Soundtrack FINALLY hits a week from today. Will definitely be listening to this one on repeat.
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I too believe Mann's character wanted to find Edmund's planet, but not before returning to Earth first. The guy was in desperate need of social interaction, and after getting a taste of it after being discovered by Cooper and Brand, he decided to go back to Earth, where he would be a hero in the eyes of everyone on Earth, and he could tell them all about his planet being habitable, but needing more supplies. After gearing back up for a return, he could then detour to Edmond's planet to see if that one would work. I think Damon's character thrived on being a celebrity, and wanted to be the one perceived as trying to discover a way to preserve human existence, but understood it to be unlikely, but enjoyed the attention of being the guy.
quote:Although the soundtrack was riveting and emotional I don't think it will do well in its own. Parts of it were repetitive and some parts went well with the visuals. Let me know what you think though.
Soundtrack FINALLY hits a week from today. Will definitely be listening to this one on repeat.
I love Hans Zimmer btw. I can't believe he's the guy that did Video Killed the Radio Star lol!
Mann was lying about wanting to continue the mission. He was trying to get back to earth.
No way. I'm convinced Mann wanted to complete the mission and get to Edmund's planet. I've been scouring the internet looking for an answer, and almost every thing I've read seems to support that. I found this comment at the end of an article that sums it up nicely...
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Dr. Mann didnt want to go back to earth, he was going to take the eggs to the other planet because he was focused on the mission.
The point of Dr. Mann was to show the opposing view of Brand and Cooper. Cooper wanted to go home because he loved his family, Brand wanted to go to the planet with her boyfriend because she loved him. Earlier in the movie Brand didn't want to hear about Cooper's love for his children because it wasn't HER love. She was more focused on the mission. But when the tables are turned where it comes down to the planet with person she loved she wanted to go there. Cooper thought the decision was bias. So it's both Brand and Cooper making biased decisions based on the people that they love personally.
Enter Dr. mann. He makes a comment to them about how as humans we have a survival instinct that wants to protect the ones we love, but that's as far as we are willing to go. We arent so inclined to save other people's kids, or boyfriends because they aren't connected to us. So he believes he is correct by only caring about the success of the mission - which is to take the egg babies to another planet and start from scratch - loved ones and earth be damned.
Moon is another one I would add to the list as well
quote:quote:Although the soundtrack was riveting and emotional I don't think it will do well in its own. Parts of it were repetitive and some parts went well with the visuals. Let me know what you think though.
Soundtrack FINALLY hits a week from today. Will definitely be listening to this one on repeat.
I love Hans Zimmer btw. I can't believe he's the guy that did Video Killed the Radio Star lol!
All I know is there were at least five or six times during the movie where I thought, I can't wait to listen to this track over and over while I work.
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Moon is another one I would add to the list as well
Moon would top the list of Sci fi movies I've seen in theaters this century. (Never saw Contact.)
quote:This would also kinda explain why he would try to kill Cooper, since Cooper was really the only one that wanted to return back to Earth. Take him out alone and get rid of him and tell the others it was an accident, wouldn't be tough to convince Brand to continue on to Edmund's planet. Doesn't explain why Mann would set up the robot booby trap though...
No way. I'm convinced Mann wanted to complete the mission and get to Edmund's planet. I've been scouring the internet looking for an answer, and almost every thing I've read seems to support that. I found this comment at the end of an article that sums it up nicely...
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Dr. Mann didnt want to go back to earth, he was going to take the eggs to the other planet because he was focused on the mission.
The point of Dr. Mann was to show the opposing view of Brand and Cooper. Cooper wanted to go home because he loved his family, Brand wanted to go to the planet with her boyfriend because she loved him. Earlier in the movie Brand didn't want to hear about Cooper's love for his children because it wasn't HER love. She was more focused on the mission. But when the tables are turned where it comes down to the planet with person she loved she wanted to go there. Cooper thought the decision was bias. So it's both Brand and Cooper making biased decisions based on the people that they love personally.
Enter Dr. mann. He makes a comment to them about how as humans we have a survival instinct that wants to protect the ones we love, but that's as far as we are willing to go. We arent so inclined to save other people's kids, or boyfriends because they aren't connected to us. So he believes he is correct by only caring about the success of the mission - which is to take the egg babies to another planet and start from scratch - loved ones and earth be damned.
I agree that Mann wanted to go Edmund's planet and not earth. I thought it was very apparent.
Then why isn't he just up front with them? Hey, I lied; I'm a POS; let's get out of here?
