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*** THE OUTSIDER - Limited Series (HBO) ***

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coastsrs said:

Why did bateman fly between his town and the teacher conference when it was 70 miles away?

That part makes no sense. No one would fly that distance.

Maybe i confused it with the Dayton fam vacation but pretty sure he said he hopped on a flight with 2 other people to go to the teacher conference on censoring books as his alibi.


You are mixing it up with the Dayton vacation.
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If others still enjoy it that's great, it's got excellent production value, but now that we are in the "time to examine the devil did it angle" phase and not a character or true investigative study, not sure I will hang on.
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I got bored after the 2nd ep. Haven't caught back up. Seems like it has all the parts...just wasn't capturing me.
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Episode 5 streaming now due to Super Bowl.
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I'm absolutely engrossed in this show. Can't believe people didn't get interest. I'm a huge horror fan tho especially of stuff like this. This is good stuff. Haven't read the book. Can't wait to see where this goes. Heavy foreshadowing about the structures and whatnot, like that's where this thing lives or teleports between somehow.

Really interested to see how they can tie the supernatural part into real life, I.e., explaining what really happened without saying oh it was the boogeyman
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Can't believe we're only halfway through the season. No idea how the next five episodes are going to unfold, but the new "on the episodes ahead" trailer looked awesome.
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BenFiasco14 said:

I'm absolutely engrossed in this show. Can't believe people didn't get interest. I'm a huge horror fan tho especially of stuff like this. This is good stuff. Haven't read the book. Can't wait to see where this goes. Heavy foreshadowing about the structures and whatnot, like that's where this thing lives or teleports between somehow.

Really interested to see how they can tie the supernatural part into real life, I.e., explaining what really happened without saying oh it was the boogeyman
I actually prefer they not try to do too much explaining of the supernatural. The less we know about the boogeyman the better. He is the embodiment of grief. He is what happens when you let grief consume you. I think the son appearing to Ralph and telling him that he needs to let him go is a bit of foreshadowing on how they will defeat the boogeyman, something to do with letting go of their grief.
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Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:

BenFiasco14 said:

I'm absolutely engrossed in this show. Can't believe people didn't get interest. I'm a huge horror fan tho especially of stuff like this. This is good stuff. Haven't read the book. Can't wait to see where this goes. Heavy foreshadowing about the structures and whatnot, like that's where this thing lives or teleports between somehow.

Really interested to see how they can tie the supernatural part into real life, I.e., explaining what really happened without saying oh it was the boogeyman
I actually prefer they not try to do too much explaining of the supernatural. The less we know about the boogeyman the better. He is the embodiment of grief. He is what happens when you let grief consume you. I think the son appearing to Ralph and telling him that he needs to let him go is a bit of foreshadowing on how they will defeat the boogeyman, something to do with letting go of their grief.


I meant how they'll explain it to people in the show, not us the viewers. Like in the preview for the coming weeks Maitlans wife says something like "this is your plan to exonerate my husband? The ****ing boogeyman??"

Good call on the foreshadowing there about the grief. Id wager that'll be dead on.
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Still watching, but this is taking far too long to get where it's going. They are having to stretch it out to build tension but it's feeling cheap in some scenes ("oh my gosh my baby is gone! oh no it's actually on the porch with my husband").

The detective is dealing with the weirdest thing he's ever experienced, something that a few other people in the town have also been exposed to, yet when his wife comes home and says something really weird happened at work (enough to pour a stiff drink) he doesn't question her on it?

And am I right that she drew the same stroke-faced-demon-man that the boy did and showed it to her husband, or was that just the same picture from the boy?
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They were very similar pictures yes.
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BenFiasco14 said:

They were very similar pictures yes.

So he knows there's still something out there that killed the boy (and the others), knows its weird, knows his wife had something weird happen at work, knows it supposedly told the little girl to warn him, and then his wife draws the same exact unique looking weird figure as the boy.... and he's still telling her she dreamed it?

Not really a crackerjack detective there.
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Proposition Joe said:

BenFiasco14 said:

They were very similar pictures yes.

So he knows there's still something out there that killed the boy (and the others), knows its weird, knows his wife had something weird happen at work, knows it supposedly told the little girl to warn him, and then his wife draws the same exact unique looking weird figure as the boy.... and he's still telling her she dreamed it?

Not really a crackerjack detective there.


Not defending the shows logic, but before she drew the picture and handed it to him and then leaving the car, they had the conversation about her "dream" on their back patio and his rationalization for it was that the little girl put it into her head and it scared her, hence why she had a nightmare about it so similar to the girls story.
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BenFiasco14 said:

Proposition Joe said:

BenFiasco14 said:

They were very similar pictures yes.

