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*** THE OUTSIDER - Limited Series (HBO) ***

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M.C. Swag said:

Big fan. I still think his role as Danny in Bloodline remains his apex mountain, but it's nice to see him play a protagonist (seemingly) in this show.

Also, Julianne Nicholson (who plays Bateman's wife) has been great so far.
BUMP for Julianne Nicholson.

What an absolutely brilliant acting job by her. That scene where she dares to accept that her husband could have murdered that kid was something.
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I think the whole cast has been great so far. Top notch work putting it together so whomever the casting director is deserves props.

HBO has absolutely killed it as of late. 3 big time shows in a row with Succession, Watchmen, and now this.

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Why was this episode so short?

This show has kinda left me feeling like they are dragging out the scenes. Too slow to keep me interested and now they shorten the episode.

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maca1028
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I'm loving this show so far but I have no doubt that after jumping in this thread and reading a few pages I'll probably hate it.
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The runtime didn't bother me at all. In fact, I thought this one was one of the most satisfying episodes yet. Love where this is heading.
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Marc Menchaca is really doing an amazing job too.

Nothing wrong with a slow burn. I hope the pay off is worth the wait...
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Is there only 8 episodes?
TCTTS
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Ten.
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maca1028 said:

I'm loving this show so far but I have no doubt that after jumping in this thread and reading a few pages I'll probably hate it.

Not everyone hates it. It is my favorite show right now and I am all caught up.
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Have t read the thread. To me the show has been really underwhelming. The mystery of how it began and the reveal was....so flat and uneventful. Acting has been meh
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This show has gone from "man, this is awesome" to "it's not terrible but the only reason I'm watching is because I'm invested". Reminds of The Night Of in that regard.
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Still enjoying the show. The couple viewing the house for sale annoyed the **** out of me. Can't wait to see how this wraps up. I hope we learn more about the background of the entity.
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I liked this weeks episode a lot. Had a few tense moments and moved the story along. Looking forward to seeing how this wraps up.
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I'm only 4 episodes in so far, but man I love this show. Lots in common with True Detective and Sharp Objects as well. I also like that even though I had a theory early on, it turned into something else completely. Every character is great so far, love the addition of the private investigator who is a little off. With a bizarre story that's difficult to make sense of, her character works really well, she's basically serving as the tour guide into all the craziness.

This is must see tv, I don't get anyone that thinks it's too slow. The pacing completely works for me, the tension never lets up. This is a show that is totally suspenseful, I can't look away.
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You might wanna catch up to the thread before commenting on reactions.
Proposition Joe
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Heh, yeah... through 3 episodes the pacing was great.

We've been at a stand-still since.
Silky Johnston
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I am enjoying the series so far, but I felt that Sunday's episode was totally unnecessary. How did the story advance past what we already know? Hopefully it picks up, because my enthusiasm is waning.
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So I've finally caught up enough to join the thread.

I'm still enjoying it, but I think you have to approach the show as more of a look at what it would take to convince normal, rational people that something crazy is happening and less of it being a show about something crazy happening.

If you look at it through that lens, then these last few episodes have been pretty good. If you don't, then it kind of feels like we're spinning our wheels.
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Silky Johnston said:

I am enjoying the series so far, but I felt that Sunday's episode was totally unnecessary. How did the story advance past what we already know? Hopefully it picks up, because my enthusiasm is waning.
I agree with what bobinator said above, this show is a bit different because it spelled out pretty early what the big mystery was. Now it's a show about how the main characters are coming to grips with and (hopefully) confronting the supernatural.

That said, I think this episode had some major character growth/story progression moments:

- Ralph finally coming to grips with the supernatural possibility
- People realizing that something is controlling Jack
- The characters' realization that Claude is likely the next to have a doppleganger

I think that last one is the biggest plot point of this episode. It finally gives the characters something to look for to capture the Outsider.
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Yup. Confirmed.

bobinator
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Another big moment in this episode (that I forgot about until the video posted above) is the wife's reaction to the story. If the only explanation is something this crazy, then maybe he actually did do it?

Again, the journey here is how the people are reacting, absorbing, pushing back, etc.
Proposition Joe
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I don't mind looking at it from that angle when it comes to the detective, but the other 75% of the run-time each episode doesn't even deal with that. It is very purposely dragging scenes out that really don't serve any purpose to the narrative. The strip club guy... We know he has been scratched. Yet in the last 4 episodes we've spent 5+ minutes just concentrating on him doing... nothing. Even the latest episode where he decides to leave the club... it didn't further along the narrative whatsoever. It's filler.

This episode alone... At the end of last episode Holly appears to be "trapped" in the car and that creates the cliff-hanger tension leading into the next episode. Yet to move the narrative along we have him allow her to leave the vehicle to go take a leak?

Then we have the two detectives leaving the apartment and deciding to go after them, but they don't want to put out a BOLO to spook them, they just plan on catching up to them... Yet when they reach the gas station -- and find out for sure that Holly is with him and in danger -- they decide they are too far ahead and to head back home. It's filler.

I think at this point we've probably clocked at least 20+ minutes of screen-time simply of Jack in the forest saying "why me?".

King is one of my favorites, but it's clear that there's simply not enough meat on the bone for this story to be a 10 episode miniseries but HBO just needed it to be. Doctor Sleep was 531 pages and came in with a 150 minute run time.

