Buzz won't make it to 26/27

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cords12
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With Bucky's early success, and Buzz struggling, it's a lot easier to bash the guy! I'm impressed with Bucky ball, but I'm also gonna wait until we beat a ranked team before I get overly excited about this year's team. That said, I like his style and I think the future is bright.

What I don't get is the crazy amount of hate for Buzz and celebrating his failure. I always liked Buzz and his last three Aggie teams were very solid teams. Celebrating another's failure is what weak cowards do. Just sayin.
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Buzz was about Buzz. Let's focus on Buckyball!!

Its really amazing how quickly the Maryland media has figured him out.
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cords12 said:

With Bucky's early success, and Buzz struggling, it's a lot easier to bash the guy! I'm impressed with Bucky ball, but I'm also gonna wait until we beat a ranked team before I get overly excited about this year's team. That said, I like his style and I think the future is bright.

What I don't get is the crazy amount of hate for Buzz and celebrating his failure. I always liked Buzz and his last three Aggie teams were very solid teams. Celebrating another's failure is what weak cowards do. Just sayin.


This wasn't really the point of your post but harping over "ranked" wins is a big gripe of mine.

We now have 3 Q1A wins, all on the road. That is the highest tier of wins in the eyes of the committee. They don't factor in the other team's rank at time of game at all.
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It is very interesting and hard to dissect why that is occurring.

I am sure buzz is a competent coach and yet result vs bucky current results are just mind boggling. ( delight for us)

In my limited understanding, the best I can say is that sometimes, the universe likes you and you are just living right
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I don't mind piling on here. Buzz is a "fine" coach and probably met the expectations that BMAs had for him considering that most of them care more about football than basketball. If he doesn't leave for Maryland we might have had him for 4-5 more years before any serious grumbling started as long as he kept making the tournament.

But, as a more than casual fan with a lot of playing experience, the things he focused on as a coach were inexplicable.

Free throw miss offensive rebounding?

Overloading your man to man defense on the ball side? (Why do we want to force a ball reversal to an open shooter and force our defense to scramble?)

Running the first to the floor drill in warmups?


It's like from the beginning of the game plan we'd established that we can't make our own free throws, we can't actually guard our own man one on one without those overloads and that we're going to cough up a lot of loose balls that we have to hop on. Essentially we suck and our coach has prepared us for how to respond to our suckage.

It's just a loser's approach masquerading as coaching around the margins using 'analytics.'
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As much as Buzz frustrated me down the stretch here, I don't think he's a bad coach and wouldn't be surprised at all if he retools next year with a shifted identity and his team succeeds.
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damn, buzz got the brakes beat off his ass v. Purdue. 30 pt loss. wow.
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Very glad he's not our coach. Does not mean I wish him ill, but he quickly became unlikable coach who clearly did not get A&M. In these parts, that actually matters.
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At home on 8 days rest
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Bunk Moreland said:

As much as Buzz frustrated me down the stretch here, I don't think he's a bad coach and wouldn't be surprised at all if he retools next year with a shifted identity and his team succeeds.


He never really succeeded here, you have to at least make a sweet 16 for your tenure to be considered a success IMO.

He's been a head coach since 2008 and he has just one conference championship with a 12-11 record in the tournament. He's a gimmick head coach and it's time to just move on from this guy.
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Judging a coach purely by how they do in a single elimination tourney remains a fool's errand, yet people still do it
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So Mark Turgeon, only coach to make four tournaments and went 4/4, not successful?
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Buzz was magically successful here now if we score one more regulation point against Houston

Or Danny Wolf rolls his ankle in the first half last season

But because they didn't, he isn't
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I thought Buzz couldn't recruit.
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AggieCrew44 said:

Judging a coach purely by how they do in a single elimination tourney remains a fool's errand, yet people still do it


It's a six year sample size, and it's literally the goal every year to go as far as you can in the tournament
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HoustonAg2106 said:

AggieCrew44 said:

Judging a coach purely by how they do in a single elimination tourney remains a fool's errand, yet people still do it


It's a six year sample size, and it's literally the goal every year to go as far as you can in the tournament
If all that matters is how far you go in March, you aren't a college basketball fan, you are a March madness fan

Yes the tourney matters the most. No one denying that. It also remains a dumb way to singularly judge a coach. It's just a data point
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AggieCrew44 said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

AggieCrew44 said:

Judging a coach purely by how they do in a single elimination tourney remains a fool's errand, yet people still do it


It's a six year sample size, and it's literally the goal every year to go as far as you can in the tournament
If all that matters is how far you go in March, you aren't a college basketball fan, you are a March madness fan

Yes the tourney matters the most. No one denying that. It also remains a dumb way to singularly judge a coach. It's just a data point


Get off your high horse. Every coach is judged by how successful they are in March. The best coaches in the game also happen to have success in the tournament. They also happen to consistently get 1-3 seeds which helps in the path to the sweet 16 and beyond. Buzz never did that either. I also pointed out that he won his conference as a head coach one time in 17 years, that is not impressive
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HoustonAg2106 said:

AggieCrew44 said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

AggieCrew44 said:

Judging a coach purely by how they do in a single elimination tourney remains a fool's errand, yet people still do it


It's a six year sample size, and it's literally the goal every year to go as far as you can in the tournament
If all that matters is how far you go in March, you aren't a college basketball fan, you are a March madness fan

Yes the tourney matters the most. No one denying that. It also remains a dumb way to singularly judge a coach. It's just a data point


Get off your high horse. Every coach is judged by how successful they are in March. The best coaches in the game also happen to have success in the tournament. They also happen to consistently get 1-3 seeds which helps in the path to the sweet 16 and beyond. Buzz never did that either
It's not a high horse

I literally said it's important. It still just remains one data point (a big one obviously). Putting all your eggs in that one basket still remains a fool's errand
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We likely aren't going to be raising any banners to the rafters but Buzz will win games. He's got a track record. But, the "Buzz Ball" cultural fit, I'm afraid is going to be an ongoing issue throughout his UMD tenure. As fans, donors, supporters, we seemed to have lost ownership of our MBB program. It's now his team. Not ours. We can go along for the ride, if we want but he doesn't care or need us if we decide not to. And, if that's the case, you dam sure better win.

