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*** THE OUTSIDER - Limited Series (HBO) ***

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Anagrammatic Nudist said:

Yep, very distracted. I watched the first two episodes between vital checks and antibiotic drips of my son's... septic knee and staph infection of the femur is no joke. I need to watch all three episodes again for sure.

Yikes, hoping for a speedy recovery.
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Thanks! Didn't mean to derail the thread but thought I would add some context to my dumb questions. Appreciate you taking the time to explain things.
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M.C. Swag said:

ItsA&InotA&M said:

What was going on in the jail cell when the guy slit his throat?

What did I miss?
lol we don't know yet. When the PI showed up at the nursing home, the Secretary mentioned something about "all the reporters." The PI looks into what happened recently to cause reporters swooping in to a nursing home in this town and discovers that one of the staff - a young black man - was arrested and convicted of killing two young girls about the same time that Terry visited Dayton.

This is the same man we see in the prison earlier in the episode, who kills himself at the end of the episode rather than let another inmate do the deed. The mystery deepens; another instance of a child murder, this time in Dayton, Ohio just weeks before the murder in Cherokee Creek, Georgia. The only connection is Terry Maitland and the van, and possibly the strange cut that he got from a male nurse when he visited his father.

Speculation;

At this point, it seems more and more likely that someone - or something - is somehow killing these children as an impostor, taking the identities of men like Terry Maitland and the man from the nursing home, right down to their fingerprints and DNA, essentially framing them and then moving on to new victims.

Maybe in a Fallen sort of way. If you havent seen it, check it out!
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TCTTS said:

Oh and btw, the detective guy who was hunting and started the fight in the strip club - played by Marc Menchaca - is the bearded, secretly gay uncle dude from Ozark. More importantly, though, Menchaca is also an Aggie.

When I worked in NASCAR I was introduced to Marc around 2011. I dont remember how I met him but he did charity work with learning disabled kids and one of the kids was a huge NASCAR fan. I set them up with garage passes and got them access to some pretty cool behind the scenes stuff. I met Marc a few times and he seemed like a really good dude. Glad to see his career progress.
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Anyone else catch Steve Witting aka Burt from the Hogan Family as the therapist?

From the looks of his IMDb he has been a lot of Jason Bateman's projects.
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Currently having a long, drawn out text convo a friend who's been watching in real time, but didn't realize until episode three/last night that Terry is dead, and is now pissed/still somewhat in denial. I'm positive this friend was high when watching episode two, but he's now desperately trying to justify his position by saying it was the show's fault for not hand-holding and, say, showing the wife crying at a funeral, etc. He then started a new text chain to bring in another friend of ours to break the "tie" and our buddy is just destroying him...

"The doctor said 'sorry for your loss' in the hospital."

"Another line from the wife to detective is basically 'how do I tell my kids they don't have a dad anymore'"

"The wife even said 'he told you he didn't do it. His last words were to you. Not me.'"

"Not to mention, the detective mentions Terry's death in like three different conversations."

"So unless Terry lost his ability to speak and divorced his children while in hiding, he's dead."
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To be fair, I felt like they filmed it in such a way that he got clipped in the shoulder so there definitely was a bit of "oh ****, he died" to it.
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Definitely looked like he got hit in the shoulder, but I guess that was just blood from his neck.

The scene shortly after between the detective and DA clearly indicated he was dead. I guess if you aren't paying attention to that scene, then maybe it would be vague, maybe.
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I assumed the bullet went into his shoulder but exited upwards, grazing his neck just enough to do him in.
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Correct. When Terry moves his hand as he's on the ground, you see the hole in his neck.
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Super random, completely inconsequential question... but as I was watching episode three I started to wonder... at this point, who, exactly, is funding this case? With Terry dead, from the police perspective, isn't the case now essentially closed? Or do the clothes discovered in the barn warrant further time/resources? I'm also wondering why Terry's wife's lawyer (Bill Camp) still has skin in the game / still has his P.I. looking into everything, which is no doubt costing him money as well. And who's paying Dibney's fee? The police or Terry's wife's lawyer, as both were represented in their meeting at the bar? Again, not a big deal in the least, I'm just not sure how any of this works in the real world, so it was something I was wondering in the wake of Terry's death.
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TCTTS said:

Super random, completely inconsequential question... but as I was watching episode three I started to wonder... at this point, who, exactly, is funding this case? With Terry dead, from the police perspective, isn't the case now essentially closed? Or do the clothes discovered in the barn warrant further time/resources? I'm also wondering why Terry's wife's lawyer (Bill Camp) still has skin in the game / still has his P.I. looking into everything, which is no doubt costing him money as well. And who's paying Dibney's fee? The police or Terry's wife's lawyer, as both were represented in their meeting at the bar? Again, not a big deal in the least, I'm just not sure how any of this works in the real world, so it was something I was wondering in the wake of Terry's death.


I'm not a legal expert but no way would the case be closed, and like they've mentioned Terry's family is looking at a potential huge civil suit against the department. They're basically preparing for a payout and trying to mitigate the potential damages... The case is so bizarre and strange with conflicting evidence that it could literally go either way.

As far as Dibney's fee, that's paid by the Maitland's lawyer, as she's doing research for him as a PI.

Again not an expert, but I think in this case them working so closely with Ben Mendelsohn is the one thing that's far fetched. I'm fairly certain there would be no contact allowed in that regard. He's basically told them "I don't give a **** about any payouts or civil suits, I just want the case solved" however, I think that he'd be terminated immediately if the department knew he was working with them. No matter how noble his intentions.


MW03 or someone else feel free to refute me if I'm mistaken
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I totally forgot about the civil suit. Makes perfect sense in that regard. Good call.

But yeah, Terry's lawyer working with Mendelsohn still doesn't quite jibe. In fact, it was the scene in episode three where the four of them - Terry's lawyer, his PI, Mendelsohn and his detective colleague - were together in that office building and first started mentioning Dibney that I was like, "Wait, what?" That said, I actually love the adversaries-coming-together vibe, I was just curious as to the actual logistics of it all.
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TCTTS said:

I totally forgot about the civil suit. Makes perfect sense in that regard. Good call.

But yeah, Terry's lawyer working with Mendelsohn still doesn't quite jibe. In fact, it was the scene in episode three where the four of them - Terry's lawyer, his PI, Mendelsohn and his detective colleague - were together in that office building and first started mentioning Dibney that I was like, "Wait, what?" That said, I actually love the adversaries-coming-together vibe, I was just curious as to the actual logistics of it all.


Not to get all Grammar police on you guys, but I think yall are talking about Gibney, as in the idiosyncratic PI Holly Gibney. Not Dibney. Just clearing it for others and purposes of referencing her going forward.

I had the same question as you TC in reading the book and it was addressed in the book that pretty much the lawyer was funding it for potential civil suit. Never really satisfied me because that's not really how it would work, but it was just one of the many things I suspended my disbelief on to enjoy the story.
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Gibney, you're right. My bad. And I can buy that the civil suit is basically the reason for everything, at least in the world of this show. Thanks for weighing in as a book reader.
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Like the series so far. And although I wish there was no a supernatural aspect, it is entertaining. The only character that seems disconnected is the D-bag cop, Jack. He doesn't fit in with his co-workers, and has attitude issues even before he gets hit on the neck. So I'm wondering if that comes in to play at some point.
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TCTTS said:

Super random, completely inconsequential question... but as I was watching episode three I started to wonder... at this point, who, exactly, is funding this case? With Terry dead, from the police perspective, isn't the case now essentially closed? Or do the clothes discovered in the barn warrant further time/resources? I'm also wondering why Terry's wife's lawyer (Bill Camp) still has skin in the game / still has his P.I. looking into everything, which is no doubt costing him money as well. And who's paying Dibney's fee? The police or Terry's wife's lawyer, as both were represented in their meeting at the bar? Again, not a big deal in the least, I'm just not sure how any of this works in the real world, so it was something I was wondering in the wake of Terry's death.
Beyond a civil suit they also have doubts that it was Terry who did the crime. The detective has said that if Terry didn't do it, their work isn't done. So from the police perspective, I don't think the case is done.
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Has anyone been having nightmares since watching this series? I have. I don't know why.
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no.
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maxag42 said:

Has anyone been having nightmares since watching this series? I have. I don't know why.


