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Not sure how he'd get to Brand without the wormhole. I guess a deviation from science Nolan had to take to wrap up the movie without it going longer? Set up for a sequel? Now that they figured out the gravity equation, they can create their own wormholes now?
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I love Nolan and understand his stuff is so ambitious you have to be a little open minded... but Aggie Journalist raises some pretty good points.
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I nitpick Nolan movies way more than any other director. Maybe it's not fair to him, but it comes with the territory with making the films that he does. He wants to make movies that requires the viewer to think, so that's what I'm going to do.
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^ Great Q&A. Thanks for the link.

That said, the one thing I didn't understand was Nolan saying that the wormhole apparently disappeared after Cooper exited the black hole. Did I read that correctly? Wouldn't that defeat the whole purpose of trying to find a new habitibal planet? Without the wormhole, how will they get the colony (which is now near Saturn) to the new planet on the other side of the universe? And how will Cooper get to Brand? This makes no sense to me, yet Nolan seems to state conclusively that the wormhole is now gone.
I think Plan A didn't necessarily involve immediately colonizing a new planet, it was mainly about moving large amounts of people into space, hence the whole "solving gravity" thing. I'm guessing once they did that they could travel for generations while finding a new home.
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Yeah, this article is basically saying just that.

http://screenrant.com/interstellar-ending-spoilers-time-travel/

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Should the Endurance team find a habitable planet, Brand claims that NASA has two plans for humanity's survival:
  • Plan A) While the Endurance team is away, Brand will continue to work on an advanced equation that, if solved, will allow humans to harness fifth-dimensional physics specifically gravity. Should Brand succeed, NASA will be able to defy our traditional understanding of physics and launch an enormous space station (carrying the remainder of Earth's surviving population) into space. The very facility that Cooper and Murph stumble upon at the beginning of the film isn't just a NASA research station it's a construction site for humankind's space-traveling ark.
  • Plan B) Should Brand fail in his calculation and/or the Endurance take too much time investigating potential homeworlds, NASA has harvested a bank of fertilized human embryos that can be used to ensure humanity's survival - after everyone on Earth is wiped out. To ensure genetic diversity, NASA procured DNA from a wide range of sources so that future generations would not be limited to reproduction between Endurance crew members. In this scenario, the Endurance team would settle down on the most habitable planet and raise the first generation of embryos with each subsequent generation helping to raise a new set of embryos (as well as reproduce naturally).

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The quibble I increasingly have with Nolan is that his movies are so often held up as being hyper realistic, when they so often are not. Also, their plots often make little sense, he's just great at rushing you through them so quick you don't have time to realize "Wait, this doesn't make sense."

Nolan works in powerful scenes that make sense when viewed linearly. That's his No. 1 priority and trick. Everything else is secondary.

See, I feel like Nolan is hyper-realistic, but only within the confines of the movie universe he's created. There's nothing about Inception that's realistic unless you accept the rules by which he defines the universe he's created in which Inception takes place. Once he defines the parameters, he's incredibly adept and showing them in a realistic way. One example is the manner in which Inception was shot, and the techniques he had to create so that the scenes would be realistic.
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An example from the science front would be the ice clouds. That had nothing to do with anything. It was comical when it happened. It was never again referenced in any way. Someone just said "wouldn't it be cool if the planet had ice clouds? Have the ship clip one, but don't damage the ship or ever reference it again. I just really want ice clouds."

Initially I thought it was odd as well. But after contemplating on it, I have a hard time taking too much issue in the sense that this was a planet in another galaxy on the other side of the universe. Certainly, we're to subscribe to the notion that the universe's laws are in place here, as relativity is still an issue on that side. However, I found myself able to accept this license and chalk it up to the we really don't know what other planets are like in the sense that we base our observations on what they must be like on our on experience from our own solar system.

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Another example is the time loss on the water planet. Nolan desperately wanted that emotional "I missed my kids' childhood!" scene so badly he decided to have all the characters forget to run the math on how long the pod had been on the planets surface, something that is totally out of touch with his characters, but delivers a great scene he wanted to hit on.
No good example here, other than the fact that they made an oversight. It's thin, but not destructive to the file, at least not for me.

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On the plot/character front, why does Michael Caine tell murph his greatest fear is that the team will return and find out he hasn't solved gravity, when he'd given up on the equation before the earliest missions had even been launched? It's pure manipulation of the audience to make us feel a certain emotion at a certain time because Nolan wanted a certain scene to exist, even if that scene makes zero sense in the context of what we later know.

