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Would love to see a WWII flashback scene of Indy taking on the Nazis again. Give the fans some of what they've wanted for 30 years.

Any Ark references would be great too. One of my favorite parts of The Last Crusade is when Indy and Elsa are going through the tunnel and they come across the image of the Ark on the wall and the music from Raiders fades in briefly.

Lots of potential with this one and I'm a big fan of Mangold. I think we'll get the Indy film we've been waiting for.
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Plot: Indy travels back in time to hide the national treasure from Benjamin Gates' family
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Still digging this thread title.
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Quote:

Would love to see a WWII flashback scene of Indy taking on the Nazis again. Give the fans some of what they've wanted for 30 years.

Any Ark references would be great too. One of my favorite parts of The Last Crusade is when Indy and Elsa are going through the tunnel and they come across the image of the Ark on the wall and the music from Raiders fades in briefly.
These two statements point to my favorite parts of Crystal Skull. It was basically a throw-away line, but when the FBI was interrogating Indy and mentioned his time in WWII, I was thinking - that is the Indiana Jones movie that I want to see. But then that would likely take it away from the typical IJ movie of him looking for something and put it more into the spy/sabotage camp, possibly. I suppose a good writer could weave the typical Indiana Jones quest movie around the backdrop of something in the ETO.

The second statement: there was a massive difference between TLC and CS with the Ark references. I mean, I suppose one kinda expected to see the Ark in CS, and it was right there, sitting in the crate that we last saw it in ROTLA. In TLC, it was another throw-away scene, just there for a moment and then largely forgotten. The difference is that the reference in TLC was so easily forgotten because it was a quick scene in a damn great movie, whereas CS has problems and much of that movie is largely forgettable. Still, I really enjoyed that entire opening sequence in the warehouse; it was just that the rest of the movie went on a downhill slide.
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He belongs in a museum!
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Indy has dabbled with religious relics, magic, ancient evil, and aliens.

Could time travel be next?

I mean, it kind of sort of makes perfect sense for an end-of-the-line legacy sequel in a nostalgic-look-back kind of way.
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Could time travel be next?
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What this movie has going for it is the exact opposite of what Crystal Skull had.

Expectations for Crystal Skull were absolutely through the roof.

Indy 5 simply needs to not be a completely tragic failure of the continuation of a franchise and I will love it.
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This week's Rewatchables podcast is Raiders:

Rewatchables: Raiders
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I'm a little concerned that we might get a DeNiro in The Irishman scene. I really don't want to see Ford wobbling around trying to look mobile.
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Right there with you, but I trust Mangold. I know it's not quite the same, but he gave us an utterly convincing younger Logan in Logan, he knows how to use CGI properly, and shoot great action in the process.
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TCTTS said:

Right there with you, but I trust Mangold. I know it's not quite the same, but he gave us an utterly convincing younger Logan in Logan, he knows how to use CGI properly, and shoot great action in the process.
If Mangold handles it like he did with Logan, it'll look fine.


It does surprise me how vastly different the quality of CGI can be on these massive blockbusters.
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And just for the record, it's worth reiterating that this is all rumor at this point. Yes, there looks to be at least a shot of a younger Indy on a motorcycle at night, but that was literally a dude in a young Harrison Ford mask, which means it's not a closeup. And yes, there's definitely some kind of flashback sequence to WWII/Nazis, based on set pics, but we don't yet have any idea how involved Indy will even be in that sequence. If Indy is, indeed, in it, Mangold could theoretically shoot the entire sequence without even showing his face, and only use stunt doubles, in some kind fun/quick action beat. A de-aged Harrison Ford using CGI is complete speculation at this point, and the Indy we've seen in those pics so far definitely won't be de-aged for whatever scene that is.
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They just need to hire that dude from Age of Adaline for Young Harrison Ford.

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This is what critics never seem to get. How do you give The Temple of Doom a pass on its holy hell no way he survives that yet castigate Crystal Skull for the same?

I love all 4 of these movies (Raiders and The Last Crusade are the best) but each of them have some of those moments:

Raiders - Indy thrown out the front window of a moving truck, manages to grab the front grille then survive squirreling along the truck's underside in time to throw out the Nazi who had thrown him out, and that guy is crushed under the tires.