What did the mean man look like?
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
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maxag42 said:

Has anyone been having nightmares since watching this series? I have. I don't know why.


I had a dream a little girl was sitting on the end of my bed staring at the wall and I looked toward the wall and woke up. I might have said oh s-it or something when I woke up cause my gf woke up and told me to stop being a wimp. She loves scary movies etc. I'd rather watch a Dumb and Dumber
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ruddyduck said:

no.
"I think you're the one that should be scared." -Jessa
Proposition Joe
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A lot of these scenes dragging out way too long.
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Yeah, the momentum is slowing a bit. Still enjoying it even though we've now officially entered "the boogeyman did it" zone.
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This feels like an updated HBO version of X-Files. Nothing wrong with that.
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Real strong vibes of the second episode. The one where the dude hibernates and then comes out to kill/suck the life out of people. Sneaking through vents and squeezing under doors.

I'm enjoying it.
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I really don't get the "slow" complaints. I found this episode endlessly riveting and expertly paced/directed. Learned a lot, too.

Damn, what a great show.
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I'm enjoying it, a bit derivative (coming off right now as a combo of Kiyoshi Kurosawa's 'Cure' and Sinister), but it's well acted and intriguing so well worth the watch.

But expertly paced/directed?

The entire exposition of what we're dealing with was generated from "random jailhouse guest overhears conversation and leaves a note with the PI inviting her over to explain the entire back-history of boogeymen over a hot cup of tea".

That's about as lazy as you can get.
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Why did bateman fly between his town and the teacher conference when it was 70 miles away?

That part makes no sense. No one would fly that distance.

Maybe i confused it with the Dayton fam vacation but pretty sure he said he hopped on a flight with 2 other people to go to the teacher conference on censoring books as his alibi.
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coastsrs said:

Why did bateman fly between his town and the teacher conference when it was 70 miles away?

That part makes no sense. No one would fly that distance.

Maybe i confused it with the Dayton fam vacation but pretty sure he said he hopped on a flight with 2 other people to go to the teacher conference on censoring books as his alibi.
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coastsrs said:

Why did bateman fly between his town and the teacher conference when it was 70 miles away?

That part makes no sense. No one would fly that distance.

Maybe i confused it with the Dayton fam vacation but pretty sure he said he hopped on a flight with 2 other people to go to the teacher conference on censoring books as his alibi.
Where did you hear that he flew to the conference?
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Really digging this show. Only question/complaint is how fast the justice system seems to be working in this series. The black guy that "killed" the girls was already convicted, sentenced, and put in jail in a matter of four weeks? Or, was he just being held until trial? Same with the hispanic chick that Gibney interviewed in jail.
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Silky Johnston said:

Really digging this show. Only question/complaint is how fast the justice system seems to be working in this series. The black guy that "killed" the girls was already convicted, sentenced, and put in jail in a matter of four weeks? Or, was he just being held until trial? Same with the hispanic chick that Gibney interviewed in jail.
Seemed like standard protocol to me. Overwhelming DNA evidence prolly prohobited bail so where else would they be?

Either way, it's not a big deal. This isn't a court room drama.
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Misheard it. Went back and rewatched the scene. Just says "he left home...and returned". Whoops. Great show though. Hooked.
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Silky Johnston said:

Really digging this show. Only question/complaint is how fast the justice system seems to be working in this series. The black guy that "killed" the girls was already convicted, sentenced, and put in jail in a matter of four weeks? Or, was he just being held until trial? Same with the hispanic chick that Gibney interviewed in jail.
I'm guessing they had not gone to trial yet.
 
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