I think it's pure manipulation of the audience and the characters on the screen. Caine told that to Murph because he'd basically raised her in science following the scene wherein Caine tells Lithgow that Murph needs a spark and that he can provide it. When he's making his deathbed confessional to her, it's clear that he was pained about lying to the little girl he didn't want to doom to death or to the reality that her father was never coming back, but he couldn't die with it on his conscience. It's manipulative of the audience because it's manipulative of Murph and Coop.

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Nolan tried to pull this same stunt with the Damon sequence, but didn't do it nearly so deftly as folks can hardly agree on what Damon's motives were. Character and motives don't matter to Nolan. He assembles movies by coming up with a number of great, well-crafted, often emotional scenes that are superb on their own and after the movie we remember those scenes as being individually great, but he manipulates the crap out of his audience by having characters act in ways that retroactively make no sense.

This is a valid argument to be sure. That being said, I never had any questions about Damon's motives, other than to ask why he'd fake a beacon to bring the team out there to force Plan B on another planet when he could have just sent a truthful beacon out that would have let Plan B take place on Edward's planet. Then again, Nolan showed us how lonely Damon was through the exposition of his comments while Coop was dying, and how starved he had become for human interaction. Perhaps Damon wanted to bring people to his planet to pick him up so that he could then go with them to start Plan B on another planet with people, but realized when he was found out that the wouldn't trust him and bring him along.

Moreover, it was necessary for the movie to have a 3rd act. In act one, you determine how bad life is on Earth and why it must leave. In act two, you get the crew travelling across the galaxy and finally making it to the habitable planet. You get to act three because through Damon, Coop and Co. find out about the lie and realize Plan A is a fraud. That compels them to resolve the move in the 3rd act by escaping from Damon's planet, sending someone to Edward to facilitate Plan B, and then the ultimate story of the movie to tie back in to the Coop and Murph and the ghost in the bookcase.
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One more point on Nolan and science...

I think he got a lot of things right while making them digestible to the wide audience (if not 100% scientifically correct). I appreciate that, because it would have been simpler to worry less about the science and more about the storytelling. However, I really think Nolan made it a point to use the science as an element of his story telling. We're about 100 years since the theory of special relativity was published, and how many people across the US are going to be googling that (and general relativity) in the coming months because of Interstellar? Heck, he even made the concept of 5th dimensional space wherein time is a physical plane relatively clear, which is no small feat. If anything, I think a lot the criticism I've read about the movie's timeline on Reddit and various other blogs is ironically because of an adherence to the concept of time as only moving in one linear direction.

There's a lot of other really cool science nerd stuff in there other than seeing the physical effects of special and general relativity, like the concept of hyper sleep, manipulating the physical world using string theory on the watch (so very, very cool to me), saturn looked amazing, etc.

All in all, I was pretty impressed, and I had the opposite reaction as some of you in that the more I sit and think on the movie, the more I appreciate it.

Regardless, I think Nolan has delivered again in that we've got another movie of his that we can talk about and debate endlessly. That is worth the price of admission in and of itself. Put all that into an unquestionably beautifully shot and well-acted package, and it's another great film from a great filmmaker.

But then again, I have to admit that I've become an unabashed Nolan fanboy.
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^ agreed, the more I think of it, the stronger this film is IMO.
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An example from the science front would be the ice clouds. That had nothing to do with anything. It was comical when it happened. It was never again referenced in any way. Someone just said "wouldn't it be cool if the planet had ice clouds? Have the ship clip one, but don't damage the ship or ever reference it again. I just really want ice clouds."


The clouds did serve a plot point. It was implied Manns camp was on another such cloud and Mann mentioned that the surface is habitable and could be habitable. A lie Mann used to be able to take MM far from the camp in an attempt to disappear him.
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Good point Israeli


TCTTS, any rumors to what Nolan's next project is?
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It's very clear that Christopher Nolan doesn't want to make "ordinary" movies. He's an auteur not bound or defined by genre, yet it's difficult to see him ever tackling anything simple again. He has set the bar so high now that signing on for something regular just seemslike light-years away. Where can he go now that can come close to surpassing Interstellar?

Nowhere.

