Ohio St up until the last few years and Michigan St in the 2000s are good examples as well.
If Buzz is allowed to walk away for another job
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Zachary Klement said:Regardless of what was going on with BK and whether or not money should've come in for him, I'd think that type of success in such a short timeframe would be the type of success that would lead to the financial boost for a program that they were referring to. If we make it to the Final Four this year, I don't think we'd see a massive influx of cash to land five stars, but who knows.Fquin said:Zachary Klement said:If that's the case, why didn't we see a substantial uptick in resources after Billy Kennedy took us to the Sweet 16 twice in three years?Bunk Moreland said:Luke The Drifter said:Bunk Moreland said:Luke The Drifter said:
The sooner y'all realize Buzz is the best A&M will ever get, the better off you'll all be. Considering how awful A&M is at basketball NIL, facilities, fan support, and everything that's required to build a winning program, it's really pretty miraculous that Buzz (and Kennedy, and Turge, and BCG) have had the success they've had.
We are not Duke and never will be. Until our fans get as serious about basketball NIL as they are about football NIL, what we have now is our absolute ceiling.
This is bull***** Auburn and Alabama didn't have big histories prior to their current coaches. Yet it took their current coaches proving themselves and then the money followed.
The exact same thing can happen here.
They both had much bigger and better histories than A&M ever had. Plus, their fans and donors have made a huge commitment to basketball NIL. A&M has not, and I predict never will.
Before Pearl Auburn had 1 E8 and 4 S16's.
Before Oats Bama has 1 E8 and 8 S16's
Before Buzz A&M had 0 E8's and 6 S16's.
Their fans and donors made big impacts after their current coaches gave them a reason to.
Everybody on here seems to be conveniently leaving the fact that BK was diagnosed with Parkinson's before he left A&M and that was very clearly affecting his effectiveness as a head coach. But, sure bash away at him not getting past 2 sweet 16's which Buzz has yet to come close to in year 6.
( I apologize for the horrible run on sentence.)
If we made it to the final 4 this year, our weak ass *****ing fan base would whine that we didn't win it all and our players don't practice...blah blah...blah
They would say, "well it ain't pretty so I'm not supporting it"
I argue we have the worst fan base compared to the level of play we get out of our team. I also argue if the Gillespie days happened in 2024 instead of 2004, people would hate that team as well. Our fans have become weak and tired. Especially the ones that casually watch basketball, but are rabid, avid *****ers.
The blocked out words in my post was the slang for complaining. Not as crude as the filter would make it sound 
Can't you see that Buzz is a microcosm of Texas A&M's zeitgeist?
A mini Billy Gillespie.
This is what you get at A&M
But his performance against a mid level tu team makes me sick.
A mini Billy Gillespie.
This is what you get at A&M
But his performance against a mid level tu team makes me sick.
I mean yeah, that's kinda how CBB success is measured. What do you do in March?
BK - 2 sweet 16s and a regular season conference championship
Turgeon - 4/4 tournament appearances here, not that special, but more than Buzz can say. Recruited high school talent (also, not that it really matters, but he won a conference championship at Maryland and had his best team heading in to cancelled covid tournament)
In the last 10 years Buzz has one Sweet 16, BK and Turgeon have 3....
By just about every metric you want to use Turgeon and BK were better here than Buzz has been. -
Edit to add, if we make the Sweet 16 this year, the argument for Turgeon can go away, but Buzz hasn't been much better in the regular season than either of these guys. So the argument that Buzz is "the best we could ever get" is nonsense- his immediate predecessors have had the same or better success than him.
Also - Buzz's style of basketball is just not meant for this era of basketball. He doesn't recruit talent and doesn't develop players basketball skills. Wade Taylor and Henry Coleman are perfect examples of that. They are no better basketball players than when they walked in the door for us, even the sunshine pumpers on this forum point that out. But boy howdy they try hard!
You can not win solely on heart and effort, despite Buzz's folksy gimmicky post game pressers. The next time I want to hear an "aw shucks we're champions of the heart" type speech is if we're cutting down nets.
