict never will.

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Before Pearl Auburn had 1 E8 and 4 S16's.

Before Oats Bama has 1 E8 and 8 S16's

Before Buzz A&M had 0 E8's and 6 S16's.

Their fans and donors made big impacts after their current coaches gave them a reason to.

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If that's the case, why didn't we see a substantial uptick in resources after Billy Kennedy took us to the Sweet 16 twice in three years?

Who's this "Schloss"? I remember a coach Mother ****er.

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I'm convinced this AD is on a mission to tear it all down like Musk is doing. That's all good for the federal government but not my universities athletic department. If we get bounced first game, it's happening. Losing Schloss was the canary in the coal mine.

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I'm not always a fan of our AD department, but I don't blame them for Schloss walking away. That was more a reflection on Schloss being a peckerwood.

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I blame them. Trev's lack of proactive measures to keep Schloss is unacceptable. Regardless of if, and it's a big if, he would have stayed.

Luke The Drifter said:

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The sooner y'all realize Buzz is the best A&M will ever get, the better off you'll all be. Considering how awful A&M is at basketball NIL, facilities, fan support, and everything that's required to build a winning program, it's really pretty miraculous that Buzz (and Kennedy, and Turge, and BCG) have had the success they've had.

We are not Duke and never will be. Until our fans get as serious about basketball NIL as they are about football NIL, what we have now is our absolute ceiling.

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Blaming our predicament on NIL is both disingenuous and laughable. We have a coach and his system that no elite talent wants to play for or in. No amount of money will force them to. First get a better than average coach who can coach both OFFENSE and defense. Then money can be the deciding factor. It doesn't work the other way around.

Fquin said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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Bunk Moreland said:

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Luke The Drifter said:

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Bunk Moreland said:

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Luke The Drifter said:

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The sooner y'all realize Buzz is the best A&M will ever get, the better off you'll all be. Considering how awful A&M is at basketball NIL, facilities, fan support, and everything that's required to build a winning program, it's really pretty miraculous that Buzz (and Kennedy, and Turge, and BCG) have had the success they've had.

We are not Duke and never will be. Until our fans get as serious about basketball NIL as they are about football NIL, what we have now is our absolute ceiling.

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This is bull***** Auburn and Alabama didn't have big histories prior to their current coaches. Yet it took their current coaches proving themselves and then the money followed.

The exact same thing can happen here.

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They both had much bigger and better histories than A&M ever had. Plus, their fans and donors have made a huge commitment to basketball NIL. A&M has not, and I predict never will.

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Before Pearl Auburn had 1 E8 and 4 S16's.

Before Oats Bama has 1 E8 and 8 S16's

Before Buzz A&M had 0 E8's and 6 S16's.

Their fans and donors made big impacts after their current coaches gave them a reason to.

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If that's the case, why didn't we see a substantial uptick in resources after Billy Kennedy took us to the Sweet 16 twice in three years?

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Everybody on here seems to be conveniently leaving the fact that BK was diagnosed with Parkinson's before he left A&M and that was very clearly affecting his effectiveness as a head coach. But, sure bash away at him not getting past 2 sweet 16's which Buzz has yet to come close to in year 6.
( I apologize for the horrible run on sentence.)

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Regardless of what was going on with BK and whether or not money should've come in for him, I'd think that type of success in such a short timeframe would be the type of success that would lead to the financial boost for a program that they were referring to. If we make it to the Final Four this year, I don't think we'd see a massive influx of cash to land five stars, but who knows.

Zachary Klement said:

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Fquin said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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Bunk Moreland said:

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Luke The Drifter said:

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Bunk Moreland said:

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Luke The Drifter said:

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The sooner y'all realize Buzz is the best A&M will ever get, the better off you'll all be. Considering how awful A&M is at basketball NIL, facilities, fan support, and everything that's required to build a winning program, it's really pretty miraculous that Buzz (and Kennedy, and Turge, and BCG) have had the success they've had.

We are not Duke and never will be. Until our fans get as serious about basketball NIL as they are about football NIL, what we have now is our absolute ceiling.

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This is bull***** Auburn and Alabama didn't have big histories prior to their current coaches. Yet it took their current coaches proving themselves and then the money followed.

The exact same thing can happen here.

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They both had much bigger and better histories than A&M ever had. Plus, their fans and donors have made a huge commitment to basketball NIL. A&M has not, and I predict never will.

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Before Pearl Auburn had 1 E8 and 4 S16's.

Before Oats Bama has 1 E8 and 8 S16's

Before Buzz A&M had 0 E8's and 6 S16's.

Their fans and donors made big impacts after their current coaches gave them a reason to.

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If that's the case, why didn't we see a substantial uptick in resources after Billy Kennedy took us to the Sweet 16 twice in three years?