The Outsider was 560 pages and is trying to fill 500+ minutes of run-time.

It's 75% filler. Well acted and well produced, but paper-thin.
Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag
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Neither of those scenes were filler.
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Proposition Joe
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In what ways did they move the narrative along?
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What am I missing here? The last scene threw me for a loop. Was that just a dream that Holly had? And if it was just a Dream, why was she freaking out so much?

I feel like I must be missing something bc no one is talking about the last scene. I was watching it while almost falling asleep but don't think I missed a scene or anything.

I'm really enjoying the show.
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mavsfan4ever said:

What am I missing here? The last scene threw me for a loop. Was that just a dream that Holly had? And if it was just a Dream, why was she freaking out so much?

I feel like I must be missing something bc no one is talking about the last scene. I was watching it while almost falling asleep but don't think I missed a scene or anything.

I'm really enjoying the show.
Yes, it was a dream. She was freaking out so much probably because it had finally infiltrated her dreams; I think she had been able to steer clear of it all until then. Probably a release as well from the days' earlier happenings as well.
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Anagrammatic Nudist said:

mavsfan4ever said:

What am I missing here? The last scene threw me for a loop. Was that just a dream that Holly had? And if it was just a Dream, why was she freaking out so much?

I feel like I must be missing something bc no one is talking about the last scene. I was watching it while almost falling asleep but don't think I missed a scene or anything.

I'm really enjoying the show.
Yes, it was a dream. She was freaking out so much probably because it had finally infiltrated her dreams; I think she had been able to steer clear of it all until then. Probably a release as well from the days' earlier happenings as well.


Could it also be the outsider messing with her? She's powerful but it seemed she was out of control with her emotions for the first time.
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Didn't she have a dream on the Greyhound bus that almost caused the bus to crash a few episodes ago? It was with the "infected" man that ended up getting killed by the cops.
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Yeah, it's clearly trying to mess with her.
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Proposition Joe said:

In what ways did they move the narrative along?
Claude leaving town is an important plot point, as now they have to go find him, given that they believe he is the next victim.

They didn't stop following Holly and Jack because they were "too far ahead", they stopped because they could no longer track them given that their phones were ditched/destroyed. I'm not sure why you'd consider either of those scenes filler, they were both necessary scenes given previous and future events.
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Personally, Claude! is one of my favorite posters on TexAgs and I'd hate to see him leave.
Proposition Joe
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Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:

Proposition Joe said:

In what ways did they move the narrative along?
Claude leaving town is an important plot point, as now they have to go find him, given that they believe he is the next victim.

They didn't stop following Holly and Jack because they were "too far ahead", they stopped because they could no longer track them given that their phones were ditched/destroyed. I'm not sure why you'd consider either of those scenes filler, they were both necessary scenes given previous and future events.

I'm doing my best not to piss people off and bash at every turn to if I'm getting annoying just ignore me.

That being said...

They stopped because as they put it they have a "90 minute head start" -- which didn't seem to matter when they set out after them. Ignoring that they went as far as to say they could ping the cell phones to an exact location (rather than just a tower), which isn't realistic -- they specifically stated they had pinged BOTH cell phones, it's how they knew Jack and Holly were together.

Holly's phone was destroyed. Jack's wasn't. They could have "pinged" it just like they did before and continued to follow the two people they assume are still together, one of which is in grave danger. But nope. They decide to head back home -- where lo and behold Holly is. It just didn't make any sense for a detective to do... but this is the same detective that looked at two near-identical sketches of a murder suspect and instead of looking for that suspect, accused his wife of having a nightmare.

I'm going to assume the Holly/Jack driving scene was shoe-horned in there specifically to give Holly a reason to try and "save" Jack later on in the story since she now knows he's in pain. I'd be fine with that if this was TD1 Harrelson and McConaghey back and forth dialogue in a car where you are hanging on every word. But this... wasn't that.

Even the dialogue isn't meshing. Holly is stating that this thing is scared of her because it doesn't like to be known and prefers to stay in hiding and that she poses a threat as she might expose it. Except of course the scene where Jason Bateman's doppelganger *looks directly at the security camera and then flips them off*.


There simply wasn't 10 hours worth of material from the book and it shows. If they had to do 10 episodes, Episodes 1-3 and their reveals should have been paced out far better. Seems like we're getting Great episodes 1-3, filler for episodes 4-8, and then I'm hoping for a decent finale.
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ExpressAg11 said:

Didn't she have a dream on the Greyhound bus that almost caused the bus to crash a few episodes ago? It was with the "infected" man that ended up getting killed by the cops.


Yep, good point, thanks.
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Proposition Joe said:

Even the dialogue isn't meshing. Holly is stating that this thing is scared of her because it doesn't like to be known and prefers to stay in hiding and that she poses a threat as she might expose it. Except of course the scene where Jason Bateman's doppelganger *looks directly at the security camera and then flips them off*.
I thought his doppleganger was going out of its way to be seen when disguised as Bateman so that the police would have tons of evidence to hang the crime on Jason Bateman's character...to make it as close to an open and shut case as possible.

It stays in hiding when it's transitioning/transforming, right? which is more in line with what Holly's talking about, right?

I thought the show made these two points pretty clear.
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That. I disagree with many of your opionions on this thread Texags. Millenials...
 
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