Like others have said, his motivations/goals needed to be explained a little better.
Like others have said, his motivations/goals needed to be explained a little better.
To me, you don't really need to explain Mann's motivations too much when you take into account that he had gone completely mad. He was insane. One of humanity's premiere scientists and great hopes for survival turned into a killer. He tried to murder Cooper, abandon the crew to a hopeless death, and was so blind to reason he tried to dock with Endurance without establishing a seal with the airlock, which killed him. Totally BSC.
The robot was dismantled and booby trapped to hide the fact that Mann was faking his data. The robot knew he was up to no good.
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Mann was the "evil" that Cooper alluded to when they had the discussion about nature not being evil. "The only evil is the evil we take with us."
I have a daughter the same age as young Murph. I definitely wanted to see my girl soon after the movie was over. When he watches 23 years pass on screen in a few minutes, that was a message from the writer to all parents. That seemed less fictional than most of the rest of the movie. Kids grow up (in the end) faster than parents would like. That could be a whole movie on its own.
Speaking of which, there were at least 7 different movies rolled up in this one -
1. Father / Daughter / Time passes (Father of the Bride),
2. The "Take care of mother Earth" movie, so pretty much all of "2012",
3. The Wormhole movie
4. The Black Hole movie (Event Horizon?)
5. A Star Trek or two
6. Planet of the Apes was in there somewhere
7. 2001 apparently, (I never finished that, so you tell me)
8. If they could have thrown in an Aerosmith song, you could reference "Armegeddon" pretty easily.
My fast opinion on the movie: This is a great movie for anyone who loves science fiction and has never seen a real Worm Hole.
I have a daughter the same age as young Murph. I definitely wanted to see my girl soon after the movie was over. When he watches 23 years pass on screen in a few minutes, that was a message from the writer to all parents. That seemed less fictional than most of the rest of the movie. Kids grow up (in the end) faster than parents would like. That could be a whole movie on its own.
Speaking of which, there were at least 7 different movies rolled up in this one -
1. Father / Daughter / Time passes (Father of the Bride),
2. The "Take care of mother Earth" movie, so pretty much all of "2012",
3. The Wormhole movie
4. The Black Hole movie (Event Horizon?)
5. A Star Trek or two
6. Planet of the Apes was in there somewhere
7. 2001 apparently, (I never finished that, so you tell me)
8. If they could have thrown in an Aerosmith song, you could reference "Armegeddon" pretty easily.
My fast opinion on the movie: This is a great movie for anyone who loves science fiction and has never seen a real Worm Hole.
Saw it in IMAX last night.
Biggest issues.
The quickness of the transition from finding NASA, learning about what they are doing, getting asked to go, and going.
It looked as if they asked him to give up his entire life, and he left the very next day. Perhaps weeks went by in that transition but as far as I could tell, he was in his daughter's room begging for her to give him permission to leave, and then leaving, the very next day after they found NASA. That just seems silly.
In reality, NASA takes months and months to train even the most trained pilots before sending them on short missions. There is no way they are going to ask MM to fly out on their most critical mission without training for a long period of time for that mission.
Also, if humans were the ones that set up the wormhole and the ability for MM to affect his past through gravity, then he didn't save the world. Because humanity would have had to survived without him saving it for them to set up that scenario in the first place.
Biggest issues.
The quickness of the transition from finding NASA, learning about what they are doing, getting asked to go, and going.
It looked as if they asked him to give up his entire life, and he left the very next day. Perhaps weeks went by in that transition but as far as I could tell, he was in his daughter's room begging for her to give him permission to leave, and then leaving, the very next day after they found NASA. That just seems silly.
In reality, NASA takes months and months to train even the most trained pilots before sending them on short missions. There is no way they are going to ask MM to fly out on their most critical mission without training for a long period of time for that mission.
Also, if humans were the ones that set up the wormhole and the ability for MM to affect his past through gravity, then he didn't save the world. Because humanity would have had to survived without him saving it for them to set up that scenario in the first place.
7nine
quote:On your 1st point, yes there would likely be much more training involved. It would be silly for Nasa, even if they did have a trained pilot for that mission, to suddenly decide to launch the next day. The movie was over 2 and a half hours, and I wish it were longer
Biggest issues.
The quickness of the transition from finding NASA, learning about what they are doing, getting asked to go, and going.
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Also, if humans were the ones that set up the wormhole and the ability for MM to affect his past through gravity, then he didn't save the world. Because humanity would have had to survived without him saving it for them to set up that scenario in the first place.