BK - 2 sweet 16s and a regular season conference championship
Turgeon - 4/4 tournament appearances here, not that special, but more than Buzz can say. Recruited high school talent (also, not that it really matters, but he won a conference championship at Maryland and had his best team heading in to cancelled covid tournament)
In the last 10 years Buzz has one Sweet 16, BK and Turgeon have 3....
By just about every metric you want to use Turgeon and BK were better here than Buzz has been. -
Edit to add, if we make the Sweet 16 this year, the argument for Turgeon can go away, but Buzz hasn't been much better in the regular season than either of these guys. So the argument that Buzz is "the best we could ever get" is nonsense- his immediate predecessors have had the same or better success than him.
Also - Buzz's style of basketball is just not meant for this era of basketball. He doesn't recruit talent and doesn't develop players basketball skills. Wade Taylor and Henry Coleman are perfect examples of that. They are no better basketball players than when they walked in the door for us, even the sunshine pumpers on this forum point that out. But boy howdy they try hard!
You can not win solely on heart and effort, despite Buzz's folksy gimmicky post game pressers. The next time I want to hear an "aw shucks we're champions of the heart" type speech is if we're cutting down nets.
There are 50-100 coaches in the NCAA who would have the same level of success at A&M that Buzz has had for the 6 years he has been here.
One NCAA tourney win and zero conference championships. Whoopee….
One NCAA tourney win and zero conference championships. Whoopee….
Zachary Klement said:What makes you think BK was better than Buzz?jc1402 said:
Its also funny that he said Buzz is the best we'll ever get, when the three guys before him were all better than him here.
We've had better coaches, we can get a better coach.
What makes you think Turgeon was better than Buzz?
I went back and looked at the seasons Turgeon was here, the most ranked teams we played in a season under Turgeon was 9, most years it was 5-7. This year, we played 9 ranked teams in conference play alone and 11 total. The SEC that Buzz coaches in is better than the Big 12 Turgeon coached in and the SEC BK coached in.
In your mind, is a coach better solely because they made it to the Sweet 16 more than another coach?
lol what makes someone think that BK was better than Buzz???
How about a conference title, two sweet 16s, the greatest comeback in NCAA basketball history (not just tournament) vs N Iowa, and the greatest single win in Texas A&M history (2nd round 2018 vs defending champ UNC).
Buzz has done NONE of that. He's all smoke and mirrors. He had a chance to change the narrative this year in the tourney, but to this point he's accomplished nothing of significance at A&M.
Tournament success matters the most, sure, but that is not the only thing that matters.jc1402 said:
I mean yeah, that's kinda how CBB success is measured. What do you do in March?
BK - 2 sweet 16s and a regular season conference championship
Turgeon - 4/4 tournament appearances here, not that special, but more than Buzz can say. Recruited high school talent (also, not that it really matters, but he won a conference championship at Maryland and had his best team heading in to cancelled covid tournament)
In the last 10 years Buzz has one Sweet 16, BK and Turgeon have 3....
By just about every metric you want to use Turgeon and BK were better here than Buzz has been. -
Edit to add, if we make the Sweet 16 this year, the argument for Turgeon can go away, but Buzz hasn't been much better in the regular season than either of these guys. So the argument that Buzz is "the best we could ever get" is nonsense- his immediate predecessors have had the same or better success than him.
Also - Buzz's style of basketball is just not meant for this era of basketball. He doesn't recruit talent and doesn't develop players basketball skills. Wade Taylor and Henry Coleman are perfect examples of that. They are no better basketball players than when they walked in the door for us, even the sunshine pumpers on this thread point that out. But boy howdy they try hard!
You can not win solely on heart and effort, despite Buzz's folksy gimmicky post game pressers. The next time I want to hear an "aw shucks we're champions of the heart" type speech is if we're cutting down nets.
