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Sean98 said:

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Maybe he just doesn't want to be in competition with that many arms. Or with the change in pitching coaches, maybe he doesn't align with our needs.

You have to imagine a new position coach did a full evaluation on all the pitchers in the roster as well as the recruiting class. And then he had some hard decisions to make based on what he saw.

all of this plus who enters / who you get from the portal is a total unknown while recruiting high schoolers...
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I'm going to live in a fantasy world for a minute... And to be fair, none of us really knows what happened here. And my statements here are going to be a little over the top. So bear with me.

Who enters the portal (from other teams) should. Not. Matter. Period. A coaches/programs/players word SHOULD matter. And being untrustworthy should be something that coaches and programs become aware of, and they should react accordingly. Write it on the bathroom wall at a coaches convention, post it on Reddit, program it into pitchcom, whatever the current info distribution system is. "Coach Xs word is no good." If you want to keep a few slots open for shiny toys so be it. Tell that HS kid, "I like you, and we MAY have a slot later, but it's not a certainly."

If you recruit a high school player, you give him an offer and he commits, that should be it. And this goes for the player too, although the program theoretically has far more long term reputational damage. The only reason coaches get away with it is because they (almost) all do it. Is like a town with only bad restaurants. You don't lose customers because there's no other options. Just because everyone acts poorly doesn't mean it should be accepted.

When recruiting the transfer portal you should look at the current roster spots and if a kid is committed then that spot is full. If you're going to process someone do it to a current roster player that hasn't performed. At least he had a chance to prove it and didn't.
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I don't disagree in theory, but yeah that is certainly Fantasyland type stuff. It's business, and it's a big, cutthroat business at that, despite any and all protestations that would claim otherwise.

Not to mention that it's evolving with 5 in 5 passing just this week, roster limits last year and portal and NIL just before that...
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NOTE - the 5 in 5 rule gives some draft-eligible juniors an additional year of leverage... you might see some borderline draft-risks come back for a 4th season with this, which I think is great for college baseball. And just the opposite of the quickly and rightfully shutdown proposal from the MLB a couple of weeks ago.
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The closer we get to being able to be in contact with coaches outside of camps, the more we talk about scenarios like this. I'd sure prefer your version!

Many of the older, seasoned coaches remind the athletes of these types of scenarios as well.

At a prospect camp just last week, we talked to a player who had been called on July 4th after his senior year of high school and told by the coach they were parting ways. He had to scramble to find a home at that point.

It does make me grateful there is no more commitment to teams in junior high, etc.
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Keep in mind that good players have it easier than ever to get attention and find a landing spot. They'll be alright if they keep working and don't give up on the process. It's the same for current players - you can lose your roster spot, even your scholarship.
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Joe Deertay said:

Look it sucks for the kid, but I ain't going to be mad at Coach Earley about this… Earley is coaching for his job the next two years, and he has to win now. If him Barry, Cain and Pennington thought this was the right decision.. you have to respect it. And appreciate that they did the hard thing and not the easy thing

I'm not mad at anybody. I've consistently been supportive of Earley throughout this season but it doesn't mean I have to agree with every move he makes. And I disagree with this move for the reasons I gave. We don't know for certain how this kid would have worked out but based on what I saw this year, I would guess he at least has a chance to be better than some of our returning freshmen (which was the Kelly reference…heard he was a lazy recruiter). If he doesn't, then he shouldn't have been offered to begin with. There aren't any guarantees with anyone that hasn't consistently proven it with the lights on in SEC action (ie LSU has lamented their portal class all year).

I also don't believe the narrative that Earley is in a do or die situation. He did a remarkable job this year particularly with the youth movement. We just weren't playing our best late which could be said for multiple teams with established coaches that aren't going anywhere.

In short, Earley has his reasons and he doesn't have to run his decisions by me. But from where I sit, it's a D move that won't move the needle one iota in terms of our pitching.

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But should a new position coach really have to be beholden to an offer made by his predecessor?
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I get what you're saying. And yes, it may be perceived as a D move, but… you could look at it this way too… and we don't know what happened… but what if you were able to build a pitching roster… that you felt was competitive if not massively better then what you were this last year… and you have a chance to land another arm that boosts your ability, and you have to decide to pass, or let go of someone… and you decide to let someone go… and you choose the hard part of letting someone go…. Does that make it a D move? Or just doing your job?
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Naulivou Lauaki Jr. just comitted to Georgia.

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Joe Deertay said:

I get what you're saying. And yes, it may be perceived as a D move, but… you could look at it this way too… and we don't know what happened… but what if you were able to build a pitching roster… that you felt was competitive if not massively better then what you were this last year… and you have a chance to land another arm that boosts your ability, and you have to decide to pass, or let go of someone… and you decide to let someone go… and you choose the hard part of letting someone go…. Does that make it a D move? Or just doing your job?


