I said "our fans suck".

I've been to all but 3 games this year, been a season ticket holder for the past 18 years (or was a coach and had free tickets) and have followed the Ags in the NCAAs every time since 2006 except one where we couldn't afford flights to Oregon.

I'd say, I'm qualified to dis our "fans".

And yet we are in the tournament easily this year without an auto bid. So maybe just 40 maximum in any given year that are better.

Good point, bobinator!

Billy Kennedy's post-season success is somewhat similar to former A&M baseball coach Rob Childress' post-season success. One of BK's most improbable wins came against a mid-major on the first weekend. If not for a one in a million (billion?) comeback, we're never even thinking about having this conversation. Similarly, one of Childress' College World Series runs came when we got possibly the most favorable regional pairing in Aggie baseball history. We were sent to Houston's regional as the #3 seed where Baylor was the #2 seed. UH probably shouldn't have been a host, but they made it. Baylor shouldn't have been a 2-seed, but they got over-seeded. Some would argue A&M shouldn't have gotten an at-large bid at all. We managed to beat the relatively weak field...then caught possibly the biggest break in college baseball playoff history when lowly #4 Davidson somehow knocked off national #1 seed North Carolina in that regional. Davidson then had to come to Olsen for the super regional in a match up no one...and I mean NO ONE saw coming. Ags took care of a bad Davidson team, got to the CWS...and promptly went 0-2 in Omaha. But Childress got a CWS feather in his cap, similar to Kennedy getting a S16 trip to his credit. Did either deserve the accolades? Debatable. But there are lots of folks that say "nothing matters but the post-season"...and if that's the case, both Kennedy and Childress met the criteria.

If the A&M baseball program is any indication, the post-season matters greatly to our athletic department. I say that because we hung Rob Childress' jersey number on the outfield fence next to Tom Chandler's and Mark Johnson's. Doesn't make sense to me, but it sends the message of "don't worry about the overall job you did while leading the program...just get onto the national stage a few times without actually winning anything meaningful and you'll be good."

To some extent accomplishments you believe in can be celebrated. It is the flaws in the decision making are the problem.

jeremy said:

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I said "our fans suck".

I've been to all but 3 games this year, been a season ticket holder for the past 18 years (or was a coach and had free tickets) and have followed the Ags in the NCAAs every time since 2006 except one where we couldn't afford flights to Oregon.

I'd say, I'm qualified to dis our "fans".

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You one of those fans behind the players that just sits still and falls asleep all game?
I'd love to be able to go to more games, but just not worth the travel. awesome you do though

I'm not so sure about the Childress comp.

Childress was in the postseason 13/15 seasons at A&M (throwing out the COVID year...we started 15-3, surely we would have then too, though), he made it to the supers six times, he won the, Big 12 conference tournament thrice, finished the regular season in first in the Big 12 twice, won the SEC Tournament once, and made it to the CWS twice.

BK made the postseason in 25% of his seasons here. It is an insult to Childress to compare him to BK.

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I'm convinced this AD is on a mission to tear it all down like Musk is doing. That's all good for the federal government but not my universities athletic department. If we get bounced first game, it's happening. Losing Schloss was the canary in the coal mine.

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Neither plan is good.

No, I'm the obnoxious one who flexes like a moron and jumps up and down like a teenager with every good play.

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I'm not so sure about the Childress comp.

Childress was in the postseason 13/15 seasons at A&M (throwing out the COVID year...we started 15-3, surely we would have then too, though), he made it to the supers six times, he won the, Big 12 conference tournament thrice, finished the regular season in first in the Big 12 twice, won the SEC Tournament once, and made it to the CWS twice.

BK made the postseason in 25% of his seasons here. It is an insult to Childress to compare him to BK.

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Possibly so. But given the time, effort, and support our administration put behind our baseball team during the Childress years, it would be almost criminal for us *not* to make the post-season 13 of 15 years. Compare that to the amount of time, effort, and support our athletic department has put towards basketball over the past 125 years. It's an apples-to-oranges comparison.

Believe me...I'm not advocating for hanging Kennedy's name from the rafters or anything like that. What I'm saying is that once you figure in some factors beyond his control - being a late hire after Turge ditched us well after the season ended, his Parkinson's diagnosis shortly after he took the A&M job, and the general lack of effort our athletic department shows to the hoops program, it's a wonder he made the post-season at all.

During his time as baseball coach, Childress was handed the keys to a Cadillac and turned it into a...well...Cadillac.

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BK being better than Buzz is such a ridiculous thing to believe that there's no point arguing against it. It's like a flat earther. To believe it means either your brain is wired incorrectly or you're willfully ignoring facts.

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Or, more likely, that you only paid attention to 6 specific games over 8 seasons.

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First time on the basketball forum?

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I'm convinced this AD is on a mission to tear it all down like Musk is doing. That's all good for the federal government but not my universities athletic department. If we get bounced first game, it's happening. Losing Schloss was the canary in the coal mine.

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I will donate a lot of money to get Buzz out of here. Don't you ever compare him to Schloss in terms of coaching. Schloss had a Top 10 or Top 5 class every year and got us to the World Series finale. Buzz can't even get Top 25 recruiting classes. We're a joke in basketball every year even in Buzz's one good year where he makes it to a 2nd wkd which is still light-years from a trophy.

Well great news, if you've got enough money I'm sure they'll take you up on that buddy.

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Hes the 7th highest paid in our own conference. I'd say the current results are pretty on par with that, even maybe a little better

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This is wildly disingenuous. He's a rounding error away from #4.