I'm sure that something huge and unconventional still lies in Nolan's future but I don't see it happening any time soon. Perhaps he'll keep himself busy for a few years helping out in an executive producer capacity with the Warner Bros./DC slate of movies due out. Hell maybe
he'll even be tempted to step in front of the camera again for one or more of their upcoming titles. I can see him toning it down for his next venture. Going back to basics. Returning to his indie roots that helped make Following and Memento cult hits. Who knows? He's smashed the superhero genre out of the ballpark, he's successfully dominated the mysterious head-scratcher and with Interstellar he has probably gone as far as he can go with science fiction, unless he wants to transcend his own "real and grounded" mantra. How about an epic western or a stripped back, black and white film-noir? What would you like to see Christopher Nolan do next?

I would love a Nolan Western

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TCTTS, any rumors to what Nolan's next project is?

Nothing yet. He usually doesn't make up his mind until his current project has come and gone from theaters. He's not one of those directors who has multiple projects going at once. TDKR came out July 2012, and Interstellar wasn't even first rumored until January 2013. So I bet we'll start to hear rumblings maybe this coming summer?
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My guess is he'll definitely do a Bond movie at some point. He loves the franchise, and has expressed an interest in potentially directing an installment. I doubt he'll do one of the Daniel Craig movies - I guess he could maybe direct the final Craig/Bond movie in 2018-ish - but I think he'd probably rather tackle the first movie with a new Bond, early next decade.

The only other project I can think of is his Howard Hughes project, which Jonathan Nolan says is the best script his brother has ever written. It's apparently different enough from the Scorsese/DiCaprio version, but who knows if it'll ever be made.

Other than that, I have a feeling that we may see a longer break from Nolan than in the past. He's had a movie at least every two years since 2005, and that was mainly because he had to "squeeze" in his passion projects between Batman movies. He also hasn't had a non-summer movie since 2007, and with Interstellar hitting late 2014, that throws things off a bit. To have a big summer movie ready for 2016, he'd have to be filming this coming spring, and we know that's not happening. So my bet is he takes a bit of an extended break, writes his next project over the next year or so, and starts filming spring 2016 for a summer 2017 release. Then again, he could easily do a smaller-budget project, but when recently asked about doing that, he said he wants to keep knocking out blockbusters while he has the opportunity.
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James Bond Begins
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If I had to get super-specific and take a wild guess, I'd say...

2017 = Nolan summer blockbuster based on an original script/idea of his
2019 = Smaller budget drama (maybe Howard Hughes?)
2021 = First Bond movie with the new Bond
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If I had to get super-specific and take a wild guess, I'd say...

2017 = Nolan summer blockbuster based on an original script/idea of his
inception...........IN SPACE

No way. The Prestige... IN SPACE
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Or Batman in a dream
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"Space Magicians" would be AMAZING.
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Two rival Space Magicians on a Colonization Ark but they can't remember anything after ten minutes which makes it really difficult for one because he's actually Batman...

BUT WHICH ONE???
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It writes itself.

Who does Michael Caine play?
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It writes itself.

Who does Michael Caine play?

GOD
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A movie about the Joker as a card magician. It's almost too obvious.
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But seriously, I could give a **** what the hell it is, I will be there to see any Nolan flick.
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Who does Michael Caine play?
Whichever character is on both the first and last page of the script
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It writes itself.

Who does Michael Caine play?

GOD
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Heck, expand The Prestige and make a Nikola Tesla biopic.
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Or Batman in a dream


He could adapt the episode of the Animated Series where Batman was stuck in a dream. It could be an Inception crossover
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Heck, expand The Prestige and make a Nikola Tesla biopic.


That would actually be pretty awesome.
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Tesla deserves some sort of bio pic. He's fascinating, and it's really unfortunate, he is not more well known.
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Another example is the time loss on the water planet. Nolan desperately wanted that emotional "I missed my kids' childhood!" scene so badly he decided to have all the characters forget to run the math on how long the pod had been on the planets surface, something that is totally out of touch with his characters, but delivers a great scene he wanted to hit on.

Maybe I have this wrong, but didn't they infer that there wasn't much actual data due to the relativity of time which is why they debated whether or not they should spend a couple of "earth years" on the surface to confirm if it is habitable. My brain may have made this up but I'm pretty sure at least one of the crewmembers wanted to skip this planet in favor of another.
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My guess is he'll definitely do a Bond movie at some point. He loves the franchise, and has expressed an interest in potentially directing an installment. I doubt he'll do one of the Daniel Craig movies - I guess he could maybe direct the final Craig/Bond movie in 2018-ish - but I think he'd probably rather tackle the first movie with a new Bond, early next decade.


Wait, so Christian Bale is the next Bond?!
 
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