Better than Ultron, not close to Avengers 1.
*** ZACK SNYDER'S JUSTICE LEAGUE ***
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It was good, but not great. This went from like a C-movie to maybe a solid B.
Just finished Part 2, a little over an hour in, and I guess I'm in the minority, because have no idea how I'm going to watch another three hours of this. It's just so bloated and masturbatory and void of anything even remotely compelling. Not to mention, the scenes with Steppenwolf and Darkseid and whoever that cloaked henchmen was are on par with and remind me so much of the scenes with Megatron and Starscream in the Transformers movies; just the most juvenile, vapid, and dumb villain speak/motivations imaginable. Add in Diana's terrible and overly expositional voice over to that mother box origins sequence and I don't understand how people are enjoying this. It must get way better, and I'll be the first to admit if it does. Here's hoping...
It does.
TCTTS said:
Just finished Part 2, a little over an hour in, and I guess I'm in the minority, because have no idea how I'm going to watch another three hours of this. It's just so insanely bloated and masturbatory and void of anything even remotely compelling. Not to mention, the scenes with Steppenwolf and Darkseid and whoever that cloaked henchmen was are on par with and remind me so much of the scenes with Megatron and Starscream in the Transformers movies; just the most juvenile, vapid, and dumb villain speak/motivations imaginable. Add in Diana's utterly terrible and overly expositional voice over to that entire mother box origins sequence and I simply don't understand how people are enjoying this. It must get insanely better, and I'll be the first to admit if it does. Here's hoping...
The villain motivations are still not great but at least better than they were.
In the previous version, you just had PS2 Steppenwolf saying "Mother" about 80 times. No darkseid.
That hooded guy is Dasaad. Henchmen of Darkseid in the comics. I think a lot of people are just pumped to finally see DC's biggest bad guy in action.
I mean they're fairly typical comic book movie villain motivations. Honestly wondering what someone could expect.
In fact, I really dug that they made Steppenwolf basically just a dude begging to get back in his boss' good graces. Kind of reminded me of Loki a bit.
In fact, I really dug that they made Steppenwolf basically just a dude begging to get back in his boss' good graces. Kind of reminded me of Loki a bit.
Brian Earl Spilner said:
I mean they're fairly typical comic book movie villain motivations. Honestly wondering what someone could expect.
I mean basically Darkseid's comic motivations. Rule all life in the universe through the Anti Life Equation. Make every world a literal hell.
tv1113 said:
It's significantly better going from a C- to a B+ but still not remotely in the same league of epic as infinity war/end game.
I....liked this movie so much more than any Marvel movie, probably more than any CBM other than The Dark Knight.
Trim this down to 3 hours and release it in theaters.
That was awesome (but could have done without the epilogue).
Nitpicks:
The ahh ahhh ah ah ah every time an Amazon was on screen
The creepy woman singing and then sniffing Momoa's shirt
Wish the Superman shirt rip at the end had the classic suit
Could have done without the epilogue
Loved everything else. This was everything I was looking forward to back in 2017.
The humor was great without interjecting into serious moments. The action was spot on. The JL theme was bad ass. I could go on.
Not sure I want to continue Snyder's vision, especially with the Knightmare world, but would be happy if he came back for more theatrical or HBO Max movies if he could keep making movies this good.
The ahh ahhh ah ah ah every time an Amazon was on screen
The creepy woman singing and then sniffing Momoa's shirt
Wish the Superman shirt rip at the end had the classic suit
Could have done without the epilogue
Loved everything else. This was everything I was looking forward to back in 2017.
The humor was great without interjecting into serious moments. The action was spot on. The JL theme was bad ass. I could go on.
Not sure I want to continue Snyder's vision, especially with the Knightmare world, but would be happy if he came back for more theatrical or HBO Max movies if he could keep making movies this good.
This was long as hell, but damn I really enjoyed it. It felt more like I was binging a 4 or 6 episode mini series (but with an insane movie budget) instead of a film, but it gives you multiple times to pause and continue another night yet I kept going.