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Everybody on here seems to be conveniently leaving the fact that BK was diagnosed with Parkinson's before he left A&M and that was very clearly affecting his effectiveness as a head coach. But, sure bash away at him not getting past 2 sweet 16's which Buzz has yet to come close to in year 6.
( I apologize for the horrible run on sentence.)

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Regardless of what was going on with BK and whether or not money should've come in for him, I'd think that type of success in such a short timeframe would be the type of success that would lead to the financial boost for a program that they were referring to. If we make it to the Final Four this year, I don't think we'd see a massive influx of cash to land five stars, but who knows.

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Once again, the five stars would first have to at least have an interest in the coach and his system before any amount of money can make a difference. No school has enough money to make five stars want to play in this system.

Fquin said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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Fquin said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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Bunk Moreland said:

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Luke The Drifter said:

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Bunk Moreland said:

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Luke The Drifter said:

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The sooner y'all realize Buzz is the best A&M will ever get, the better off you'll all be. Considering how awful A&M is at basketball NIL, facilities, fan support, and everything that's required to build a winning program, it's really pretty miraculous that Buzz (and Kennedy, and Turge, and BCG) have had the success they've had.

We are not Duke and never will be. Until our fans get as serious about basketball NIL as they are about football NIL, what we have now is our absolute ceiling.

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This is bull***** Auburn and Alabama didn't have big histories prior to their current coaches. Yet it took their current coaches proving themselves and then the money followed.

The exact same thing can happen here.

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They both had much bigger and better histories than A&M ever had. Plus, their fans and donors have made a huge commitment to basketball NIL. A&M has not, and I predict never will.

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Before Pearl Auburn had 1 E8 and 4 S16's.

Before Oats Bama has 1 E8 and 8 S16's

Before Buzz A&M had 0 E8's and 6 S16's.

Their fans and donors made big impacts after their current coaches gave them a reason to.

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If that's the case, why didn't we see a substantial uptick in resources after Billy Kennedy took us to the Sweet 16 twice in three years?

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Everybody on here seems to be conveniently leaving the fact that BK was diagnosed with Parkinson's before he left A&M and that was very clearly affecting his effectiveness as a head coach. But, sure bash away at him not getting past 2 sweet 16's which Buzz has yet to come close to in year 6.
( I apologize for the horrible run on sentence.)

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Regardless of what was going on with BK and whether or not money should've come in for him, I'd think that type of success in such a short timeframe would be the type of success that would lead to the financial boost for a program that they were referring to. If we make it to the Final Four this year, I don't think we'd see a massive influx of cash to land five stars, but who knows.

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Once again, the five stars would first have to at least have an interest in the coach and his system before any amount of money can make a difference. No school has enough money to make five stars want to play in this system.

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bingo

Fquin said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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Fquin said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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Bunk Moreland said:

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Luke The Drifter said:

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Bunk Moreland said:

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Luke The Drifter said:

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The sooner y'all realize Buzz is the best A&M will ever get, the better off you'll all be. Considering how awful A&M is at basketball NIL, facilities, fan support, and everything that's required to build a winning program, it's really pretty miraculous that Buzz (and Kennedy, and Turge, and BCG) have had the success they've had.

We are not Duke and never will be. Until our fans get as serious about basketball NIL as they are about football NIL, what we have now is our absolute ceiling.

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This is bull***** Auburn and Alabama didn't have big histories prior to their current coaches. Yet it took their current coaches proving themselves and then the money followed.

The exact same thing can happen here.

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They both had much bigger and better histories than A&M ever had. Plus, their fans and donors have made a huge commitment to basketball NIL. A&M has not, and I predict never will.

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Before Pearl Auburn had 1 E8 and 4 S16's.

Before Oats Bama has 1 E8 and 8 S16's

Before Buzz A&M had 0 E8's and 6 S16's.

Their fans and donors made big impacts after their current coaches gave them a reason to.

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If that's the case, why didn't we see a substantial uptick in resources after Billy Kennedy took us to the Sweet 16 twice in three years?

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Everybody on here seems to be conveniently leaving the fact that BK was diagnosed with Parkinson's before he left A&M and that was very clearly affecting his effectiveness as a head coach. But, sure bash away at him not getting past 2 sweet 16's which Buzz has yet to come close to in year 6.
( I apologize for the horrible run on sentence.)

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Regardless of what was going on with BK and whether or not money should've come in for him, I'd think that type of success in such a short timeframe would be the type of success that would lead to the financial boost for a program that they were referring to. If we make it to the Final Four this year, I don't think we'd see a massive influx of cash to land five stars, but who knows.

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Once again, the five stars would first have to at least have an interest in the coach and his system before any amount of money can make a difference. No school has enough money to make five stars want to play in this system.