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Lmao. Explains how he always loses in the 1st or 2nd round basically. Having a decently-good season in the SEC isn't impressive if you lose in the only games that really matter in the end.

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BK being better than Buzz is such a ridiculous thing to believe that there's no point arguing against it. It's like a flat earther. To believe it means either your brain is wired incorrectly or you're willfully ignoring facts.

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Comparing the two is like comparing Sumlin and Sherman. Who gives a sh*t which is better? They both suck. Good lord

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The sooner y'all realize Buzz is the best A&M will ever get, the better off you'll all be. Considering how awful A&M is at basketball NIL, facilities, fan support, and everything that's required to build a winning program, it's really pretty miraculous that Buzz (and Kennedy, and Turge, and BCG) have had the success they've had.

We are not Duke and never will be. Until our fans get as serious about basketball NIL as they are about football NIL, what we have now is our absolute ceiling.

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so Arkansas, Alabama, and Auburn could be great at basketball but not A&M. Lol. Gtfo
Stop hiring coaches who can't recruit in basketball. It's that simple. Not that Buzz is good at the in-game stuff. But he's awful at recruiting and always has. AD just hires people bad at recruiting in basketball every single time. Lol

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If you have the cash to get us to the next level…then my man, nothing these days is stopping you. I am a big Buzz supporter, but if you and your buddies can front the donation for a HOF coach and some five stars, then by all means please do so.

*the five stars are prob more important than the coach, in case you need to prioritize your expenses.

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The sooner y'all realize Buzz is the best A&M will ever get, the better off you'll all be. Considering how awful A&M is at basketball NIL, facilities, fan support, and everything that's required to build a winning program, it's really pretty miraculous that Buzz (and Kennedy, and Turge, and BCG) have had the success they've had.

We are not Duke and never will be. Until our fans get as serious about basketball NIL as they are about football NIL, what we have now is our absolute ceiling.

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so Arkansas, Alabama, and Auburn could be great at basketball but not A&M. Lol. Gtfo
Stop hiring coaches who can't recruit in basketball. It's that simple. Not that Buzz is good at the in-game stuff. But he's awful at recruiting and always has. AD just hires people bad at recruiting in basketball every single time. Lol

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If you have the cash to get us to the next level…then my man, nothing these days is stopping you. I am a big Buzz supporter, but if you and your buddies can front the donation for a HOF coach and some five stars, then please do so!

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We could get a much better coach for the price we pay Buzz. Don't act like Musselman at Arkansas was expensive when he turned them around.

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We could get a much better coach for the price we pay Buzz. Don't act like Musselman at Arkansas was expensive when he turned them around.

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I'm not the one claiming to throw around the cash here. How's Muss doing out west this year btw?

There are a lot of monetary reasons why we don't recruit at the level they do.

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While I don't think Buzz will ever get it done here, I don't have any faith that we'd hire anyone better….

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This is 100 percent how I feel and it's very frustrating. It's our own darn fault. We just don't support basketball enough from the students to the alumni. I'm definitely part of the problem and not the solution, if I'm being honest.

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I'm convinced this AD is on a mission to tear it all down like Musk is doing. That's all good for the federal government but not my universities athletic department. If we get bounced first game, it's happening. Losing Schloss was the canary in the coal mine.

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I will donate a lot of money to get Buzz out of here. Don't you ever compare him to Schloss in terms of coaching. Schloss had a Top 10 or Top 5 class every year and got us to the World Series finale. Buzz can't even get Top 25 recruiting classes. We're a joke in basketball every year even in Buzz's one good year where he makes it to a 2nd wkd which is still light-years from a trophy.

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Take you $10k straight to the AD and go get us Pearl

They'll be gone soon. Losing to Texas sends their emotions into a flurry even a preteen girl would be ashamed of.

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That's why "Only the postseason matters" as an argument is a stupid argument even if you truly believe in it. The way to repeat postseason success is by having lots of good teams, and especially ones that make it to the postseason in the first place. Distilling hundreds of games down to a handful of results, means you're ignoring a mountain of data and drawing your conclusions on a handful of sand. These same people also block out sections of coaches entire careers with various justifications. "BK has more NCAA wins than Buzz!!" is repeatedly trumpeted as some kind of meaningful fact, but when you look at all the data you threw out to draw that conclusion, it isnt even close. Buzz Williams has won more than twice as many NCAA tournament games as Kennedy in 4 fewer total seasons as a head coach.

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I'll never understand these types of arguments. "But Jimbo won a national championship at Florida St so he's a great coach!" Lol

Speaking of "meaningful facts", what's Buzz's record at A&M?. Buzz's overall career record is irrelevant to whether or not we should let him walk or not if he loses before the Sweet 16. He's had SIX seasons to prove his worth. No one cares if he has won twice as many tournament games as Billy Kennedy at other destinations. Btw it's sad that he even has to be compared to the feeble BK, he should've lapped him by now.

He doesn't have to be compared to BK, people are just choosing to compare them. He's very obviously better.

Obviously you have more bona fides on this board than any other poster, so I respect your opinion. Buzz is a better coach than BK. But his lack of conference titles and poor postseason showings while at A&M is a glaring black mark on his tenure and his overall career. Hopefully that changes this year.

I think buzz is a great coach who just needs to change his offensive ideology a bit.

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I think buzz is a great coach who just needs to change his offensive ideology a bit.

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A bit? How do you propose he does that and maintains his strengths but also magically finds good shooters?

TheDecadeSapling said:

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I think buzz is a great coach who just needs to change his offensive ideology a bit.

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Buzz isn't changing