On the 2nd point, that has been discussed here before. If humanity did survive without the wormhole, then our descendants wouldn't have to save us. Quantum Mechanics is weird and unintuitive. A future observation can affect the past when the thing that is being observed is generated.
For example, in the light slit experiment often used to illustrate the weirdness of quantum mechanics, if you send a photon through a sheet with 2 slits it will go through both slits and create an interference pattern on a screen beyond the slits. If you can detect which slit the light goes through then your observation causes the light to only go through the slit you observed it going through, and there will be no interference pattern. There would be only a dot where the photon hit the screen. You can be right there to detect which slit the photon goes through, or you can be light years away. If you are 5 light years away and observe which slit the photon goes through, you will cause it to create a dot on the screen 5 years before your observation.
The wormhole is a quantum gravitational event which enabled hypothetical future 5th dimensional humans to save their ancestors. In the many-universe theory, it could be that most universes that spawned off from QM events in the vicinity of Saturn caused no change in humanity's fate. But one had a wormhole created by future 5th dimensional humans which enabled themselves to exist.
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"If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don't understand quantum mechanics." - Richard Feynman
I understand the Delayed Choice Experiment just fine. But that wouldn't explain how humans existed in the future to make the observation if the very observation was required for humans to survive in the first place. However the multiverse theory could explain it I guess. I don't like that theory though.
Also the Delayed Choice Experiement explanation falls flat because there were plenty of observers at the time of the event, that being all the humans involved with the daughters room. So it's not like the room existed in a quantum flux state until it was observed millions of years later by 5th dimentional humans. All that is required for a quantum field to collapse is an observer and any human that is there at the time will provide that simply by measuring the data with their senses.
Also the Delayed Choice Experiement explanation falls flat because there were plenty of observers at the time of the event, that being all the humans involved with the daughters room. So it's not like the room existed in a quantum flux state until it was observed millions of years later by 5th dimentional humans. All that is required for a quantum field to collapse is an observer and any human that is there at the time will provide that simply by measuring the data with their senses.
7nine
Btw, how crazy is it that a year from now Matt Damon will be starring in The Martian for Ridley Scott. Here's the premise...
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Based on the science fiction novel of the same name, The Martian follows fictional American astronaut Mark Watney as he becomes stranded alone on Mars and must improvise in order to survive. It has been described as an Apollo 13 meets Cast Away.
There is a theory that our observation of the universe's basic constants (gravitational constant, charge of an electron, rate of expansion, etc which have to be just right for us to exist) collapsed the wave function for all possible values of those constants into specific values. If the constants are observed by life forms, they must take on values which would make life possible. That is an example of people in the future by delayed choice triggering a chain of events that eventually leads to their creation.
quote:this gets my pants significantly more tight.
Btw, how crazy is it that a year from now Matt Damon will be starring in The Martian for Ridley Scott. Here's the premise...
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Based on the science fiction novel of the same name, The Martian follows fictional American astronaut Mark Watney as he becomes stranded alone on Mars and must improvise in order to survive. It has been described as an Apollo 13 meets Cast Away.
'Interstellar' co-writer Jonathan Nolan is adapting Asimov's 'Foundation' for HBO
The Foundation series is one of the cornerstones of scifi.
quote:WOW... I've read the Foundation books and am looking forward to that. Also looking forward to "The Martian".
'Interstellar' co-writer Jonathan Nolan is adapting Asimov's 'Foundation' for HBO
The Foundation series is one of the cornerstones of scifi.
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There is a theory that our observation of the universe's basic constants (gravitational constant, charge of an electron, rate of expansion, etc which have to be just right for us to exist) collapsed the wave function for all possible values of those constants into specific values. If the constants are observed by life forms, they must take on values which would make life possible. That is an example of people in the future by delayed choice triggering a chain of events that eventually leads to their creation.
The problem with that though is that still you are dealing with a past timeline without any observers. In this scenario in the movie, there are human observers at the time that there would have to be a quantum field of possibilities that have not yet been measured by observation. So the quantum field of the probability of humanity going extinct would collapse long before humanity could evolve to the 5th dimension due to the fact that there would be billions of observers to observe it as it happened.
7nine
quote:You'd probably like Sunshine if you haven't seen that already.