There's a lot to unpack, but overall this worked - and had thought clamoring for the Snyder cut was so dumb. It felt epic, Flash and Cyborg were terrific and I just want a buddy-cop movie of them, the score was great, the look and feel was Snyder-grimdark but felt much more right in this then in the MoS or BvS, all the battles and plot and character development made sense (the one thing in the Whedon cut I remember is that nothing made sense).
And any time I get to go back to the Superman theme is a treat. How the hell did Hans Zimmer pull out so much emotion from two notes?
There's a lot to unpack, but overall this worked - and had thought clamoring for the Snyder cut was so dumb. It felt epic, Flash and Cyborg were terrific and I just want a buddy-cop movie of them, the score was great, the look and feel was Snyder-grimdark but felt much more right in this then in the MoS or BvS, all the battles and plot and character development made sense (the one thing in the Whedon cut I remember is that nothing made sense).
And any time I get to go back to the Superman theme is a treat. How the hell did Hans Zimmer pull out so much emotion from two notes?
Wow, I'm definitely in the minority. I thought it was on par with the original but twice as long. Then, to top it off I hated his choice of music. He really couldn't find anything better than simplistic child-like lyrics? He spent 70-100M 'finishing' the movie that was supposedly almost finished. Think the studio threw money into a money pit.
I hated the original cut, but really enjoyed this movie. With the backstory, they actually made me care about these characters. I would love to see a flash movie, and now I'm going to go and watch aquaman, which up to this point I have skipped.
Whatever diet Bruce Wayne got on before meeting Martian Manhunter, I need to subscribe to.
Was the metal-ish theme in the original version for when the JL is finally together and heading to fight Steppenwolf?
In any case, that music is badass.
In any case, that music is badass.
No, that's all Junkie XL (who also did BvS). The JL theme was awesome.
Real name is Tom Holkenborg, who is also a protege of Hans Zimmer.
Real name is Tom Holkenborg, who is also a protege of Hans Zimmer.
Picked it up through context but I guess the anti-life thing makes Darkseids hell permanent throughout the universe instead of having to invade and attack planets individually?
YouBet said:
Picked it up through context but I guess the anti-life thing makes Darkseids hell permanent throughout the universe instead of having to invade and attack planets individually?
Yep. Basically removes free will from all life instantly.
It rids the universe of free will. The Anti-Life Equation, as well as the Life Equation, are kind of big universal deals like the Infinity Gauntlet in Marvel. They do different things, but both are what the big bads of DC and Marvel go after.
Although, in Marvel comics everyone sort of goes after the infinity gems, but in DC only Darkseid cares about Anti-Life.
I wish they would have done the New Gods movie before introducing Darkseid because the background between Highfather of New Genesis and Darkseid of Apokolips is really cool. It brings in Orion, Mister Miracle, Big Barda, and the Female Furies.
We will sort of get it with The Eternals. Both the New Gods and The Eternals were created by Jack Kirby, and were supposed to be sort of his magnum opus. He wasn't allowed to do it at Marvel so he went to DC and created the New Gods and the Fourth World, but then got hired back to Marvel so he created The Eternals to sort of continue what he started at DC. Obviously they didn't catch on too much at Marvel because nobody cared about them until the movie was announced.
The Eternals are akin to the New Gods on New Genesis, which is the opposite of Apokalips.
**** I'm a nerd.
Although, in Marvel comics everyone sort of goes after the infinity gems, but in DC only Darkseid cares about Anti-Life.
I wish they would have done the New Gods movie before introducing Darkseid because the background between Highfather of New Genesis and Darkseid of Apokolips is really cool. It brings in Orion, Mister Miracle, Big Barda, and the Female Furies.
We will sort of get it with The Eternals. Both the New Gods and The Eternals were created by Jack Kirby, and were supposed to be sort of his magnum opus. He wasn't allowed to do it at Marvel so he went to DC and created the New Gods and the Fourth World, but then got hired back to Marvel so he created The Eternals to sort of continue what he started at DC. Obviously they didn't catch on too much at Marvel because nobody cared about them until the movie was announced.