Kennedy missed the tournament in six of the eight years he coached here. The year he finished tied for first in the SEC in the regular season, we finished with a 13-5 record in conference play. In the 2022-23 season, Buzz had a 15-3 record in conference play. One of the years BK got us to the Sweet 16, we were fortunate enough to matchup with 11 seed UNI in the second round of the tournament...last year, Buzz got to face 1 seed Houston and we took them to OT. Buzz has a higher winning percentage than BK at A&M and for the entirety of his career. To argue he was better than Buzz does not make any sense to me, especially when it is being done so based primarily on the arbitrary "we made the Sweet 16" metric.
When talking about regular season success, I also think you are overlooking the fact that the SEC is exponentially better now than it was when Kennedy was here or the Big 12 that Turgeon coached in. It is possible 13/16 teams from the conference get into the tournament. We played nine conference games where our opponent was ranked.
On top of that, BK and Turgeon both inherited better teams than Buzz did after we let BK go.
If Buzz can surpass Turgeon this year by making the Sweet 16, does that mean you perceive BK's time here to be more successful than BCG's because BK made more Sweet 16s?
If Buzz's style of play is not meant for this era of basketball: Why have we been ranked the entire season? Why have we secured more ranked wins this year than any other year in program history? Why did we knock off the No. 1 team in the country for the first time in program history? Why have we made it to the SEC Championship Game twice? Why has he won SEC Coach of the year twice?
He missed the tournament six out of the eight seasons he was here. Great success!gunan01 said:Zachary Klement said:What makes you think BK was better than Buzz?jc1402 said:
Its also funny that he said Buzz is the best we'll ever get, when the three guys before him were all better than him here.
We've had better coaches, we can get a better coach.
What makes you think Turgeon was better than Buzz?
I went back and looked at the seasons Turgeon was here, the most ranked teams we played in a season under Turgeon was 9, most years it was 5-7. This year, we played 9 ranked teams in conference play alone and 11 total. The SEC that Buzz coaches in is better than the Big 12 Turgeon coached in and the SEC BK coached in.
In your mind, is a coach better solely because they made it to the Sweet 16 more than another coach?
lol what makes someone think that BK was better than Buzz???
How about a conference title, two sweet 16s, the greatest comeback in NCAA basketball history (not just tournament) vs N Iowa, and the greatest single win in Texas A&M history (2nd round 2018 vs defending champ UNC).
Buzz has done NONE of that. He's all smoke and mirrors. He had a chance to change the narrative this year in the tourney, but to this point he's accomplished nothing of significance at A&M.
The fact that your response is this lengthy in this discussion proves my point -
Buzz is not the "best we could ever get" because it's arguable that he's not even better than the guys who were just here. I provided pretty objective measures of success that Buzz has not met, that other coaches have, and you're introducing a lot of subjectivity to say why Buzz is better. So it's arguable at best.
And I don't want to invest much more time into thinking about Buzz because he makes me want to put my head through a wall, but I'll nitpick the point about the Auburn win. That it was our senior night and was a meaningless game for them (already won the regular season) right ahead of their biggest rival. It was fun to beat a number 1 ranked team, but if you want to introduce subjective points about why Buzz is the best we could ever get, I can do the opposite. So if he's such a great coach, let's see him win a meaningful game...
Buzz is not the "best we could ever get" because it's arguable that he's not even better than the guys who were just here. I provided pretty objective measures of success that Buzz has not met, that other coaches have, and you're introducing a lot of subjectivity to say why Buzz is better. So it's arguable at best.
And I don't want to invest much more time into thinking about Buzz because he makes me want to put my head through a wall, but I'll nitpick the point about the Auburn win. That it was our senior night and was a meaningless game for them (already won the regular season) right ahead of their biggest rival. It was fun to beat a number 1 ranked team, but if you want to introduce subjective points about why Buzz is the best we could ever get, I can do the opposite. So if he's such a great coach, let's see him win a meaningful game...
I would much rather have the Billy Kennedy years than whatever we have had the last 6 years. I think most Ags feel the same....Zachary Klement said:He missed the tournament six out of the eight seasons he was here. Great success!gunan01 said:Zachary Klement said:What makes you think BK was better than Buzz?jc1402 said:
Its also funny that he said Buzz is the best we'll ever get, when the three guys before him were all better than him here.
