I loved it. Just wanted to say the music was absolutely incredible... Added so much tension to the already intense scenes
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and says "there's no such thing as ghosts" (dead black screen)
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and says "there's no such thing as ghosts" (dead black screen)
And then "Don't Stop Believin" kicks in . . .
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They ended it wrong. After the 3D-5D matrix disappears, coop should have woked up from his crash nightmare to Murph checking on him saying the ghost knocked down her books again, at which point he looks right at her and says "there's no such thing as ghosts"
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TARS says very clearly to Cooper that it is not their goal to change the past.
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Yall should read this short story from Asimov:
http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html
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Literally the first thing I thought when I saw who was in the cryo-pod was "MATT DAMON!"
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-Didn't fully understand the drone capture scene, and realistic flight speed of the drone makes it seem unlikely they could have pursued it as long as they did and hacked it
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-The whole accidental discovery of secret NASA, and oh hey you happen to know the head guy, and hey he happens to offer you a last-minute pilot gig on this across the universe journey...that whole transition just happened WAY too fast. I would have liked to see pre-mission briefings of all the known data, mission options, etc. It's almost as if they figured out the mission as they went. Debating which planet to go to first? Why wasn't that already pre-determined? That bugged me
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-The spacecraft running into a frozen cloud without being destroyed...not believable. Come to think of it, are frozen clouds even believable? Once solid, why wouldn't they fall out of the sky?
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-Didn't really get or buy-in to the whole love angle. Love is simply a chemical condition in our brain. I did stop to ponder the question, "Why do we love dead people? What's the utility in that?" and I do think that's an interesting question, but I can't help but land on the simple fact that it's probably a chemical addition in our brains to the loving relationship that existed while the person was alive. It's not a "force" that transcends dimensions.
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-Thought the space station at the end was kind of "meh". Somehow I don't see them building a baseball diamond on a space station and letting kids break glass. Any resources out in space would be a precious commodity, even a window. More so than that, the sheer real estate would be so precious.
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-How the heck did he get out of the singularity of black hole and back into our solar system? I need something there.
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It had been flying rogue for a decade, and probably wasn't at full speed/functionality. Even still, all Murph had to do was aim that tracker device in its general direction in order to latch on to its signal, and then Cooper hacked it with the laptop. He also clearly stated that the drone's solar panels could power an entire farm, hence why it was so valuable and worth capturing.
quote:Fair enough. Was just a minor complaint and must have missed the part about powering the solar panel farm. I guess for me you could have communicated this message just as easily by talking more about his previous training, rather than a one-scene flashback to a crash + drone capture oddity. Totally forgot about the steering via track pad, that was idiotic.
It had been flying rogue for a decade, and probably wasn't at full speed/functionality. Still, all Murph had to do was aim that tracker device in its general direction in order to latch on to its signal, and
then Cooper hacked it with the laptop. He also clearly stated that the drone's solar panels could power an entire farm, hence why it was so valuable and worth capturing.
quote:Okay, I can accept the psuedo-science justifying the clouds. I still can't accept crashing into them with a glib "frozen clouds" comment to tell the audience what they were seeing with no damage to the ship.
The pull of gravity from the black hole was what kept the frozen clouds/mountains/waves in the air. Same concept as in Avatar, except the pseudo-science for the floating mountains in that movie was the magnetic pull from the main planet the moon was orbiting. Same basic concept/pseudo-science here.
quote:I'd argue the person making the movie has a bigger burden of "proof" than I do. I was just a viewer giving my opinion on how he presented his story. Trust me, I'm open minded to this stuff and I fully understand what he was getting at, it just didn't come off as well for me as it could have.