So he knows there's still something out there that killed the boy (and the others), knows its weird, knows his wife had something weird happen at work, knows it supposedly told the little girl to warn him, and then his wife draws the same exact unique looking weird figure as the boy.... and he's still telling her she dreamed it?

Not really a crackerjack detective there.


Not defending the shows logic, but before she drew the picture and handed it to him and then leaving the car, they had the conversation about her "dream" on their back patio and his rationalization for it was that the little girl put it into her head and it scared her, hence why she had a nightmare about it so similar to the girls story.

Yeah, and I get what they are trying to push that he just has this complete refusal to accept the paranormal and that everything has an explanation, which is fairly common in King stories... It just seems like even if he has forced himself to believe that whoever killed this kid isn't supernatural, that if two people describe the same guy (and it's better than any of his other leads by far) that discounting it seems really unrealistic.
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Proposition Joe said:

BenFiasco14 said:

They were very similar pictures yes.

So he knows there's still something out there that killed the boy (and the others), knows its weird, knows his wife had something weird happen at work, knows it supposedly told the little girl to warn him, and then his wife draws the same exact unique looking weird figure as the boy.... and he's still telling her she dreamed it?

Not really a crackerjack detective there.
I thought they did a good job in this scene of showing how engrossed he was in the investigation. He was reading something the PI sent him and didn't even look up to see his wife. You could tell he was a million miles away, deep in thought.
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WES2006AG said:

Proposition Joe said:

BenFiasco14 said:

They were very similar pictures yes.

So he knows there's still something out there that killed the boy (and the others), knows its weird, knows his wife had something weird happen at work, knows it supposedly told the little girl to warn him, and then his wife draws the same exact unique looking weird figure as the boy.... and he's still telling her she dreamed it?

Not really a crackerjack detective there.
I thought they did a good job in this scene of showing how engrossed he was in the investigation. He was reading something the PI sent him and didn't even look up to see his wife. You could tell he was a million miles away, deep in thought.

I can buy that in a scene like that where he's just partially listening to her.

But he wakes up to broken glass and bloody footprints all over the floor and she draws a picture of the hooded guy and he's still in "nothing to see here" mode?

It's being purposely oblivious to draw out the narrative IMO.
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The story is still engrossing, but the plot is starting to suffer from the classic Stephen King disease (start strong, pewter out).

It feels like show is killing time. Like, every plot thread is unspooling at a brutal crawl, and while that wasn't necessarily an issue right off the bat, the slow burn is starting to rob the show of its intrigue. This is partly because we can see what's happening or about to happen, and yet the show is still playing coy.

Take Jack, for instance. We know he's been infected by whatever thing/being/demon has been ruining families across numerous states. We know he's close to blowing up and doing something truly heinous and violent, and the show is teasing us with it. Ideally, our knowledge would help build tension. But that tension can only be sustained for so long, and right now The Outsider is running out of steam. Every scene with Jack is the same: he's brash and offensive and this might finally be the moment where he lashes out, but then he doesn't. We're watching the same thing over and over again.
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Man, I'm the complete opposite on some of these points. It seems totally believable to me that Ralph (or anyone, really) still wouldn't have jumped to a "Welp, I guess the Boogieman is real" conclusion yet. In fact, if he would have already come around to believing that I would have been like, "What???" That, and I think the pacing has been perfect so far. I don't find this show slow or dragging at all. I admit that I don't really connect on an emotional level to any of the characters, and that I have no idea how they're going to fill another five hours of content, but overall I think this show has been impeccably produced.
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some people prefer the Ozark / Stranger Things method (non-stop can't turn it off-action)

both ok shows, don't get me wrong....but this isn't meant to be the same mass-appeal product imo

liking it a lot so far
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TexasAggie008 said:

some people prefer the Ozark / Stranger Things method (non-stop can't turn it off-action)

both ok shows, don't get me wrong....but this isn't meant to be the same mass-appeal product imo

liking it a lot so far


Also feel like you don't need the non stop action can't turn it off method when it's a limited series anyway. However I WISH we didn't have to wait a week for each episode. I EASILY would've binged this whole thing.
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TexasAggie008 said:

some people prefer the Ozark / Stranger Things method (non-stop can't turn it off-action)

both ok shows, don't get me wrong....but this isn't meant to be the same mass-appeal product imo

liking it a lot so far
I don't mean "action" like explosions or gunfights or anything like that, but rather more "things" happening.

