I really enjoyed the ending. Aside from it being about one episode too long, I don't really have any complaints. Thought it was really well done. Would prefer not to have it continue, though.
*** THE OUTSIDER - Limited Series (HBO) ***
46,127 Views |
392 Replies |
Last: 5 yr ago by Milwaukees Best Light
TCTTS said:
Wait, I forgot about that. What was that all about (the "Who's Terry?" thing).
How was this missed? I rewound as soon as she said it. I hoped TA could exsplain.
I didn't miss it. I just didn't understand it.
TCTTS said:
Wait, I forgot about that. What was that all about (the "Who's Terry?" thing).
I assumed that's when El cuco was joined with her or took her over. Combined with the scratch and her listening to music I think your led down that path.
TCTTS said:
I didn't miss it. I just didn't understand it.
I didn't either but thought WTH? Now with a scratch on her arm...I kept waiting for her face to be on of cuco's before his head was smashed.
Also her mentioning that she had to make a few stops before Chicago was significant but maybe that was for the funeral.
Also would like to know who the dead people seen in the cave were.
MBAR said:
Also would like to know who the dead people seen in the cave were.
His son and the Peterson boy, I believe.
Also, twirling her hair at the end, it was moving backwards, or on its own.
El Cuco doesn't "take someone over" though. I'm just going to chalk it up to lazy writing at this point.MBAR said:TCTTS said:
Wait, I forgot about that. What was that all about (the "Who's Terry?" thing).
I assumed that's when El cuco was joined with her or took her over. Combined with the scratch and her listening to music I think your led down that path.
Yeah, it's a mess because they just have it do whatever the F they want to try to fill the story. No consistency
Exactly. I also don't understand her scratch and its implications because she hadn't even gotten close El Cuco yet when she said the "Who's Terry?" thing. Then she apparently gets scratched, El Cuco dies (which, again, was way too easy), and then he can control her somehow? It all reeked of lazy nonsense in service of a lame potential set-up for a second season.
GreasenUSA said:
Also, twirling her hair at the end, it was moving backwards, or on its own.
I just watched it three times and I don't think that was happening at all. I assume, its just showing she's not acting like the normal Holly (twirling her hair, listening to music etc)
1st 2 episodes were awesome. Imagine skipping forward to the last episode and trying to figure anything out. It's like a totally different show. What a mess. This is another series that would have been better off as a 110 minute movie.
Ok, I'm confused as the rest of you...
The creature clearly died. Holly got scratched somehow, but the Holly in the stinger scene is not the creature. And I don't know how it could be controlling her or when it had a chance to scratch her...
That is the actual Holly though, which is why she checked the back of her neck after seeing Jack... However something is in her head, hence seeing Jack in the mirror, and her listening to music and twisting her hair.
I don't understand why she would say "Who's Terry?" Both her and El Cuco clearly know who Terry is.
The only thing I can think of is... there is another El Cuco. She specifically asked him if there were others and he was ambiguous. And that allows for a season 2.
The creature clearly died. Holly got scratched somehow, but the Holly in the stinger scene is not the creature. And I don't know how it could be controlling her or when it had a chance to scratch her...
That is the actual Holly though, which is why she checked the back of her neck after seeing Jack... However something is in her head, hence seeing Jack in the mirror, and her listening to music and twisting her hair.
I don't understand why she would say "Who's Terry?" Both her and El Cuco clearly know who Terry is.
The only thing I can think of is... there is another El Cuco. She specifically asked him if there were others and he was ambiguous. And that allows for a season 2.
I'll be honest, I thought her hair was moving on its own/in reverse as well for some reason. I haven't gone back to look again, but I legit thought El Cuco's ghost had taken over her hair or something, thought "whatever," and turned it off.
Yeah, if there's another season, I'm assuming it's another/different El Cuco. I feel like that question was specifically setting that up.