We've had better coaches, we can get a better coach.
What makes you think Turgeon was better than Buzz?
I went back and looked at the seasons Turgeon was here, the most ranked teams we played in a season under Turgeon was 9, most years it was 5-7. This year, we played 9 ranked teams in conference play alone and 11 total. The SEC that Buzz coaches in is better than the Big 12 Turgeon coached in and the SEC BK coached in.
In your mind, is a coach better solely because they made it to the Sweet 16 more than another coach?
lol what makes someone think that BK was better than Buzz???
How about a conference title, two sweet 16s, the greatest comeback in NCAA basketball history (not just tournament) vs N Iowa, and the greatest single win in Texas A&M history (2nd round 2018 vs defending champ UNC).
Buzz has done NONE of that. He's all smoke and mirrors. He had a chance to change the narrative this year in the tourney, but to this point he's accomplished nothing of significance at A&M.
Anybody arguing that Billy Kennedy was better than Buzz Williams or that there are 100 coaches who could be swapped in and do as good of a job as Buzz has done is a complete fool who doesn't know what they're talking about.
gunan01 said:I would much rather have the Billy Kennedy years than whatever we have had the last 6 years. I think most Ags feel the same....Zachary Klement said:He missed the tournament six out of the eight seasons he was here. Great success!gunan01 said:Zachary Klement said:What makes you think BK was better than Buzz?jc1402 said:
Its also funny that he said Buzz is the best we'll ever get, when the three guys before him were all better than him here.
We've had better coaches, we can get a better coach.
What makes you think Turgeon was better than Buzz?
I went back and looked at the seasons Turgeon was here, the most ranked teams we played in a season under Turgeon was 9, most years it was 5-7. This year, we played 9 ranked teams in conference play alone and 11 total. The SEC that Buzz coaches in is better than the Big 12 Turgeon coached in and the SEC BK coached in.
In your mind, is a coach better solely because they made it to the Sweet 16 more than another coach?
lol what makes someone think that BK was better than Buzz???
How about a conference title, two sweet 16s, the greatest comeback in NCAA basketball history (not just tournament) vs N Iowa, and the greatest single win in Texas A&M history (2nd round 2018 vs defending champ UNC).
Buzz has done NONE of that. He's all smoke and mirrors. He had a chance to change the narrative this year in the tourney, but to this point he's accomplished nothing of significance at A&M.
And that's why Aggie basketball "fans" suck. It's "just win, baby" in football and baseball, but it's, "look pretty and don't frustrate me" in basketball.
When we win pretty, our fans forget as quickly as possible. (#1 Auburn)
"We can't score!" Typical Aggie, "Our 46 to 43 win over the sips was the best basketball moment of my life."
lol I'll never really understand this attitude.JJxvi said:
Anybody arguing that Billy Kennedy was better than Buzz Williams or that there are 100 coaches who could be swapped in and do as good of a job as Buzz has done is a complete fool who doesn't know what they're talking about.
It's not bashing him to state that you couldn't swap him out with 50-100 coaches in the NCAA and have the same level of success. It's stating facts.
Buzz's record at A&M is 119-71, with a conference record of 56-44. He wins 56% of his conference games. He has one NCAA tourney win at A&M.
You don't think there are 50-100 coaches out there who, with our resources and fan base, could win 56% of their conference games and have one NCAA tourney win in 5 years (6th year pending)?
Not until proven at A&M or in VERY, Very, similar circumstances, I dont.
Because I have a thought out argument, your point is proven? I don't get that.jc1402 said:
The fact that your response is this lengthy in this discussion proves my point -
Buzz is not the "best we could ever get" because it's arguable that he's not even better than the guys who were just here. I provided pretty objective measures of success that Buzz has not met, that other coaches have, and you're introducing a lot of subjectivity to say why Buzz is better. So it's arguable at best.
