Edmond's planet didn't have a time dilation just like Mann's planet didn't. Only the tidal planet did. Brand would have only been time dilated with Cooper when they sling-shotted around it. I also don't even know how Murphy would have KNOWN they had to go to Edmond's planet unless they sent updates after the explosion of the main ship and before they sling-shotted, or Cooper passed it along in the watch data.


I never met my grandfather. My dad respected him and that alone would make me want to ask tons of questions, and he wasn't an astronaut that went out on a mission to save the world. Murphy wouldn't have bad mouthed him after she realized he save them. She would have made he out to be the greatest person in the world especially to her own kids. They should have at least had the family look aw struck when he walked in the room instead of just like, oh some guy.

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I found that odd too - here you have a guy who traveled through a black hole, a worm hole and to several distant planets...but he walks in and gets a big "meh" from all the frat star dads.

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The thing is, no one knows about that. Remember Murph said that everyone thought she just did it on her own (solving gravity). He's essentially a failed astronaut returning from his mission who, to their point of view, sort of abandoned humanity.

That's a great point

They are also at their mother's/grandmother's death bed. They might be a little emotionally drained.

I feel there's actually a great story to be told in a sequel. Exploring a legitimate interstellar colonization effort in a movie is ripe for the pickin.

Directed by........... Uwe Boll

Please let that movie happen.

Ok. I get how gravity/time interact (relativity), but answer me this: could a massive electromagnetic field replicate gravity and achieve similar "time displacement"?

No one?

**** if I know

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Finally saw it tonight, mind blown. Outstanding movie. I'll watch someone make a sandwich if Christopher Nolan has something to do with it.

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Ok. I get how gravity/time interact (relativity), but answer me this: could a massive electromagnetic field replicate gravity and achieve similar "time displacement"?

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Do you mean the time dilation experienced from descending to the planet near the black hole? I've never heard of electromagnet fields having that effect, but other things that cause a similar effect include moving at incredibly fast speeds. For example, if you managed to move at 99.9% the speed of light, one minute for you might be an hour for somebody else (or whatever the time ratio would be).

I can't believe my biggest issue wasn't already brought up. With there not even being operable MRIs, how did NASA make muscle atrophy a non-issue for their cryo-sleep chambers? Matt Damon shouldn't have been able to walk around let alone challenge a more physically fit Cooper in a space suit fight.

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Ok. I get how gravity/time interact (relativity), but answer me this: could a massive electromagnetic field replicate gravity and achieve similar "time displacement"?

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Do you mean the time dilation experienced from descending to the planet near the black hole? I've never heard of electromagnet fields having that effect, but other things that cause a similar effect include moving at incredibly fast speeds. For example, if you managed to move at 99.9% the speed of light, one minute for you might be an hour for somebody else (or whatever the time ratio would be).

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That is what I am referring to.

Apparently Einstein stumbled onto the theory of relativity by studying into EMFs (Faraday's Law vs Lorentz force).

Im starting to think its incredibly possible if USS Armstrong is floating in space and a interacts with an electromagnetic event they will have a similar experience to Hathaway and McConaughey on the water planet while the rest of age. The length of spacetime change for the Armstrong is dependent on the strength of the EMF.

The four fundamental forces of interaction from most strong to least: strong interaction, electromagnetism, weak interaction, then gravity. And gravity and electromagnetism are theorized to be the only two where distance cannot separate two objects from the force. We are constantly being influenced (ever so slightly) by the gravitation and electromagnetic field of the entire universe; but we arent influenced the least by the strong and weak interactions of the matter on Alpha Centari.

Finally saw it this weekend. The suggestion earlier to wait for redbox instead of seeing it in IMAX is nuts ... even if you don't fully comprehend the plot.

So I saw it a second time...am I the only dumbass who didn't realize the first old lady to talk in the "dust bowl" flash back interviews was Murph? She shows up on them at the end again when they show them on the space station, but I feel like such a jackass for not even picking up on that the first time.

Immediately recognized it on the 2nd viewing. Just goes to show how into a movie you get and how much you forget.

Also on 2nd viewing, Mann clearly wants to finish the mission(not that its up for debate anymore). So weird how sure I was of the opposite after watching the first time

Finally saw it. Cool movie.

Can't stop thinking about this movie...

Saw it Friday night in IMAX and it has dominated my thoughts. Most thought provoking movie I've seen since The Road.

I've learned a lot on this thread.

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I can't believe my biggest issue wasn't already brought up. With there not even being operable MRIs, how did NASA make muscle atrophy a non-issue for their cryo-sleep chambers? Matt Damon shouldn't have been able to walk around let alone challenge a more physically fit Cooper in a space suit fight.

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My understanding was that they're more than just sleep chambers, but that they slow everything down, including atrophy. I'm guessing NASA had MRIs.

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Ok. I get how gravity/time interact (relativity), but answer me this: could a massive electromagnetic field replicate gravity and achieve similar "time displacement"?

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Energy bends spacetime. Matter is concentrated energy so it is really effective at curving spacetime, but an electromagnetic field can do it too.

Haven't read the whole thread, so maybe this has already been discussed. The gripe I had was the black hole scene. The ship is literally getting torn to pieces, so the wise thing to do is eject? That didn't make any sense along with the tesseract in the middle of the black hole, but I get that it's necessary.

Also, when the black hole spits MM out through the worm hole, shouldn't he have been booking it and not just gingerly float around (object in motion stays in motion in a vacuum)?