Both….
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pdg88 said:

Naulivou Lauaki Jr. just comitted to Georgia.



would've liked to have had him but we kinda already have a better fielding version of him in Jorian. This guy hit some bombs but K'd (59) more times than he got on base (54).
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Kwall94 said:

pdg88 said:

Naulivou Lauaki Jr. just comitted to Georgia.



would've liked to have had him but we kinda already have a better fielding version of him in Jorian. This guy hit some bombs but K'd (59) more times than he got on base (54).

UGA has "methods" to turn him into a better hitter
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trouble said:

But should a new position coach really have to be beholden to an offer made by his predecessor?
No. I think coaching changes flip the script for both parties, kids and teams. But I think it should be a hard decision (and maybe it was). That was in the first version of that I typed up on my phone but I accidently deleted somehow because I have the oldz. Guess I didn't get it back in the second version.
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Quite a few of these kinds of "decisions" on twitter-verse / IG today (not Aggie related)
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Kwall94 said:

pdg88 said:

Naulivou Lauaki Jr. just comitted to Georgia.



would've liked to have had him but we kinda already have a better fielding version of him in Jorian. This guy hit some bombs but K'd (59) more times than he got on base (54).

He also pitches and wants to be a 2 way player. Georgia is saying he can do both.
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Feeling optimistic about the pitching staff for next season, but I'm a little concerned about the bats. Obviously Partida, Wilson, Savoie, Kellner, Arroyos, and Bell will be starters, but it seems to me that we still need another 1-2 studs for the batting lineup before we can feel comfortable.
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prob offered him x number of innings to pitch in his nil deal
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Feels like we need 2 more OF. Hopefully one of which has experience or can play CF.
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Sean98 said:

I'm going to live in a fantasy world for a minute... And to be fair, none of us really knows what happened here. And my statements here are going to be a little over the top. So bear with me.

Who enters the portal (from other teams) should. Not. Matter. Period. A coaches/programs/players word SHOULD matter. And being untrustworthy should be something that coaches and programs become aware of, and they should react accordingly. Write it on the bathroom wall at a coaches convention, post it on Reddit, program it into pitchcom, whatever the current info distribution system is. "Coach Xs word is no good." If you want to keep a few slots open for shiny toys so be it. Tell that HS kid, "I like you, and we MAY have a slot later, but it's not a certainly."

If you recruit a high school player, you give him an offer and he commits, that should be it. And this goes for the player too, although the program theoretically has far more long term reputational damage. The only reason coaches get away with it is because they (almost) all do it. Is like a town with only bad restaurants. You don't lose customers because there's no other options. Just because everyone acts poorly doesn't mean it should be accepted.

When recruiting the transfer portal you should look at the current roster spots and if a kid is committed then that spot is full. If you're going to process someone do it to a current roster player that hasn't performed. At least he had a chance to prove it and didn't.

Amen. And if you commit to a school it is for three years,
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AggieNattie said:




That's 2 unannounced for those keeping score
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dermdoc said:

Sean98 said:

I'm going to live in a fantasy world for a minute... And to be fair, none of us really knows what happened here. And my statements here are going to be a little over the top. So bear with me.

Who enters the portal (from other teams) should. Not. Matter. Period. A coaches/programs/players word SHOULD matter. And being untrustworthy should be something that coaches and programs become aware of, and they should react accordingly. Write it on the bathroom wall at a coaches convention, post it on Reddit, program it into pitchcom, whatever the current info distribution system is. "Coach Xs word is no good." If you want to keep a few slots open for shiny toys so be it. Tell that HS kid, "I like you, and we MAY have a slot later, but it's not a certainly."

If you recruit a high school player, you give him an offer and he commits, that should be it. And this goes for the player too, although the program theoretically has far more long term reputational damage. The only reason coaches get away with it is because they (almost) all do it. Is like a town with only bad restaurants. You don't lose customers because there's no other options. Just because everyone acts poorly doesn't mean it should be accepted.

When recruiting the transfer portal you should look at the current roster spots and if a kid is committed then that spot is full. If you're going to process someone do it to a current roster player that hasn't performed. At least he had a chance to prove it and didn't.

Amen. And if you commit to a school it is for three years,

I don't know that it needs to be for a set/specific number of years. Just treat it like free agency. Sign a contract. You can offer 1-5 years. But it binds both ways. Either side ends it and there's an early termination penalty. Years becomes part of the negotiation.