And I don't want to invest much more time into thinking about Buzz because he makes me want to put my head through a wall, but I'll nitpick the point about the Auburn win. That it was our senior night and was a meaningless game for them (already won the regular season) right ahead of their biggest rival. It was fun to beat a number 1 ranked team, but if you want to introduce subjective points about why Buzz is the best we could ever get, I can do the opposite. So if he's such a great coach, let's see him win a meaningful game...
Much of what I said is objective. All of the achievements I listed under Buzz are objective. The conference is better now than in the past, that is objective. Buzz has a better record than BK, that is objective. Buzz has made the tournament more often than BK, that is objective.
So, postseason success matters the most to you, but you would prefer the coach that misses the tournament 75% of the time. Makes sense!gunan01 said:I would much rather have the Billy Kennedy years than whatever we have had the last 6 years. I think most Ags feel the same....Zachary Klement said:He missed the tournament six out of the eight seasons he was here. Great success!gunan01 said:Zachary Klement said:What makes you think BK was better than Buzz?jc1402 said:
Its also funny that he said Buzz is the best we'll ever get, when the three guys before him were all better than him here.
We've had better coaches, we can get a better coach.
What makes you think Turgeon was better than Buzz?
I went back and looked at the seasons Turgeon was here, the most ranked teams we played in a season under Turgeon was 9, most years it was 5-7. This year, we played 9 ranked teams in conference play alone and 11 total. The SEC that Buzz coaches in is better than the Big 12 Turgeon coached in and the SEC BK coached in.
In your mind, is a coach better solely because they made it to the Sweet 16 more than another coach?
lol what makes someone think that BK was better than Buzz???
How about a conference title, two sweet 16s, the greatest comeback in NCAA basketball history (not just tournament) vs N Iowa, and the greatest single win in Texas A&M history (2nd round 2018 vs defending champ UNC).
Buzz has done NONE of that. He's all smoke and mirrors. He had a chance to change the narrative this year in the tourney, but to this point he's accomplished nothing of significance at A&M.
How many games did you attend this season? Serious question re: "our fans suck."
Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, but to me winning conference titles and NCAA tourney success is most important. Sure, for about 24 hours I'm ecstatic about Phelps's last second 3 pointer to beat Ole Miss on the road, but the lasting memories for me are NCAA tourney success.Zachary Klement said:So, postseason success matters the most to you, but you would prefer the coach that misses the tournament 75% of the time. Makes sense!gunan01 said:I would much rather have the Billy Kennedy years than whatever we have had the last 6 years. I think most Ags feel the same....Zachary Klement said:He missed the tournament six out of the eight seasons he was here. Great success!gunan01 said:Zachary Klement said:What makes you think BK was better than Buzz?jc1402 said:
Its also funny that he said Buzz is the best we'll ever get, when the three guys before him were all better than him here.
We've had better coaches, we can get a better coach.
What makes you think Turgeon was better than Buzz?
I went back and looked at the seasons Turgeon was here, the most ranked teams we played in a season under Turgeon was 9, most years it was 5-7. This year, we played 9 ranked teams in conference play alone and 11 total. The SEC that Buzz coaches in is better than the Big 12 Turgeon coached in and the SEC BK coached in.
In your mind, is a coach better solely because they made it to the Sweet 16 more than another coach?
lol what makes someone think that BK was better than Buzz???
How about a conference title, two sweet 16s, the greatest comeback in NCAA basketball history (not just tournament) vs N Iowa, and the greatest single win in Texas A&M history (2nd round 2018 vs defending champ UNC).
Buzz has done NONE of that. He's all smoke and mirrors. He had a chance to change the narrative this year in the tourney, but to this point he's accomplished nothing of significance at A&M.
Those 2016 and 2018 runs were magical, I still watch highlights of Northern Iowa (2016) and UNC (2018). 2007 was awesome too.
I'm not asking for BK back, but if Buzz doesn't get to the Sweet 16 with THIS team, I'd rather let some other guy have a shot....