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Yeah, I wonder if our style of play would be different if we had the money to get top end players. Does our team run the way it does because Buzz is so committed to his style? Or is he so committed to his style of play because he think it's the only way we can succeed with the caliber of player we have access to? I don't know.

So, what runs these posts and angst ? Coaches and players?...ehh... texas....don't know why we ever thought it is going to be great to have them in our conference, period. I don't whine, but I cuss like a meth-fueled hobo on a game day. The 12 years without them was, honestly...quite nice. Let's face it, they are not a fun opponent. The contest is never "fun". If you win, you are glad that is over...if you lose..it's never over...it's just a reoccurring cyst...There is something wrong within the Athletic Dept. and I have a good idea, no..I know, but we just have to continue living the "almost" years...until we act on the due diligence that has already been done. Till then Aggies, Gig'em! at least we aren't t-sips.

Rex '86

Bunk Moreland said:

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The sooner y'all realize Buzz is the best A&M will ever get, the better off you'll all be. Considering how awful A&M is at basketball NIL, facilities, fan support, and everything that's required to build a winning program, it's really pretty miraculous that Buzz (and Kennedy, and Turge, and BCG) have had the success they've had.

We are not Duke and never will be. Until our fans get as serious about basketball NIL as they are about football NIL, what we have now is our absolute ceiling.

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This is bull***** Auburn and Alabama didn't have big histories prior to their current coaches. Yet it took their current coaches proving themselves and then the money followed.

The exact same thing can happen here.

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Exactly best conference I bet that are plenty of coaches ready to coach in the best conference and get overpaid. Years ago I wanted McCasland damn that wouldn't have worked and spare me but Buzz beat him bs, They were w/o their best player.

Play a better brand of basketball than this slop and maybe people will show up. There are hundreds of better shooters in the rec daily. Most people are like me we root for them but you have to turn away for a half because it's so frustrating watching this and I'm not paying for it. I can see why people don't want to come watch this style of basketball it's not fun or exciting.

I disagree.

Makes it easier to know who we don't have to take serious.

This thread.....lol

In the last 25 years, we have invested pretty heavily in all sports - really ramping it up after moving to the SEC. That said, we are like "mediocre at best" performance wise given our top dollar spending. We have been getting less out of more for so long that it really is the most true tradition of all Aggie traditions.

We have changed conferences, coaches, players, facilities, athletic directors, support staff, etc... and yet the malaise remains. I am telling you we have a major culture problem between the athletic department and those not in the athletic department. Its hard to say what it is but the hero worship given to the players and staff when a good season is had to the awful behavior when things go bad really means that we, as fans, care too much. The university, the athletic department, the Association of Former Students, the TMF, and anything related to A&M uses the fact that most care too much. We are too loyal and it is used against us to support this or that. Each and every year, copious amount of kool-aid is served up about the football team only to be 7-5 or 8-4. Basketball brings back almost an entire team and they are maddening to watch. We retained most of our national runner-up baseball team and we stink for the most part after being ranked #1 to open the season. I could go on and on.


TLDR version
The teams that win championships are not usually flukes but are in the mix each and every year. Outside of baseball last year, we are not and have not been, despite spending more than most of these same schools. Until all of us develop a more cut-throat mindset that demands excellence from athletic department, we will continue to be stuck in the bowels of lethargy. As fans, we have to make the teams EARN OUR ATTENDANCE AND DONATIONS, not just because we are loyal.

Get tired of the complaining about Reed Arena. Yes there are better, newer basketball only
facilities. But Reed is NOT the reason for less success than we want. There are National Champion
teams with lesser facilities. With a lot lower seating capacity too.

With continuing to pay Jimbo and the cost of new baseball facilities, it is likely with the cost of NIL
that not much else will be done in the near term re facilities.

Luke The Drifter said:

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The sooner y'all realize Buzz is the best A&M will ever get, the better off you'll all be. Considering how awful A&M is at basketball NIL, facilities, fan support, and everything that's required to build a winning program, it's really pretty miraculous that Buzz (and Kennedy, and Turge, and BCG) have had the success they've had.

We are not Duke and never will be. Until our fans get as serious about basketball NIL as they are about football NIL, what we have now is our absolute ceiling.

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What a ridiculous argument. It's "miraculous" that we have had success, but then you go on to name every single coach we have had for the last 20 years. So it's "miraculous" that we have had 4 consecutive winning coaches spanning two decades? Seems like you defeated your own argument within one paragraph. When the success is consistent, how is it a miracle?

No one is claiming that we want to be Duke, or will ever be Duke.

This is just a loser mentality.

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Luke The Drifter said:

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The sooner y'all realize Buzz is the best A&M will ever get, the better off you'll all be. Considering how awful A&M is at basketball NIL, facilities, fan support, and everything that's required to build a winning program, it's really pretty miraculous that Buzz (and Kennedy, and Turge, and BCG) have had the success they've had.