Raiders - U-boats, anyone? I know there was footage shot of Indy hanging onto the sub's periscope, which is all fine and dandy, but I have to wonder if anyone could really survive such a trip? Oh, and by the way, why the f(*** would the Nazi sub need to travel submerged? Movie was set in 1936 and no one was shooting at them yet.

Temple of Doom - in the night club, the son unloads on Indy with a machine gun; Indy survives while running behind a giant gong then jumping out a 6th floor window. He falls through window awnings, which I suppose slow him down sufficiently prior to him landing just fine in the back seat of the car that the annoying kid is driving?

Temple of Doom - "Nice try, Lao Che!" Yeah, Lao Che got the last laugh on that one. His pilots empty the fuel tanks then bail out while leaving no parachutes. This is a Ford Tri-Motor that is in full flight mode, rapidly descending, and the only thing to do in reality is to die, but in Hollywood is to take an inflatable raft and dive out the cargo door, inflating the raft as you fall, slam into the snow-covered mountainside, slalom down the side of the mountain and plunge over a cliff into a raging river. Alrighty then.

Temple of Doom - the mine car chase with a mine car jumping a huge missing section of the track. Next time you find yourself on a roller coaster, imagine trying that.

Last Crusade - Indy tracks the cross of Coronado back to the white panama hat wearing bad guy in 1938. After working his way through the bad guys to recover that artifact that belongs in a museum, Indy sees the big tank fall that causes a massive explosion that sinks the freaking ship. Of course, he dives into the water, with this big freighter sinking seemingly not causing him any problems such as sucking him down with it. (He couldn't have been far enough away after he jumped into the water).

Last Crusade - big tank fight. Tank plunges over a cliff. Indy is quick enough to manage to see some vines hanging over the cliff's edge and then jump off the falling tank and grab those vines.

Crystal Skull - nuclear refrigerator. I'm not sure what would happen to a human body inside a fridge sent airborne by a nuclear blast, but I imagine that if he somehow managed to keep the door closed while it tumbled through the air, he'd emerge from that a blob of goo.

Crystal Skull - three times it falls. I don't recall how high the first two waterfalls were, but that third was a big one. Doubtful they walk away from that.
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All great points. And yeah, I actually like a large part of Crystal Skull. Especially the first half or so. I just remember it losing me when they're falling down those waterfalls and Shia starts swinging with monkeys or whatever. But I actually like the alien stuff overall. To me, the whole mid-century, atomic/flying saucer age was the perfect/natural progression of the franchise, they just botched the execution in places. It's been a decade since I've seen it, but I'm looking forward to the rewatch in the lead up to this.
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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

This is what critics never seem to get. How do you give The Temple of Doom a pass on its holy hell no way he survives that yet castigate Crystal Skull for the same?


One word.

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I go about the same with Crystal Skull.

Back in 2012, on the day when Johnny Manziel really started to break out in a road game against SMU, I opted for a no-football day and instead found myself in the AMC theater in Sugar Land (where a construction crew had somehow cut the water lines to the theater, so no soft drink machines) watching an Indiana Jones marathon. All four movies. Got a poster with images of scenes and characters from all four movies. Great day despite the lack of a drink (and with no drink, I damn sure wasn't getting popcorn). It was truly great to see Raiders on the big screen again.
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Ha, nice.

Speaking of, all four movies were released in 4K yesterday. I just ordered the set, and I've heard they look incredible. All new 4K restorations, apparently...

https://www.amazon.com/Indiana-Jones-4-Movie-Collection-Harrison/dp/B08Z2MDGWQ
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Yeah, I saw that when I was perusing the iTunes Store yesterday. Which was literally two days after I plopped down $50 for a lesser set. Wonder if I can get a refund?
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I feel like I've heard iTunes automatically upgrades to the 4K copy of any movie when the 4K version is released? Never confirmed it, though.
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Thanks for the suggestion. The copies in my library are 4K, so I guess that is true. But I'm not expecting to see a refund of $15.
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TCTTS said:

All great points. And yeah, I actually like a large part of Crystal Skull. Especially the first half or so. I just remember it losing me when they're falling down those waterfalls and Shia starts swinging with monkeys or whatever. But I actually like the alien stuff overall. To me, the whole mid-century, atomic/flying saucer age was the perfect/natural progression of the franchise, they just botched the execution in places. It's been a decade since I've seen it, but I'm looking forward to the rewatch in the lead up to this.
If you cut the jungle truck chase - Shia swinging with monkeys and the deadly ant swarm - Crystal Skull was a very fun movie. Cate Blanchett was a better villain than Mola Ram and Walter Donovan.
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100%. Agreed.
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TCTTS said:

All great points. And yeah, I actually like a large part of Crystal Skull. Especially the first half or so. I just remember it losing me when they're falling down those waterfalls and Shia starts swinging with monkeys or whatever. But I actually like the alien stuff overall. To me, the whole mid-century, atomic/flying saucer age was the perfect/natural progression of the franchise, they just botched the execution in places. It's been a decade since I've seen it, but I'm looking forward to the rewatch in the lead up to this.
as i was catching up on this thread, i was about to post the same thing. that bothered me far more than the fridge scene.
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I posted a while ago about rewatching all of these movies with my young son.
https://texags.com/forums/13/topics/2970566/1

Here were my thoughts on Crystal Skull. It lines up pretty well with what y'all are saying:
  • The transitions between Harrison Ford and his stunt double were pretty jarring. You'd see Ford moving like a 66 year old man, then transition to the stunt double doing some big falls and stunts. I kept thinking no way a 66 year old gets up from that.
  • Just way too much excessive CGI. The first shot of the movie is a bad CGI groundhog, and it just keeps getting worse. At the beginning they enter into a large warehouse. The warehouse at the end of Raiders looked so much better than that CGI warehouse. They could figure out how to make a great looking warehouse in 1981, but relied on bad CGI in 2008.
  • Surviving the nuke in the fridge wasn't too bad. Surviving the fridge flying hundreds of feet and tumbling over and over was the ridiculous part.
  • The motorcycle chase through Harvard is great stunt work and filming.
  • Last Crusade had some great moments with Indy doing something crazy, looking at his dad for approval and Senior looking not impressed. They tried to recreate this with Mutt and Indy, but it just didn't work. Mutt would look over at Indy who would be not impressed but I didn't buy it. Maybe because Indy had just done something more crazy or they hadn't developed the relationship enough.
  • Commies, aliens, and psychics are all the next logical steps in these movies, but doing them all together was just too much. This quote from the end was a good example: "What are they, space men?" "Multidimensional beings in point of fact." Thanks for the clarification because it wasn't complicated enough.
  • The jungle chase scene was good and bad. It started great. The ants were better than I remembered: it made for another classic over the top Indiana Jones movie bad guy death. Once they start car to car sword fighting it gets into bad territory. Mutt swinging from vine to vine to catch up to two cars with bad CGI monkeys was the low point.
  • Indiana's partner, Mac, switches sides so many times it becomes pointless. He's also pretty pointless to the plot.
I think a good edit of this movie and simplification of the plot would really help.
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They could figure out how to make a great looking warehouse in 1981, but relied on bad CGI in 2008.
I've never quite understood how this is done, but that closing scene of the warehouse in Raiders was actually a painting. I guess they superimpose the live action shot of the guy pushing the dolly with the Ark in the crate over the painting?
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Another thing I'd add about the warehouse scene Crystal Skulls...the Ark. They clip the crate and it breaks open enough so you can see the Ark (pretty much the only purpose of this part). Ok, so the Ark burns the Nazi symbols off the original crate in Raiders and they're super careful with carrying it around...but here it can take the force of a crash and no big deal.
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Definitely some de-aging for Harrison-you can see dots on his face. Could be just a nazi flashback?
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It's almost assuredly just a flashback. Still, the de-aging has me nervous. I *really* hope they've found a way not to Irishman/De Niro this.
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TCTTS said:

It's almost assuredly just a flashback. Still, the de-aging has me nervous. I *really* hope they've found a way not to Irishman/De Niro this.
I guess I'll have to hold my nose and watch this DeNiro Irishman flick (can't stand that guy). But what is your take on the MCU's various de-agings (Kurt Russell, Michael Douglas and Michelle Pfeiffer come to mind)? That opening of Guardians volume 2 made me think they had found unused footage of Russell from Escape From New York or something and morphed it into their action.
 
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