Personally I think all NCAA sports needs to move to what the MLB is currently proposing. Set a floor and a ceiling on NIL salary sport by sport. If a team breaks the contract with a player then the amount remaining on the contract counts as dead money against your cap. If a big team poaches a kid from a little team then they have to pay the termination penalty to the little team and that amount counts against the cap for the big team while putting $$ in the pocket if the little team that can be used for NIL. It would take some statutory changes but it's doable (if not likely).
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I am okay with that.
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Joe Deertay said:

I get what you're saying. And yes, it may be perceived as a D move, but… you could look at it this way too… and we don't know what happened… but what if you were able to build a pitching roster… that you felt was competitive if not massively better then what you were this last year… and you have a chance to land another arm that boosts your ability, and you have to decide to pass, or let go of someone… and you decide to let someone go… and you choose the hard part of letting someone go…. Does that make it a D move? Or just doing your job?

You make good points. But, unless we're making room for the next Nolan Ryan it's hard to imagine this being the difference between having a great pitching staff and a below average one. Anyway, what's done is done.
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Sean98 said:

dermdoc said:

Sean98 said:

I'm going to live in a fantasy world for a minute... And to be fair, none of us really knows what happened here. And my statements here are going to be a little over the top. So bear with me.

Who enters the portal (from other teams) should. Not. Matter. Period. A coaches/programs/players word SHOULD matter. And being untrustworthy should be something that coaches and programs become aware of, and they should react accordingly. Write it on the bathroom wall at a coaches convention, post it on Reddit, program it into pitchcom, whatever the current info distribution system is. "Coach Xs word is no good." If you want to keep a few slots open for shiny toys so be it. Tell that HS kid, "I like you, and we MAY have a slot later, but it's not a certainly."

If you recruit a high school player, you give him an offer and he commits, that should be it. And this goes for the player too, although the program theoretically has far more long term reputational damage. The only reason coaches get away with it is because they (almost) all do it. Is like a town with only bad restaurants. You don't lose customers because there's no other options. Just because everyone acts poorly doesn't mean it should be accepted.

When recruiting the transfer portal you should look at the current roster spots and if a kid is committed then that spot is full. If you're going to process someone do it to a current roster player that hasn't performed. At least he had a chance to prove it and didn't.

Amen. And if you commit to a school it is for three years,

I don't know that it needs to be for a set/specific number of years. Just treat it like free agency. Sign a contract. You can offer 1-5 years. But it binds both ways. Either side ends it and there's an early termination penalty. Years becomes part of the negotiation.

Personally I think all NCAA sports needs to move to what the MLB is currently proposing. Set a floor and a ceiling on NIL salary sport by sport. If a team breaks the contract with a player then the amount remaining on the contract counts as dead money against your cap. If a big team poaches a kid from a little team then they have to pay the termination penalty to the little team and that amount counts against the cap for the big team while putting $$ in the pocket if the little team that can be used for NIL. It would take some statutory changes but it's doable (if not likely).


Legally you cannot set a ceiling on NIL. I highly doubt the MLB is proposing that as it would break all kinds of laws in this country.

Ohtani currently makes about $125 million per year in NIL (corporate endorsements). You're telling me the MLB is going to say he isn't allowed to make that much money?
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I like this idea.
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Poorly stated perhaps. I simply meant a salary floor/cap that MLB is proposing. And in college that salary is primarily NIL.
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Sean98 said:

Poorly stated perhaps. I simply meant a salary floor/cap. And in college that salary is NIL.
You might want to distinguish between NIL paid by the university in support of the House settlement directly to student athletes notionally based on their value in our marketing (but really just a revenue distribution of about $20.3 million which is a hard cap and some of that covers the new scholarship roster spots) as opposed external NIL from say Nike or Coca Cola which are representation deals based on the notoriety of specific athletes like celebrity basketball players or the more famous good medalists or pro football stars.

The gray area is when there is a lack of clarity on why a private sponsor wants a deal with a college athlete and it might smell like a booster or direct pay for play. The College Sports Commission has been trying to keep THOSE contracts orderly but not necessarily to impose a cap. Just to weed out boosters and pay for play.

But when someone $20.5 million that isn't a grant-in-aid is given to a student athlete notionally in compensation for past anti-trust violations it behaves exactly like pay for play for current students that weren't directly harmed previously???

Said differently: it's complicated…
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Sean98 said:

dermdoc said:

Sean98 said:

I'm going to live in a fantasy world for a minute... And to be fair, none of us really knows what happened here. And my statements here are going to be a little over the top. So bear with me.