Buzz has been significantly better in the regular season than BK. BK had 2 tournament teams and 1 NIT. Buzz is about to have 3 and 1 in 2 less total seasons.
Not to mention that BK's 2018 team underachieved all season relative the expectations and thankfully got hot vs UNC when it mattered most.
We had a team with Tyler Davis, Robert Williams, Gilder and Hogg and went 16-15 in 2017.
You would take him over Buzz?
I'm not even a big Buzz defender but the BK revisionist history is wild.
Not to mention that BK's 2018 team underachieved all season relative the expectations and thankfully got hot vs UNC when it mattered most.
We had a team with Tyler Davis, Robert Williams, Gilder and Hogg and went 16-15 in 2017.
You would take him over Buzz?
I'm not even a big Buzz defender but the BK revisionist history is wild.
That is the exact definition of our game yesterday.jc1402 said:
but I'll nitpick the point about the Auburn win. That it was our senior night and was a meaningless game for them (already won the regular season) right ahead of their biggest rival. It was fun to beat a number 1 ranked team, but if you want to introduce subjective points about why Buzz is the best we could ever get, I can do the opposite. So if he's such a great coach, let's see him win a meaningful game...
Man, never thought someone would die on the "Billy Kennedy is better than" hill. Talk about revisionist history. Kennedy was Franchione. Buzz is closer to RC. Have to put it into football terms since 90% of the people posting live and die about Aggie football and beating Texas in the other sports
He has to be trolling. There is no way you could objectively say BK had a better tenure than Buzz has had to this point. Unless he's only a fan that starts watching around this time every year. In which case he was only familiar with 2 BK teams out of 8.
I would say playing your arch rival in a conference tournament to end their season is the definition of a meaningful game... and we lost it
I just don't understand the statement that Buzz is "the best we could ever get" when he doesn't even have the success that other coaches have had at A&M... tournament wins, appearances, regular season conference championships, etc..
I just hate the level of mediocrity we're supposed to accept as the best we could ever do. I think young hungry coach could do better here.
I just hate the level of mediocrity we're supposed to accept as the best we could ever do. I think young hungry coach could do better here.
I have never said he's the best we could get. I just was pushing back on the notion that he is worse than BK was.
A 3A high school coach could have done better than Buzz yesterday. And it ain't the first time.Quote:
Anybody arguing that Billy Kennedy was better than Buzz Williams or that there are 100 coaches who could be swapped in and do as good of a job as Buzz has done is a complete fool who doesn't know what they're talking about.
Does Buzz do a lot of good things? Yes. Does Buzz have a ton of "WTF are we doing here" days. Like a ton? YES.
Yeah it wasn't you- but that statement was starred 35 times on this thread, which was what my original reply was about. So it's not an uncommon thought amongst our fanbase, and it's wrong imo.
Fair.gunan01 said:Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, but to me winning conference titles and NCAA tourney success is most important. Sure, for about 24 hours I'm ecstatic about Phelps's last second 3 pointer to beat Ole Miss on the road, but the lasting memories for me are NCAA tourney success.Zachary Klement said:So, postseason success matters the most to you, but you would prefer the coach that misses the tournament 75% of the time. Makes sense!gunan01 said:I would much rather have the Billy Kennedy years than whatever we have had the last 6 years. I think most Ags feel the same....Zachary Klement said:He missed the tournament six out of the eight seasons he was here. Great success!gunan01 said:Zachary Klement said:What makes you think BK was better than Buzz?jc1402 said:
Its also funny that he said Buzz is the best we'll ever get, when the three guys before him were all better than him here.
We've had better coaches, we can get a better coach.
What makes you think Turgeon was better than Buzz?
I went back and looked at the seasons Turgeon was here, the most ranked teams we played in a season under Turgeon was 9, most years it was 5-7. This year, we played 9 ranked teams in conference play alone and 11 total. The SEC that Buzz coaches in is better than the Big 12 Turgeon coached in and the SEC BK coached in.
In your mind, is a coach better solely because they made it to the Sweet 16 more than another coach?
lol what makes someone think that BK was better than Buzz???