This is on school President Dr. Pines for allowing an interim AD with one foot out the door to make a rushed, safe revenue sports hire that simply doesn't seem to be a fit with UMD-CP + Terp Nation in any way, shape or form.

Now, new AD Jim Smith is tasked with cleaning up this mess along with the greater athletic department issues he inherited. The man is a forward thinking leader with a high sports business acumen. But, he's not a magician.

Buzz can continue to insulate + distance himself outside everyone in his bubble, It's hIs program and he can run it the way he wants. But, the win/loss margin of error is virtually zero if you do that. Don't ask me to support you, when you lose.. If you don't care or are irreverent towards me and the rest of the fan base. I can play that game just as well as you.

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Just consolidating some Buzz posts if this is going to be the universal Buzz feed.
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Buzz Williams assistant Chambers' projects is designing the program's 12 annual quote shirts. He finds a life lesson and thinks of creative ways to make it resonate with players and staff.

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He definitely didn't come hot out the gate here either. I think the way he tries to build a program is a bit of a slow churn, he tries to get guys to buy into him so that he doesn't have an annual revolving door. Helps him avoid the work of totally rebuilding the roster every offseason.

And he could get away with that pre-transfer era or at a school that isn't infatuated with basketball, like A&M. But at Maryland, or most B1G schools, that won't fly. You've gotta have an approach to show progress starting in year 1. Maybe it works out if they give him 3 years, I just don't think they will.
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"Overloading your man to man defense on the ball side? (Why do we want to force a ball reversal to an open shooter and force our defense to scramble?"



THIS!! Buzz got the kids to play hard defense. But his strategy was/is antiquated. The goal should be to force as many mid-range shots as possible and not leave wide open 3-point shooters upon a simple ball reversal.

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Did not know Buzz could write a letter without 75% of the message being in emojis.
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Director of Process, is like assistant to the regional manager.
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They actually made a video of Buzz writing a sappy note to a player and then posted it on social media? That's just weird.
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FWIW I think the Maryland 247 guy is basically trolling by sharing Buzz's bits
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Holy **** that dumbass mailbox segment...

Now I've gotta find that entire episode


Bozo buzz is the gift that keeps giving
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AggieCrew44 said:

Judging a coach purely by how they do in a single elimination tourney remains a fool's errand, yet people still do it


See Sean McDermott

Dude was a consistent winner in the regular season with multiple division titles but continually failed in the playoff

Result?

Fired

Eventually you need to do some damage in the postseason or you'll be thought to have hit your ceiling and will get the boot

Marty Schottenheimer was another one who was really good in the regular season but a failure in the playoffs and got the boot because of it


Those are both nfl examples, but the same can be said for college hoops

Why do you think calipari jumped to Arkansas?

Because he was failing in March and knew that one more March failure and he'd be fired

So he reset his clock at Arkansas
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AggieCrew44 said:

Judging a coach purely by how they do in a single elimination tourney remains a fool's errand, yet people still do it

they probably do it because they have 30 data points over a period of 18 years?


Look, Mike Elko is an awesome coach with overwhelming approval, but if he kept losing games in November and not advancing in the college playoffs, he'd eventually be judged on that alone.
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I don't think he was too worried about getting fired. Kentucky would have owed him a boatload of money.

But Arkansas is a perfectly good place to coach also and it was definitely to the point where everyone was better off with a fresh start.

Kind of the situation we were in with Buzz though they'd have owned Calipari even more money. People might have been over it and wanted to move on but the coach had to choose to leave and find somewhere to take on his big salary.
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NyAggie said:

AggieCrew44 said:

Judging a coach purely by how they do in a single elimination tourney remains a fool's errand, yet people still do it


See Sean McDermott

Dude was a consistent winner in the regular season with multiple division titles but continually failed in the playoff

Result?

Fired

Eventually you need to do some damage in the postseason or you'll be thought to have hit your ceiling and will get the boot

Marty Schottenheimer was another one who was really good in the regular season but a failure in the playoffs and got the boot because of it


Those are both nfl examples, but the same can be said for college hoops

Why do you think calipari jumped to Arkansas?

Because he was failing in March and knew that one more March failure and he'd be fired

So he reset his clock at Arkansas

Football and basketball/march madness are not even remotely the same

It would probably take me 5, 6, maybe 7 runs at the tourney with first round exits before i go "you know what maybe this isn't going to get much better and we should go a different direction".

The best predictor of a deep tourney run is how often you get there. You'll eventually break through.
Divining Rod
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Not sure this is true. But I'm open to seeing your data. I'm sure it's true for a few, but would be interesting to see someone who's not a blueblood program where this was the case (vs the numbers who made it made times and never got past a 16.)
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Inca said:

They actually made a video of Buzz writing a sappy note to a player and then posted it on social media? That's just weird.
Buzz claims to be elected to this kid's fan club in the letter. Lol
 
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