We are not Duke and never will be. Until our fans get as serious about basketball NIL as they are about football NIL, what we have now is our absolute ceiling.

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What a ridiculous argument. It's "miraculous" that we have had success, but then you go on to name every single coach we have had for the last 20 years. So it's "miraculous" that we have had 4 consecutive winning coaches spanning two decades? Seems like you defeated your own argument within one paragraph. When the success is consistent, how is it a miracle?

No one is claiming that we want to be Duke, or will ever be Duke.

This is just a loser mentality.

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Billy Kennedy was a losing coach so shouldn't be recognized in the same regard. Having one actual good year out of 8 isn't on the same level of Buzz, Turge and BCG.

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Its also funny that he said Buzz is the best we'll ever get, when the three guys before him were all better than him here.

We've had better coaches, we can get a better coach.

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Agreed. He says Buzz is the ceiling we can hope for, but BCG was undeniably better.

And to be up front, I like Buzz. I hope he stays. However, we pay him well, so if another team comes in and offers him more, let him go. He's not unreplaceable, and he certainly isn't the ceiling of what we could hope for.

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Its also funny that he said Buzz is the best we'll ever get, when the three guys before him were all better than him here.

We've had better coaches, we can get a better coach.

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Agreed. He says Buzz is the ceiling we can hope for, but BCG was undeniably better.

And to be up front, I like Buzz. I hope he stays. However, we pay him well, so if another team comes in and offers him more, let him go. He's not unreplaceable, and he certainly isn't the ceiling of what we could hope for.

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But we couldn't hold onto BCG...a guy like that is almost always going to leave A&M for a place like Kentucky.

Which is why Buzz is likely the ceiling because he is a guy we can hold onto and perform well consistently.

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Look...the A&M brass will never put the resources into basketball that many of us want them to. That's just the way it is. We call ourselves a football school, but we rarely make any noise on a national scale. Someone earlier posted about an A&M-wide culture problem, and I think I agree with that. We are so hyper-focused on a perpetually mediocre football program that we miss great opportunities in basketball and other sports. I just don't get it. I like football just fine, but the way we continually pour millions and millions and millions into a program that rarely wins more than two-thirds of it's games in a year just baffles me.

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That's because football (as mediocre as it is) is our money maker. It's what keeps the wheels turning for the entire athletic department, just like basketball is the money maker for Duke, NC, Kansas, etc...)

Look at the basketball Blue Bloods (Kansas, Duke, NC, Kentucky, UCLA, Connecticut, etc....). They all have poor football programs, and I'm sure that they have some fans on their message boards saying they wish they could allocate more resources to football.

I'm not sure why, but it seems very difficult to have long term sustained success in both football and basketball. Alabama is doing a pretty good job at it right now, but we will see if they can sustain. That's probably a discussion for another thread through.

Yes…basketball at A&M is like football at Duke, UCLA, UConn, etc. It's merely an afterthought…something to get you through until the next season starts.

It takes a real special situation to be really good at both football and basketball. Alabama is doing it, Michigan has pulled it off, Florida had them both going for a while…but that's pretty much it in the last 30(?) years.

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Its also funny that he said Buzz is the best we'll ever get, when the three guys before him were all better than him here.

We've had better coaches, we can get a better coach.

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What makes you think BK was better than Buzz?

What makes you think Turgeon was better than Buzz?

I went back and looked at the seasons Turgeon was here, the most ranked teams we played in a season under Turgeon was 9, most years it was 5-7. This year, we played 9 ranked teams in conference play alone and 11 total. The SEC that Buzz coaches in is better than the Big 12 Turgeon coached in and the SEC BK coached in.

In your mind, is a coach better solely because they made it to the Sweet 16 more than another coach?

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My gut impression when I think about Buzz, BK, and Turgeon is that they are all about equal in total resume at A&M. So I went to Torvik (T-Rank) and College Basketball Reference (SRS - Simple Rating System) to see if that's accurate.

Torvik T-Rank avg across all seasons (lower rank is better):
Buzz: 61
BK: 71
Turg: 33

College Basketball Reference avg across all seasons (higher score is better):
Buzz: 11.23
BK: 9.95
Turg: 13.65

I think BK is clearly the least of the 3, though we still had a few solid seasons under him, especially by historical A&M basketball standards.

Turg gets the best score if you just average all of his seasons. He didn't have a bad season in his 4 years here.

However Buzz has the best 4 consecutive years probably ever in A&M basketball history (since BCG was only here 3 years). His T-Rank has been 23 to 32 in each of those 4 years.

Not saying that makes Buzz the slam dunk best of the 3. I think they're all overall pretty close. But he has an argument to be the best of the 3.

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Look...the A&M brass will never put the resources into basketball that many of us want them to. That's just the way it is.

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What resources are lacking from either men's or women's basketball?