Where the deliberate pace has contributed to the various themes in some episodes, the last episode feels mostly..."immobile."

The "investigative" details of Holly's cemetery excursions can be revealing and necessary, but the show is doling them out like crumbs, and that's not feeling like enough to fuel the mystery they're intent on maintaining. There's still alot of interesting things going on, like Ralph's wife talking to the Grief Eater which was captivating. But the last episode felt very plodding and like i said, it felt like it's killing time.
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Yeah, this stopped being a slow-burn type show when it was revealed what we were dealing with. It's the boogeyman. Now it's about finding and stopping the boogeyman... Ok, but this is essentially the last 2 hours of the show:

- google searching shows another "innocent" person killed a child
- jailhouse interview with that person reveals nothing, but we get the convenient "old woman knows what's going on let me tell you over tea".
- google searching of the boogeyman
- new "innocent" victim, same type situation
- some taking pictures of the surrounding areas

And here we are... It's plodding. I think you can draw this type of stuff out with shows like True Detective because you're unraveling clues to the mystery as you go along and the viewer can play along.

This isn't a mystery anymore though. We've known since Ep2 this was a monster, we've known since Ep3 what the monster is and what it wants.
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TCTTS said:

Man, I'm the complete opposite on some of these points. It seems totally believable to me that Ralph (or anyone, really) still wouldn't have jumped to a "Welp, I guess the Boogieman is real" conclusion yet.

Ok, but even if Ralph doesn't believe it's the boogeyman and he wants to ignore all of the "weird" stuff going on (doppelganger on video tapes, unidentifiable residue on the clothes in the barn, wife stepping on broken glass and not waking up, etc...)

* Ralph is looking for the other murderer (he acknowledges it wasn't Bateman's character so there must be someone else).

* One of his only real leads draws a picture of a hooded guy with a "sagging" face that was near the van used during the murder.

* His wife says she was warned by a hooded guy with a "sagging face" and draws almost the same exact picture.


Throw the supernatural aspect out the window -- it's just an indefensible plot device that a detective would ignore that. It's being ignored because on the one hand we need to create a sense of danger, but on the other hand we've got 5 hours of show we're slotted for...
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You've been complaining about this show every week since like episode two. Clearly, it's not your thing. At this point, why are you still watching?
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TCTTS said:

You've been complaining about this show every week since like episode two. Clearly, it's not your thing. At this point, why are you still watching?

**** sorry, didn't realize critical commentary wasn't allowed in the official Outsider TV thread.

It's got good production value, and I love Stephen King... it's why I'm still watching.
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No one said critical commentary isn't allowed. There's been plenty of that in this thread from myself and just about everyone else. All I'm saying is you've consistently complained about this show every single week. So I was curious as to why someone who clearly doesn't like something A) continues to watch it, and B) continues to complain about it. I've just never understood that kind of behavior on this board. After a couple episodes, sure, I get it. But after five episodes it's a little odd, that's all.
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The irony of complaining about a show with slow burn while using the same slow burn commentary week after week.
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I've read a lot of older King books. I haven't heard of this one, but whether it's paranormal or real, he captures grief so well.
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TCTTS said:

No one said critical commentary isn't allowed. There's been plenty of that in this thread from myself and just about everyone else. All I'm saying is you've consistently complained about this show every single week. So I was curious as to why someone who clearly doesn't like something A) continues to watch it, and B) continues to complain about it. I've just never understood that kind of behavior on this board. After a couple episodes, sure, I get it. But after five episodes it's a little odd, that's all.
This is kind of a weak move. You can also ignore him if he's annoying to you, but at least his points are rational and reasoned.
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See i think at first he did write off his wife's claim as just a nightmare, but he was visibly shook with the picture that she drew cause he kept looking at it, i thought it was clear he knew it was the exact same drawing. Which is why he called his FBI (?) friend to meet up and show him the picture as well.

He can be skeptical of supernatural reasons AND still be taking things into consideration at the same time.
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Watch the preview for next week's episode. It seems like Ralph and Glory are still going to be in denial about any supernatural possibilities.
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I think most reasonable people would still be looking for an explanation beyond the supernatural at this point.
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I just started this show last week and I am already caught up. I really like it so far.

My only regret is that I should have waited 3 more weeks so I could have watched an episode a night for 10 nights or something like that. I don't like having to wait.
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Really enjoyed the newest episode, lots of action. The lady playing holly is doing an amazing job.
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Agreed. This last episode was miles better than the two before it (which I found to be kind of a drag)
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The possessed guy's mom sounded just like Pennywise at first
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