How about a conference title, two sweet 16s, the greatest comeback in NCAA basketball history (not just tournament) vs N Iowa, and the greatest single win in Texas A&M history (2nd round 2018 vs defending champ UNC).
Buzz has done NONE of that. He's all smoke and mirrors. He had a chance to change the narrative this year in the tourney, but to this point he's accomplished nothing of significance at A&M.
Those 2016 and 2018 runs were magical, I still watch highlights of Northern Iowa (2016) and UNC (2018). 2007 was awesome too.
I'm not asking for BK back, but if Buzz doesn't get to the Sweet 16 with THIS team, I'd rather let some other guy have a shot....
Those runs are special to me too, probably the best sports memories I have from my time at A&M.
I'll rephrase a little bit. There are certainly "literally" 100 coaches out there who could equal or do better than Buzz Williams. The vast majority of them either would never be considered for this job, or wouldn't take the job if they were offered it.gunan01 said:lol I'll never really understand this attitude.JJxvi said:
Anybody arguing that Billy Kennedy was better than Buzz Williams or that there are 100 coaches who could be swapped in and do as good of a job as Buzz has done is a complete fool who doesn't know what they're talking about.
It's not bashing him to state that you couldn't swap him out with 50-100 coaches in the NCAA and have the same level of success. It's stating facts.
Buzz's record at A&M is 119-71, with a conference record of 56-44. He wins 56% of his conference games. He has one NCAA tourney win at A&M.
You don't think there are 50-100 coaches out there who, with our resources and fan base, could win 56% of their conference games and have one NCAA tourney win in 5 years (6th year pending)?
That is the actual problem, identifying them and recruiting them. There's maybe a handful at most who are both available and would be recognized as qualified. Howeber, the real problem is that there are way more coaches out there in the pool of available and qualified coaches that couldn't do it, so picking out a new one means you probably wouldn't actually identify and get one of the 100 that you're talking about. It isn't some kind of cartoony matter of throwing a dart and hitting one of hundred coaches.
It was basically already almost a given when we hired Buzz Williams that he could and would achieve to this level, and he's the only coach we've ever hired for this job that you could say that about. There is no coach who we know would accept the job who would be considered a sure thing.
I'm not gonna be upset like we lost a Coach K or Bob Knight or something if Buzz leaves because he wants to, but it would be pure stupidity to just let him leave or fire him because you think you can just pick someone out of the bingo tumbler who will do as good of a job. That is foolish.
I'm not gonna be upset like we lost a Coach K or Bob Knight or something if Buzz leaves because he wants to, but it would be pure stupidity to just let him leave or fire him because you think you can just pick someone out of the bingo tumbler who will do as good of a job. That is foolish.
Zachary Klement said:Fair.gunan01 said:Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, but to me winning conference titles and NCAA tourney success is most important. Sure, for about 24 hours I'm ecstatic about Phelps's last second 3 pointer to beat Ole Miss on the road, but the lasting memories for me are NCAA tourney success.Zachary Klement said:So, postseason success matters the most to you, but you would prefer the coach that misses the tournament 75% of the time. Makes sense!gunan01 said:I would much rather have the Billy Kennedy years than whatever we have had the last 6 years. I think most Ags feel the same....Zachary Klement said:He missed the tournament six out of the eight seasons he was here. Great success!gunan01 said:Zachary Klement said:What makes you think BK was better than Buzz?jc1402 said:
Its also funny that he said Buzz is the best we'll ever get, when the three guys before him were all better than him here.
We've had better coaches, we can get a better coach.
What makes you think Turgeon was better than Buzz?
I went back and looked at the seasons Turgeon was here, the most ranked teams we played in a season under Turgeon was 9, most years it was 5-7. This year, we played 9 ranked teams in conference play alone and 11 total. The SEC that Buzz coaches in is better than the Big 12 Turgeon coached in and the SEC BK coached in.
In your mind, is a coach better solely because they made it to the Sweet 16 more than another coach?
lol what makes someone think that BK was better than Buzz???