Oh really? Well maybe it was
Ok, I just went back and checked. Literally, the last split second of the last shot, her braids on her right (our left) 100% do some kind of freaky stutter and move on their own. I think they even do it a second or two before, but it's more subtle. And before that final shot, the camera does a very explicit close up/pan across the back of her head/braids. I guess the implication is that underneath the braids she might have the bubbling on her neck now? And it's having some weird affect on her braids? I have no idea. Whatever it is, I think it's dumb and way too vague, but her braids for sure move on their own.
Interesting
Quote:
The Outsider has one more Easter eggs for attentive fans. As Holly listens to the radio the song "Washington Square" by The Village Stompers plays. Just two episodes ago, Ralph shared a personal anecdote about that song. Before she died, Ralph's mother mentioned that she loved that song. Ralph listened to the song shortly after her death and then years later when his son was born, he heard the song on the radio for only the second time in his life.
There was also the battle quote that Holly had trouble remembering when they were under fire.
That ending was a lot.
Yeah, for a show where things started to feel like a bit of a time kill, the last episode felt rushed. The clean-up related to Terry seemed a bit rushed and confusing too. Maybe I'm an idiot so please correct me if I'm wrong, but here is how I took it:
1) They are chalking the child murders up to an alpha that is still on the loose and got Jack Watkins to do his bidding? If so, there's a thing with it's ****ing head caved in in the cave and it just so happens to have Claude's DNA.
2) The DA has some hokey way to dismiss the forensic evidence by saying since Terry's DNA was mixed with the victim's, it's not reliable/usable. WTF is that.
3) How do you explain Claude being on the attempted kidnapping video. I guess Ralph is there to vouch for Claude's whereabouts, but it still leaves the "why the F does this so called alpha killer y'all are telling us about look just like Claude?" for anyone else that looks into it.
The inconsistency of how el cuco supposedly operates over the past few episodes was frustrating as well.
1) They are chalking the child murders up to an alpha that is still on the loose and got Jack Watkins to do his bidding? If so, there's a thing with it's ****ing head caved in in the cave and it just so happens to have Claude's DNA.
2) The DA has some hokey way to dismiss the forensic evidence by saying since Terry's DNA was mixed with the victim's, it's not reliable/usable. WTF is that.
3) How do you explain Claude being on the attempted kidnapping video. I guess Ralph is there to vouch for Claude's whereabouts, but it still leaves the "why the F does this so called alpha killer y'all are telling us about look just like Claude?" for anyone else that looks into it.
The inconsistency of how el cuco supposedly operates over the past few episodes was frustrating as well.
So many issues with the last episode beyond the ones stated above..
No covering fire for homie trying to get cell service to call for back up??
Then once he dies and Jack is dead, they don't go call for backup?
They know cuco is in the cave and it has only one entrance...
Ralph was adamant the entire season to his wife and others they'll find his location and let the big dogs do the heavy lifting ie get a large task force involved or at least other people.
They instead they raid the cave with two pistols...against a demonic entity. Knowingly.
So so so dumb I'm so many levels. So much potential and so much let down
No covering fire for homie trying to get cell service to call for back up??
Then once he dies and Jack is dead, they don't go call for backup?
They know cuco is in the cave and it has only one entrance...
Ralph was adamant the entire season to his wife and others they'll find his location and let the big dogs do the heavy lifting ie get a large task force involved or at least other people.
They instead they raid the cave with two pistols...against a demonic entity. Knowingly.
So so so dumb I'm so many levels. So much potential and so much let down
IMO, they missed a golden opportunity at the end in cave for El Cuco to explain his "backstory", at least more than he did. It was a little bit of a letdown when they asked him questions his reply of "I dunno".
Does El Cuco has have a true form, or is it just a spiritual entity who has to eat in order to preserve the body it is occupying? It would have been cool to find out there is an entire race, albeit small, of "El Cucos" scattered across the globe.
Does El Cuco has have a true form, or is it just a spiritual entity who has to eat in order to preserve the body it is occupying? It would have been cool to find out there is an entire race, albeit small, of "El Cucos" scattered across the globe.