2001, Contact and now I would add Interstellar as the big 3 when it comes to films that capture what true science fiction is about. They all have many things in common such as focusing more on the science and less on the fiction and dividing both critics and viewers. I love Star Wars and Star Trek but there is very little science fiction involved in those types of movies and tv shows. I would go as far as saying Star Wars isn't science fiction at all. Its fantasy, Lord of the Rings in space. The Godfather could be set on Mars and that doesn't necessarily make it science fiction. I wish studios were a little more daring in making more movies like Interstellar. There are so many great hard scifi books out there that would make great movies.
To be fair, there are a bunch of ST:TNG episodes that are good "real" sci-fi.
quote:Been wondering why it's not on spotify. Good to hear.
Soundtrack FINALLY hits a week from today. Will definitely be listening to this one on repeat.
quote:Her was an excellent sci-fi, it just didn't involve space-faring. Similarly: A.I.quote:You'd probably like Sunshine if you haven't seen that already.
2001, Contact and now I would add Interstellar as the big 3 when it comes to films that capture what true science fiction is about. They all have many things in common such as focusing more on the science and less on the fiction and dividing both critics and viewers. I love Star Wars and Star Trek but there is very little science fiction involved in those types of movies and tv shows. I would go as far as saying Star Wars isn't science fiction at all. Its fantasy, Lord of the Rings in space. The Godfather could be set on Mars and that doesn't necessarily make it science fiction. I wish studios were a little more daring in making more movies like Interstellar. There are so many great hard scifi books out there that would make great movies.
To be fair, there are a bunch of ST:TNG episodes that are good "real" sci-fi.
Nonetheless, my reaction was similar - I left Interstellar feeling that given what I had just seen, I had just seen the first real sci-fi film (I've seen 2001 and Contact, but I need to go back and rewatch Contact, since I hardly remember it).
Contact was a good movie, and a great book
quote:I thought you said
The problem with that though is that still you are dealing with a past timeline without any observers. In this scenario in the movie, there are human observers at the time that there would have to be a quantum field of possibilities that have not yet been measured by observation. So the quantum field of the probability of humanity going extinct would collapse long before humanity could evolve to the 5th dimension due to the fact that there would be billions of observers to observe it as it happened.
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I understand the Delayed Choice Experiment just fine.
I do.
I completely understand that time is not a factor in the collapse of the quantum field. The only factor is the measurement/observer.
In the Delayed Choice Experiment the idler photon can be recorded in the future, sure, but the quantum field remains uncollapsed because there has been no observation up until the result of where the idler photon ended up.
That is to say, time is not a factor SO LONG as no measurement has not been made up until that point.
We would not have an uncollapsed quantum field to collapse in the case of the movie because the outcome of humanity's fate would have been observed by the humans themselves. We cannot have a uncollapsed quantum field where humans are already aware of the result.
I completely understand that time is not a factor in the collapse of the quantum field. The only factor is the measurement/observer.
In the Delayed Choice Experiment the idler photon can be recorded in the future, sure, but the quantum field remains uncollapsed because there has been no observation up until the result of where the idler photon ended up.
That is to say, time is not a factor SO LONG as no measurement has not been made up until that point.
We would not have an uncollapsed quantum field to collapse in the case of the movie because the outcome of humanity's fate would have been observed by the humans themselves. We cannot have a uncollapsed quantum field where humans are already aware of the result.
7nine
Humans on Earth would not be aware of it until the mouth of the wormhole was large enough to be detected.
If the wormhole was created by future humans then it would have to mean humans already survived to that point. In which case they would not need to create it to save humans from going extinct.
Going along with the multiverse theory, I took "they" to be humans from an alternative timeline/universe where they had invested more time in space travel and thus had more scientifc knowledge. Instead, in the movie's universe society had abandoned space travel to put band-aids on problems and wasted a lot of resources in the process.
So the point where the two universes "split" would be before Earth was in immediate danger and that's why "they" could exist without Cooper's help. They were just being generous in helping Cooper's universe
So the point where the two universes "split" would be before Earth was in immediate danger and that's why "they" could exist without Cooper's help. They were just being generous in helping Cooper's universe
quote:My thoughts on this one is that basically plan B survived and allowed the species to survive. But something else went awry in the future-- maybe some genetic fault in those eggs or something, that made the future humans feel the need to save the earth population as well.
If the wormhole was created by future humans then it would have to mean humans already survived to that point. In which case they would not need to create it to save humans from going extinct.
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I think we're caught in an infinite loop
That's a really good explanation KidDoc. Like maybe they thought they owed it to their saviors to go back and help. Or they just needed more genetic diversity. But they said diversity wouldn't be a problem with the various eggs
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