AggieCrew44 said:

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Aggies2009 said:

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I didn't understand why Maryland wanted him (especially at the price they paid).

I honestly didn't understand why we wanted him at the price WE paid.

Water under the bridge. It's nice to have Bucky here now. Buzz games were just not fun, even in wins. Similar to Jimbo outside of 2020.

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I'll never understand how "wins" weren't fun

Watching us beat #2 Bama and #1 Auburn at home was pretty ****ing fun

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I don't even remember that (or care), because we lose in the 1st or 2nd round.

Ag1188 said:

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AggieCrew44 said:

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Aggies2009 said:

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I didn't understand why Maryland wanted him (especially at the price they paid).

I honestly didn't understand why we wanted him at the price WE paid.

Water under the bridge. It's nice to have Bucky here now. Buzz games were just not fun, even in wins. Similar to Jimbo outside of 2020.

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I'll never understand how "wins" weren't fun

Watching us beat #2 Bama and #1 Auburn at home was pretty ****ing fun

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I don't even remember that (or care), because we lose in the 1st or 2nd round.

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If all you care about is one weekend every year you aren't a college basketball fan

Respectfully

It matters the most but this idea that you can't enjoy a season without a run in a single elimination tournament is annoying as ****

Not that I want to gatekeep it. I want all those people to show up and be fair weather fans too, but their opinion on how the coach is doing based on their perception of the outcome of one game a season (because lets be real, those people arent counting beating Yale, for example) should be dismissed. Coaching is a season and really year long process and has to be evaluated as such. Why would such a fan even be excited about Bucky now? Hes only ever coached one game at that level.

JJxvi said:

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Not that I want to gatekeep it. I want all those people to show up and be fair weather fans too, but their opinion on how the coach is doing based on their perception of the outcome of one game a season (because lets be real, those people arent counting beating Yale, for example) should be dismissed. Coaching is a season and really year long process and has to be evaluated as such. Why would such a fan even be excited about Bucky now? Hes only ever coached one game at that level.

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It shouldn't be dismissed. The end of the day, it matters the most. I just hate when people just completely dismiss an entire season when one game goes poorly

Like no ****, last years ending sucked. It was also one of the best seasons we've ever had and was very fun to follow. Both can be true

Literally had someone argue with me yesterday that Buzz wasn't better than BK because he didn't make the Sweet 16. It's just an insane way to view the game. Like Buzz is any better a coach if we make another shot in regulation against Houston,

bobinator said:

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Literally had someone argue with me yesterday that Buzz wasn't better than BK because he didn't make the Sweet 16. It's just an insane way to view the game. Like Buzz is any better a coach if we make another shot in regulation against Houston,

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Buzz was more consistent against tougher competition. But neither were fun to watch. BK gets a lot of flak, and I'm not sure he was as bad as people think. We were very spoiled at the time. And he didn't have the ability to bring in any player he wanted any year. He was a decent recruiter and got us loaded up for a run with Williams Hogg, Davis, Gilder, etc to go along with Caruso that he inherited. But something was missing from those teams. Not sure if it was necessarily effort, but we just routinely had lapses in basketball IQ, and some players seemed to just mail it in sometimes. Buzz on the other hand got the most out of every single player effort wise. But he had literally NO IDEA how to coach offense. I'm not sure there's another coach at any level of basketball today lacking in offensive capability as much as him. For as hard as we played, as well as we rebounded, as good as we defended.. it didn't matter. We couldn't score. So if everything didn't go perfect, or the opponent didn't make mistakes, we just weren't going to win. That always showed up in the tournament.

I feel like we actually a coach that truly gets it. Understands how to relate to the players, hold them accountable, get the most out of them, and actually coach them on both sides of the ball to become an elite team. We will see how it pans out. But I haven't felt this good about a coach since Schloss, who.. dbag or not, is a ridiculously good coach.

In a very real way Billy Kennedy seemed like he was as good as the staff he hired around him. The 14-16 may as well have been a dream team of assistants.

It's weird he's somehow better and worse than people think. There were things he was good at, but there's no reason it should take a coach five years to make the tournament. The thing about BK was always that even in years we weren't set up to be particularly good, we still should have been better than we were. Especially 2015, 2017, 2018 and 2019.

He did somehow pilot one of the best teams in school history, but that 2018 season was one of the most frustrating seasons of all time. It was the opposite of last year. Last year was a really good season with a frustrating ending, 2018 was a frustrating season with a great ending.

Yeah that 2018 team was underwhelming from about December on and then made up for it with arguably the greatest game in program history.

And just all of the suspensions. It was absolutely ridiculous. I think it was everyone on the team but Davis and Trocha were suspended at one point that season.

bobinator said:

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Literally had someone argue with me yesterday that Buzz wasn't better than BK because he didn't make the Sweet 16. It's just an insane way to view the game. Like Buzz is any better a coach if we make another shot in regulation against Houston,

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I like Kennedy mostly because of his epic win over northern iowa in the 2016 tourney

that game is basketball equivalent of A&M football epic overtime win over LSU.