Perfect adaptation of a Stephen King novel. Nailed the feeling of disappointment that accompanies the conclusion to his books.
I listened to The Watch podcast today in which they talked about the finale and they had reached out to someone involved with The Outsider to get clarification on the whole Holly/"Who's Terry?" thing, and it's basically this... Holly said that in a "This case doesn't exist / No one's ever going to discuss this again." kind of way. So it was just a sarcastic, dismissive way of saying they were both figuratively and literally going to bury the case / the existence of El Cuco. Andy and Chris, the two hosts, both agreed that it was confusing as hell, as was much of the finale.
Thank you
wait...what? How does that make sense? They still went to great lenghts to exonerate Terry...it wasn't buried.TCTTS said:
I listened to The Watch podcast today in which they talked about the finale and they had reached out to someone involved with The Outsider to get clarification on the whole Holly/"Who's Terry?" thing, and it's basically this... Holly said that in a "This case doesn't exist / No one's ever going to discuss this again." kind of way. So it was just a sarcastic, dismissive way of saying they were both figuratively and literally going to bury the case / the existence of El Cuco. Andy and Chris, the two hosts, both agreed that it was confusing as hell, as was much of the finale.
I thought it was because of the way her mind works and she didn't bother to remember his name (because she retains stuff she only deems "important.")
Again, I agree it makes no sense, but that's the official explanation.
They address it at the 20:10 mark (or -56:42)...
https://www.theringer.com/2020/3/9/21172335/the-outsider-season-finale-devs-season-premiere-and-an-interview-with-president-of-amc-sarah-barnett
https://www.theringer.com/2020/3/9/21172335/the-outsider-season-finale-devs-season-premiere-and-an-interview-with-president-of-amc-sarah-barnett
Man this was a tough finale....characters making dumb decisions, a contrived cave collapse, awful confusing dialogue ("Damn you to hell"...really? like, really?)
And wtf, can a demon that can shapeshift, read minds, project images and possess general immorality be any LESS threatening?
And why in the world would Ralph want to give that thing a swift death? It was responsible for untold number of deaths. That Maria chick is STILL in jail for a murder that monster committed! At the very least he should turn it in to save her!!! IT MAKES NO SENSE.
And wtf, can a demon that can shapeshift, read minds, project images and possess general immorality be any LESS threatening?
And why in the world would Ralph want to give that thing a swift death? It was responsible for untold number of deaths. That Maria chick is STILL in jail for a murder that monster committed! At the very least he should turn it in to save her!!! IT MAKES NO SENSE.
Oh ***** I forgot about the cave collapse idiocy. Don't talk too loud or you might collapse these stalactites that have been here for thousands of years. Probably hundreds of thousands or millions of years. WTF was that.
Bingo Bango Bongo said:
Oh ***** I forgot about the cave collapse idiocy. Don't talk too loud or you might collapse these stalactites that have been here for thousands of years. Probably hundreds of thousands or millions of years. WTF was that.
I forgot about that
In the moment that seemed so stupid
They did set up the fact that the cave previously collapsed due to people yelling. Still pretty unrealistic though. And what the heck happened once the cave collapsed? It seemed like a few seconds of chaos and then business as normal.
I can't believe how incredibly easy it was to kill subdue El Cuco. I mean, he said "and I need to feed" and then took the slowest, smallest step towards Ralph. I get that they've been harping on the fact that he's weak between feedings but come on.
I can't believe how incredibly easy it was to kill subdue El Cuco. I mean, he said "and I need to feed" and then took the slowest, smallest step towards Ralph. I get that they've been harping on the fact that he's weak between feedings but come on.
Featured Stories
See All
Jones aspires to join A&M's lineage of great defensive ends
by Olin Buchanan
14:22
22h ago
6.8k
Doubleheader sweep clinches second straight SEC series victory
by Richard Zane
Spring Football Snippets: Practice No. 8
by Olin Buchanan
13:35
22h ago
2.8k
Ford & Co. wins top-15 SEC series with UGA
by Kayla Gaither
47:54
11h ago
1.8k