How about a conference title, two sweet 16s, the greatest comeback in NCAA basketball history (not just tournament) vs N Iowa, and the greatest single win in Texas A&M history (2nd round 2018 vs defending champ UNC).
Buzz has done NONE of that. He's all smoke and mirrors. He had a chance to change the narrative this year in the tourney, but to this point he's accomplished nothing of significance at A&M.
Those 2016 and 2018 runs were magical, I still watch highlights of Northern Iowa (2016) and UNC (2018). 2007 was awesome too.
I'm not asking for BK back, but if Buzz doesn't get to the Sweet 16 with THIS team, I'd rather let some other guy have a shot....
Those runs are special to me too, probably the best sports memories I have from my time at A&M.
Kennedy is propped up significantly because he managed to get himself into a situation where his coaching had nearly zero impact on a group of NBA players outclassing and flustering a small major team with zero talent into the most improbable win in ncaa history. He then got absolutely waxed by OU in the sweet 16.
SteveA said:
"I'm not always a fan of our AD department, but I don't blame them for Schloss walking away. That was more a reflection on Schloss being a peckerwood."
Most coaches are asshats. But he left because of perceived grievances from the AD. The way he left sucks, and yeah, he's a dick, but it was the AD's fault, and he probably cost us at least one championship.
He was going to leave no matter what. Blaming it on the AD is little like trying to blame a plane crash on the folks at the gate. Yeah, they had something to do with the flight but almost nothing to do with the plane crashing.
Agreed. I vehemently disagree with the idea he was a better coach than Buzz.t - cam said:Zachary Klement said:Fair.gunan01 said:Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, but to me winning conference titles and NCAA tourney success is most important. Sure, for about 24 hours I'm ecstatic about Phelps's last second 3 pointer to beat Ole Miss on the road, but the lasting memories for me are NCAA tourney success.Zachary Klement said:So, postseason success matters the most to you, but you would prefer the coach that misses the tournament 75% of the time. Makes sense!gunan01 said:I would much rather have the Billy Kennedy years than whatever we have had the last 6 years. I think most Ags feel the same....Zachary Klement said:He missed the tournament six out of the eight seasons he was here. Great success!gunan01 said:Zachary Klement said:What makes you think BK was better than Buzz?jc1402 said:
Its also funny that he said Buzz is the best we'll ever get, when the three guys before him were all better than him here.
We've had better coaches, we can get a better coach.
What makes you think Turgeon was better than Buzz?
I went back and looked at the seasons Turgeon was here, the most ranked teams we played in a season under Turgeon was 9, most years it was 5-7. This year, we played 9 ranked teams in conference play alone and 11 total. The SEC that Buzz coaches in is better than the Big 12 Turgeon coached in and the SEC BK coached in.
In your mind, is a coach better solely because they made it to the Sweet 16 more than another coach?
lol what makes someone think that BK was better than Buzz???
How about a conference title, two sweet 16s, the greatest comeback in NCAA basketball history (not just tournament) vs N Iowa, and the greatest single win in Texas A&M history (2nd round 2018 vs defending champ UNC).
Buzz has done NONE of that. He's all smoke and mirrors. He had a chance to change the narrative this year in the tourney, but to this point he's accomplished nothing of significance at A&M.
Those 2016 and 2018 runs were magical, I still watch highlights of Northern Iowa (2016) and UNC (2018). 2007 was awesome too.
I'm not asking for BK back, but if Buzz doesn't get to the Sweet 16 with THIS team, I'd rather let some other guy have a shot....
Those runs are special to me too, probably the best sports memories I have from my time at A&M.
Kennedy is propped up significantly because he managed to get himself into a situation where his coaching had nearly zero impact on a group of NBA players outclassing and flustering a small major team with zero talent into the most improbable win in ncaa history. He then got absolutely waxed by OU in the sweet 16.
BK being better than Buzz is such a ridiculous thing to believe that there's no point arguing against it. It's like a flat earther. To believe it means either your brain is wired incorrectly or you're willfully ignoring facts.
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