Both games are unlikely to be seen ever again.

People just cant handle the fact that sports are extremely random. Buzz Williams doesn't get to coach NCAA Tournament game 30 times with 30 different opponents. If Buzz Williams gets matched up with Kelvin Sampson or Dusty May or whoever, one of those coaches is going to lose. If you play great but the other team is better you will lose. Even if you play great it's still possible to lose due to random other factors outside of your control. Then you have the fact that a coach may have won 12 games and have a winning record but for fringe fans just dismiss that data if they didn't see it happen. "Oh the game must have passed him by, I never saw that!"

OKC~Ag said:

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bobinator said:

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Literally had someone argue with me yesterday that Buzz wasn't better than BK because he didn't make the Sweet 16. It's just an insane way to view the game. Like Buzz is any better a coach if we make another shot in regulation against Houston,

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I like Kennedy mostly because of his epic win over northern iowa in the 2016 tourney

that game is basketball equivalent of A&M football epic overtime win over LSU.

Both games are unlikely to be seen ever again.

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That game is a perfect encapsulation of people on here trying to explain that you can't judge a team or coach based on the tournament alone. If the UNI kid dribbles to the corner instead of dunking the ball with like 30 seconds left, does that suddenly change how good/bad of a coach BK was? No. That would have been a terrible ending to one of the most fun years in our history, but that team was awesome regardless.

buzz was a great "Character Guy". Loved his sense of morality. having said that, I'm Happy he's moved on. Buckyball is much more Fun to watch. Will ultimately, be more successful for Aggies. I see Aggies able to recruit better quality players in the upcoming years.

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Omperlodge said:

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I think you could probably rank Gillespie, Turg, Kennedy, and Buzz in an order 1-4 and be correct. They all had their strengths and weaknesses.

My favorite thing about Kennedy was that we were almost guaranteed a basket coming out of a timeout.

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kennedy was terrible compared to buzz

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Kennedy

.566 record

Two sweet 16s and a conference championship

Buzz

.622 record

Round of 64 and two rounds of 32


Not sure which one I take but it is closer than you think

Between the two of them one got a better job and a raise while the other was fired and became an assistant coach, sooo…. Pretty clear on what the actual market thought.

I mean you didn't even need to know the guy to see that was the case. The dude has arranged his whole life to have a practically military-level schedule.

Halfway surprised he didn't have a full on mental breakdown during COVID.

Omperlodge said:

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BQ_90 said:

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Omperlodge said:

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I think you could probably rank Gillespie, Turg, Kennedy, and Buzz in an order 1-4 and be correct. They all had their strengths and weaknesses.

My favorite thing about Kennedy was that we were almost guaranteed a basket coming out of a timeout.

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kennedy was terrible compared to buzz

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Kennedy

.566 record

Two sweet 16s and a conference championship

Buzz

.622 record

Round of 64 and two rounds of 32


Not sure which one I take but it is closer than you think

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Love BK the human. Got to know him a little as a Rowdy. That's said he went 66-78 in conference games at a time the SEC was not a good hoops conference. It's not even close imo

The real irony is that BK is the only coach since Shelby, IMO, that really wanted to be here, I mean I didn't see him leaving for any other job.

I rooted the hardest for him to be successful, I started watching his teams when is was at Southeastern Louisiana

I wonder how differently the BK era is looked at if 48 hours in Oklahoma City goes a little differently.

What if instead of hitting a halfcourt shot for the win, Northern Iowa loses to Texas, and then we get bounced by Texas? Or if instead of beating Northern Iowa we beat Texas? How big of a swing is that one direction or the other? Knocking Texas out of the NCAA's probably would have gotten him a lifetime contract.

I'm not calling what BK did "miracle runs." We were a 3-seed in 2016, you're supposed to make the Sweet 16 as a three seed. If Northern Iowa does literally anything differently in that last minute, we're talking about one of the best teams in school history getting bounced by an 11 seed.

The only unlikely victory was us beating North Carolina, but to me that was more of a display of how drastically we underperformed for most of the season up to that point.

I can't believe we are still having the BK discussion. And the Buzz conversation too. I'm pretty Sure one thing we can all agree on is neither met expectations. Another thing we can agree on is that RIGHT NOW, we all think Bucky is gonna be great. I just hope in 5 years we still think the same thing.

Bye date has people in their feelings

I , like many, was so ready for a change.

yes, i was impressed that Buzz's teams coukd play with almost anyone, even while having little obvious O.

But it just became too much of a grind when you realize we had topped out.

A&M has WAY too much potential to settle for just a regular ncaa tourney appearance, without real chance to make an elite 8.

We are in a new era where almost ALL our programs are not settling fir less than a real chance to make final 4s