The Eternals are akin to the New Gods on New Genesis, which is the opposite of Apokalips.
**** I'm a nerd.
I saw this movie last night and it was awesome
What does Darkseid do after he gets the anti-life equation? Thanos had a vision of a balanced universe, what does Darkseid perfect universe look like? Everyone enslaved?
So, like government then. Gotcha.BoydCrowder13 said:YouBet said:
Picked it up through context but I guess the anti-life thing makes Darkseids hell permanent throughout the universe instead of having to invade and attack planets individually?
Yep. Basically removes free will from all life instantly.
Jeremy Jahns and Grace Randolf really liked this one...interesting views here though...
I went in with low expectations and ended up loving the film. Flash, Cyborg, and Steppenwolf were all highlights for me.
Watched last night. Was pretty dang good.
Fat Bib Fortuna said:
What does Darkseid do after he gets the anti-life equation? Thanos had a vision of a balanced universe, what does Darkseid perfect universe look like? Everyone enslaved?
Yep. He's the personification of evil. "Darkseid Is". He wants to rid the multiverse of free will.
Had zero expectations but was pleasantly surprised. The length of the movie only works for this streaming platform. I was able to pause and take several breaks. DC movies should just embrace this edgier, R rated concept and stop trying to out-Marvel Marvel.
So, I take it the Obama general from MoS was Martian Manhunter all along then?
CoolAggie said:
DC movies should just embrace this edgier, R rated concept and stop trying to out-Marvel Marvel.
Personally I agree - it's weird that while the look/feel is almost literally not refreshing (it's dirty, bloody, stark), it felt refreshing after the popcorn that is Marvel content (even with the most recent entry of WandaVision being the morally/thematically darkest of the Marvel output).
But, it just won't sell as well. And while it's a fresh take on it, I do get that it's not true to the characters.
But damn, Wonder Woman was brutal as hell turning those terrorists into meat pancakes and beheading Steppenwolf and I am there for it.
God, could you imagine a live-action adaptation of a DC story as bleak or brutal as Apokolips War? Darkseid and his minions literally eviscerated 90% of the Justice League
That's what I don't get about the Snyder Justice League setup. Superman is the DC boy scout and their beacon of wholesomeness, heroism, and idealism.
But the DC movies have him kill someone in MoS, die in BvS, come back to life with no memory and then wear black and barely say anything in Justice Leage, then go evil in Justice League 2 and take over the world ala Injustice:Gods Among Us or Apokolips War.
Are we never going to get a happy Superman from All-Star or For All Seasons?
But the DC movies have him kill someone in MoS, die in BvS, come back to life with no memory and then wear black and barely say anything in Justice Leage, then go evil in Justice League 2 and take over the world ala Injustice:Gods Among Us or Apokolips War.
Are we never going to get a happy Superman from All-Star or For All Seasons?
Would it have been more heroic of Superman to let Zod murder an innocent family and countless others?
It's an A- from me. I really enjoyed it. The story made sense. I had a better emotional connection with everyone. The villains were more badass. Flash provided the humor. The streaming platform is ideal for 4 hours.
No, just pointing out it's been a tough 4 movies in a row for Superman. But I still wish they had come up with a better way to beat Zod in MoS.
To be fair, he was quite happy as he regained his memory in Kansas. Also, aren't most of the stories of him in recent years more of a grey take on Superman? Him being a boyscout got old and it's boring for most which is why you've seen so many iterations of him flirting with evil or going evil.Quad Dog said:
That's what I don't get about the Snyder Justice League setup. Superman is the DC boy scout and their beacon of wholesomeness, heroism, and idealism.
But the DC movies have him kill someone in MoS, die in BvS, come back to life with no memory and then wear black and barely say anything in Justice Leage, then go evil in Justice League 2 and take over the world ala Injustice:Gods Among Us or Apokolips War.
Are we never going to get a happy Superman from All-Star or For All Seasons?
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