Who enters the portal (from other teams) should. Not. Matter. Period. A coaches/programs/players word SHOULD matter. And being untrustworthy should be something that coaches and programs become aware of, and they should react accordingly. Write it on the bathroom wall at a coaches convention, post it on Reddit, program it into pitchcom, whatever the current info distribution system is. "Coach Xs word is no good." If you want to keep a few slots open for shiny toys so be it. Tell that HS kid, "I like you, and we MAY have a slot later, but it's not a certainly."

If you recruit a high school player, you give him an offer and he commits, that should be it. And this goes for the player too, although the program theoretically has far more long term reputational damage. The only reason coaches get away with it is because they (almost) all do it. Is like a town with only bad restaurants. You don't lose customers because there's no other options. Just because everyone acts poorly doesn't mean it should be accepted.

When recruiting the transfer portal you should look at the current roster spots and if a kid is committed then that spot is full. If you're going to process someone do it to a current roster player that hasn't performed. At least he had a chance to prove it and didn't.

Amen. And if you commit to a school it is for three years,

I don't know that it needs to be for a set/specific number of years. Just treat it like free agency. Sign a contract. You can offer 1-5 years. But it binds both ways. Either side ends it and there's an early termination penalty. Years becomes part of the negotiation.

Personally I think all NCAA sports needs to move to what the MLB is currently proposing. Set a floor and a ceiling on NIL salary sport by sport. If a team breaks the contract with a player then the amount remaining on the contract counts as dead money against your cap. If a big team poaches a kid from a little team then they have to pay the termination penalty to the little team and that amount counts against the cap for the big team while putting $$ in the pocket if the little team that can be used for NIL. It would take some statutory changes but it's doable (if not likely).

I don't think many people would disagree that some structure that encourages loyalty would be appreciated. That said, we know that is not the environment players, coaches, admin, leagues, schools are operating in.

All of these individuals have jobs to protect and most have dependents. In this environment you make moves to maximize the probability that your job performance is among the highest performers (to the degree you are not breaking rules or laws). It is a product of the accepted process.

While it is unpleasant to observe, I do not see this as a "D" move. It is all part of the current process. Does not mean you like it. Does not mean you do not have empathy for those caught in the wake.
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Sean98 said:

Poorly stated perhaps. I simply meant a salary floor/cap that MLB is proposing. And in college that salary is primarily NIL.


If you are referring to the revenue sharing distribution to the players then there is already a cap on that.

All NIL compensation beyond that really cannot be stopped legally. That would be like the NFL telling Pat Mahomes he is in too many State Farm commercials and making too much money
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HoustonAg2106 said:

Sean98 said:

Poorly stated perhaps. I simply meant a salary floor/cap that MLB is proposing. And in college that salary is primarily NIL.


If you are referring to the revenue sharing distribution to the players then there is already a cap on that.

All NIL compensation beyond that really cannot be stopped legally. That would be like the NFL telling Pat Mahomes he is in too many State Farm commercials and making too much money

True. But the collectives and various "NIL" bodies are really just recruiting extensions and not NIL in spirit at all. Not sure how the NCAA or whatever comes next can address this but this is the major difference between State Farm paying Mahomes and Cody Campbell paying $1M for a softball pitcher.
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Sean98 said:

Poorly stated perhaps. I simply meant a salary floor/cap that MLB is proposing. And in college that salary is primarily NIL.

Salary Cap isn't legal unless the players are made employees and collectively bargain with the NCAA/conferences. And they currently have zero incentive to agree to anything as they hold all the power.
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RED AG 98 said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

Sean98 said:

Poorly stated perhaps. I simply meant a salary floor/cap that MLB is proposing. And in college that salary is primarily NIL.


If you are referring to the revenue sharing distribution to the players then there is already a cap on that.

All NIL compensation beyond that really cannot be stopped legally. That would be like the NFL telling Pat Mahomes he is in too many State Farm commercials and making too much money

True. But the collectives and various "NIL" bodies are really just recruiting extensions and not NIL in spirit at all. Not sure how the NCAA or whatever comes next can address this but this is the major difference between State Farm paying Mahomes and Cody Campbell paying $1M for a softball pitcher.


I just don't see how you can stop it.

What if the CEO was a big Chiefs fan and told Mahomes he can get those deals only if he stays in KC?

Does that mean the NFL can now tell him he can't be endorsed by State Farm?

What's wild is that rich people are so passionate about college sports that they are willing to pay that much money but there aren't as many rich people passionate enough to try to do it for their favorite pro teams.


If Aaron Judge was a free agent this year what would stop some rich billionaire who is a huge fan of the Cardinals for example from saying if you come to St. Louis not only will you get a contract from the Cardinals but I'll also give you some huge pile of money on top of that to be endorsed by my company
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Hunter Bond has medically retired from baseball
 
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