Then prove it. You're obviously 99.9% right, but the entire point of the movie was to say that there are forces at work we can't understand. As crazy as this sounds, as much as we know about love as a chemical reaction, you still can't prove that there might also be some other "force" at work that we won't discover or understand for hundreds, if not thousands, of years. The movie is basically criticizing our arrogance in thinking we've got it all figured out.
quote:LOL, pretty sure I sit quietly and would be just fine to watch a movie with. Look, we're debating the judgement of a piece of art as you said. There is no wrong or right way to judge it. For me, I'll accept *whatever* plot assumptions you want to give me about the story...but once we get rolling into the human interactions within that plot line, it better be realistic. If executed well in this regard, it's what can push a movie from an 8/10 to a 10/10 for me. Since we're comparing this movie to Contact, I think if you recall that movie through this lens, you'd agree the character interactions and everything we see on screen is extremely realistic and believable given the plot assumptions. There was never a moment where I rolled my eyes thinking "Hollywood BS" like crashing your spaceship into a frozen cloud, or surfing your spaceship on a giant wave...
Honestly, at this point, you really do seem like one of the absolute worse people to watch a movie with.
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Overall, I don't mean to be the guy defending the hell out of this movie. I have plenty of issues with it myself, and definitely agree with a few of your problems. That said, half of this stuff is either self explanatory, WAY too nit picky, or misses the point entirely. I'm sure many posters here no doubt think I can be just as nit picky when it comes to narrative/script issues - and I may very well be - but the difference is I'm critiquing a movie. Not a documentary. You have to understand that story - above all - comes first. A movie is a painting. Not a photograph. Plausibility and science sometimes have to be bent in order to service the characters. Servicing their arc/needs/believability is far more important than being 100% accurate with the science/how-it-would-all-actually-go-down. Whenever story/science clash, a director/writer must ALWAYS choose the story/characters. That's what it comes down to. And I feel like that's exactly what Nolan did, and did it beautifully. Subtext and symbolism also play a huge role, and I would argue even those need more attention than getting every last technical detail right.
quote:I'll allow it.
The 5th dimensional future version of humanity put him there. Simple as that. If they can build a time-and-space-transcending bookcase, why is it so hard to believe that they can then place Cooper anywhere they feel like once he's done?
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You have to understand that story - above all - comes first. A movie is a painting. Not a photograph. Plausibility and science sometimes have to be bent in order to service the characters. Servicing their arc/needs/believability is far more important than being 100% accurate with the science/how-it-would-all-actually-go-down. Whenever story/science clash, a director/writer must ALWAYS choose the story/characters.
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On the plot/character front, why does Michael Caine tell murph his greatest fear is that the team will return and find out he hasn't solved gravity, when he'd given up on the equation before the earliest missions had even been launched? It's pure manipulation of the audience to make us feel a certain emotion at a certain time because Nolan wanted a certain scene to exist, even if that scene makes zero sense in the context of what we later know.
Nolan tried to pull this same stunt with the Damon sequence, but didn't do it nearly so deftly as folks can hardly agree on what Damon's motives were. Character and motives don't matter to Nolan. He assembles movies by coming up with a number of great, well-crafted, often emotional scenes that are superb on their own and after the movie we remember those scenes as being individually great, but he manipulates the crap out of his audience by having characters act in ways that retroactively make no sense.
quote:quote:Okay, I can accept the psuedo-science justifying the clouds. I still can't accept crashing into them with a glib "frozen clouds" comment to tell the audience what they were seeing with no damage to the ship.
The pull of gravity from the black hole was what kept the frozen clouds/mountains/waves in the air. Same concept as in Avatar, except the pseudo-science for the floating mountains in that movie was the magnetic pull from the main planet the moon was orbiting. Same basic concept/pseudo-science here.
quote:They knew that they were on the planet far too long, and it was discussed as they were leaving the planet. Also, some people said that the return to the main ship was awkward, but the guy had been there alone almost twice as long as he expected to be. He had no social interaction for an extremely long time.
Another example is the time loss on the water planet. Nolan desperately wanted that emotional "I missed my kids' childhood!" scene so badly he decided to have all the characters forget to run the math on how long the pod had been on the planets surface, something that is totally out of touch with his characters, but delivers a great scene he wanted to hit on.