^ my thoughts are two fold about the black hole spit out.

1. Wherever he goes in transit between the two points is the "gray area" of space where the laws of physics need not apply.

2. It's a matter of scale. You seem him floating against the backdrop of Saturn. Saturn is ginormous. He could be traveling along at tens of thousands of miles per hour but with no scale it is impossible to tell. I can be going 100 mph in my truck but on my GPS zoomed out at 100 miles I am not moving at all.

I posted these questions on the Time Paradox Thread and figured I'd post them here as well to see if smarter people than me could answer the questions. The quote is from MW03 in the Time Paradox Thread. The questions below the quote are mine.

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quote:The tesseract you see in the movie where MM goes after he enters the black hole is a 3d representation of the 4th dimension, which is time. It's the only way MM could conceive of time as a physical dimension as opposed to a linear progression. We see it as a paradox because of how we experience time. In our perception, it's "MM get the coordinates, MM goes to NASA, MM goes to space, MM goes to the black hole where MM gives himself the coordinates with the help of the evolved humans." But what you see in the tesseract is that all those events are happening simultaneously.

If you take the film at face value, then you accept that the evolved humans that are helping MM are 5d beings. That means that they can perceive the 4 dimensions "below" them. Think of it this way: we can move forward, backward, left, right, up, and down in our space. We cannot perceive the 4th dimension of time other than it moving forward for us. That's because we are living in the 4th dimension, and we can only perceive the 3 "below" us. A 5d being could move all those same directions, but also be able to perceive time as a physical plane not unlike the dimensions in which we are able to move as the 4th dimension would be "below" them.

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This is one of the best explanations I've seen. So basically all points in time are "happening" simultaneously? And if you are a 5d being, you can walk around and go to whatever places of time you want to, just as we can walk around and go to different places in the world?

But if that is true, I still have a question. If the 5d beings are going to point MM to a certain point in time, so that he can contact someone in order to change things, the reason they are doing that is to try and affect the future correct? But how does it affect the future if all of time is "happening" simultaneously? Do the "past" and "future" times change instantly and it's like the part that was changed never existed?

Plus, in the "simultaneous future" the 5d beings already exist and were able to create the wormhole. So what exactly are they trying to change?

In order to make it work, do you have to accept that there are separate universes of time?

Hope that makes sense enough to have the questions answered.

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This is one of the best explanations I've seen. So basically all points in time are "happening" simultaneously? And if you are a 5d being, you can walk around and go to whatever places of time you want to, just as we can walk around and go to different places in the world?

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Time is a way of keeping everything from happening at once. So if time is a spatial dimension, then yes, everything happens at once.

We don't know anything about the life of a 5D being. Once cannot talk around (i.e. go from one place to another as time progresses) if time is a spatial dimension. So is there another dimension of time for 5D beings? The movie does not answer this. If there is an answer our 3+1D brains probably couldn't begin to grasp it.

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But if that is true, I still have a question. If the 5d beings are going to point MM to a certain point in time, so that he can contact someone in order to change things, the reason they are doing that is to
try and affect the future correct? But how does it affect the future if all of time is "happening" simultaneously? Do the "past" and "future" times change instantly and it's like the part that was changed never existed?

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It's really hard to imagine what a 5D being's thought process is. Especially if they do not experience time as a temporal dimension. If time is a spatial dimension, and all past and future events are laid out in a static 4 dimensional structure, then that cannot affect anything, It's already happened. It is what it is. There may be some 5th dimensional interaction with the 4D structure at certain points which explain changes in how we progress through time. Like looking at a x/t trajectory graph in physics with x on one axis and t on the other axis. If the origin is the location of a wall, then seeing sideways V shape with the point touching the t axis can be explained by the location of the wall. But the graph is a static image. If it's an x/y/t graph, then an object travelling in y can interact with the object travelling in x. The object (or 1D being in x) cannot perceive the object in y, but a higher dimensional being can see the static image of the 3D graph and understand what "happened" to the x-object's trajectory.

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Plus, in the "simultaneous future" the 5d beings already exist and were able to create the
wormhole. So what exactly are they trying to change?

In order to make it work, do you have to accept that there are separate universes of time?

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Yes, for the 5th dimensional humans to be able to change anything, that would imply a second time dimension.

But if there were, I think this universe would be much weirder than it already is.

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There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the
Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be
replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.

There is another theory which states that this has already happened.

- Douglas Adams

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We might have a picture of a black hole in a few years:

http://www.businessinsider.com/picture-of-a-supermassive-black-hole-2014-12

The soundtrack for this movie is great.

Just saw the IMAX showing. Really liked it. Like TCTTS my initial reaction was that it wasn't as good as Inception but I already find myself thinking more and more about it.

Scene of MM watching the movies was great.

A couple times I flet like some shots of the spaceships looked "modely", bt itherwise the visuals were cool.

MM was great. Hathaway was also good (the things I would do to that woman!).

One thing that effects my initial reaction is that I wonder if trailers have become too good. The trailer for this was one of the best of all time to me. Hell it made me tear up. So to achieve that and then try to make a 3 hour movie match that is tough to do.

I also wasn't prepared for the supernatural ("ghost") aspect of it. That kind of threw me and took a bit to adjust to.

Overall big thumbs up though. Nolan takes chances and the scope of his vision is amazing. I would gladly see it again to dissect it some more.