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In reply to TCTTS • 3:14p, 3/21/21
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I think everyone has had a positive experience with Snyder. And money talks.

I really think they'd all come back. Even Ray Fisher, who I thought was out forever. But that reaction tweet he put out changed my mind.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 3:22p, 3/21/21
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Yeah, that reaction was a pretty good sign, re: Fisher. If everyone is willing then I guess it'd come down to scheduling. Affleck seems to be the busiest, with multiple directing and acting gigs lined up, but I'm sure they could find a way. I just think it'd be a long while. Like, not shooting until 2023 at the absolute earliest.
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3:24p, 3/21/21
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Ok, finished last night...

- If nothing else, this is a whole lot better film than the original cut. It has a coherent plot, decent buildup, and a pretty solid end battle. The epilogue was odd though.

- Agreed with others that thought we needed more differentiation between Steppenwolf, Desaad, and Darkseid. I thought Desaad was Darkseid at first, also would've been nice to have some understanding of why Steppenwolf was in the doghouse.

- Beautifully shot in general but man the first half of the film takes its time getting anywhere.

- Cyborg has so much more purpose in this version, it's kind of hard to imagine that Whedon cut that much backstory and plot out of the original.

- WTF is anti-life? It's apparently important and a thing but...why?

- The Cyborg story elements helped, but one of my big DCEU nitpicks is that I don't really understand the difference between the characters' as far as their capabilities and power outside of Superman and Batman. I still don't quite get what WW can do after 4 film appearances.

- I really like the Snyder/Affleck take on Batman, gun issue aside.

- Felt like the "Lois is the key" concept got heavily emphasized then abandoned.

- Related to that, the Martian Manhunter scene seemed a bit stuck in.

- "We're all thinking the same thing" could've used at least a bit more conversation or introduction of the idea.

- Epilogue was interesting but seemed like a real non sequitur, especially seeing Deathstroke talking about killing Batman moments before.

As a whole, it was fun and definitely one of the better DC films (granted that's a low bar). Those that were deadset on loving it are going to love it regardless and vice versa, and the truth is most likely somewhere in the middle.
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In reply to fig96 • 3:34p, 3/21/21
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Lois is the key is supposed to set up JL 2 because in the original outline Darkseid would kill Lois, causing Superman to succumb to the Anti-Life equation, and become like what we saw in the Knightmare from BvS, Cyborg's vision before bringing Superman to life, and the epilogue scene.

Anti-Life removes free will, and is basically Darkseid's motivation, similar to Thanos and the infinity stones. They do much different things but they are the end goal for both characters.

Someone brought up a good point that these movies rely heavily on you knowing all of the lore beforehand, and anti-life is proof of this (while the mother boxes aren't even anywhere close to what they do in the comics or animated movies and shows).
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In reply to AgfromHOU • 3:42p, 3/21/21
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That makes sense, I've read a lot of Batman but not many any other wider DC/JL books. Thanks for the info.
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3:42p, 3/21/21
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Made the mistake of googling why the film was dedicated to Autumn... sad stuff. It didnt help reading it during Allison Krause's version of Hallelujah either.
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4:42p, 3/21/21
Is it cool to talk about the reported leaks here regarding Snyder's reported story arc for the future films since it still seems incredibly unlikely that they ever happen?

I'll leave my comments in spoiler tags for now.

For those that have read the leaks, how would the sequels not be widely panned as a wannabe Infinity War/Endgame? The plot is almost EXACTLY the same. You have this movie as the first Avengers movie, with Steppenwolf as Loki. The next movie is Infinity War complete with a failed plan to go to another planet to preemptively defeat the big bad Thanos/Darkseid while the leftovers on Earth unsuccessfully try to fight off the invasion. Everyone ends up failing, and many die. Then, in the final movie (Endgame), they come up with a crazy plan to go back in time to save the present. Their crazy plan works. There is a gigantic battle, and the filthy rich, genius superhero without actual super powers is the one to defeat Thanos/Darkseid, while simultaneously getting himself killed. The End.
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In reply to Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag • 4:47p, 3/21/21
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Fair points, but that outline was all well before Infinity War/Endgame came out. The outline is from around the time of Age of Ultron.

Also, it's not like Thanos had Thor under his control like Darkseid would Superman.
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6:29p, 3/21/21
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The DC animated universe has almost ruined the live action films for me. They're cool and entertaining, but the whole time I'm thinking how much better the cartoon versions of the stories and characters are.
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6:49p, 3/21/21
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All I know is that someone better get the gif of Superman laser sawing Steppenwolf's horn off.
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In reply to Definitely Not A Cop • 6:59p, 3/21/21
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I do admit that the JL throwing Steppenwolf's severed head and body through the portal at Darkseid's feet like "What up, b*tch, come get some" was pretty bad ass. I just wish the movie up to that point properly built to such a cool potential payoff.
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7:13p, 3/21/21
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Wonder Woman blocking all the bullets at superhuman speed

Flash stopping all the debris

The splash page of the JL (sans Supes)

I want all of these gifs
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In reply to PooDoo • 8:31p, 3/21/21
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PooDoo said:
Made the mistake of googling why the film was dedicated to Autumn... sad stuff. It didnt help reading it during Allison Krause's version of Hallelujah either.


For Autumn:

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In reply to AgfromHOU • 8:41p, 3/21/21
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Odd how that was also Zod's first message to humanity in MoS...

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In reply to TCTTS • 8:48p, 3/21/21
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When I first saw JL that's what I thought it was referring to.

I didn't notice the suicide prevention on it.

Really cool Easter egg/advertisement
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 8:49p, 3/21/21
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Wonder Woman blocking all the bullets at superhuman speed

Flash stopping all the debris

The splash page of the JL (sans Supes)

I want all of these gifs
Will you settle for these?







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In reply to Fat Bib Fortuna • 8:50p, 3/21/21
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All I can hear is "ancient lamentation music"

(If you watch with subtitles on, it says this anytime an Amazon is on screen)
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11:39p, 3/21/21
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3:06a, 3/22/21
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Stream of thought while I finally had time to watch it

Random singing scene aquaman
More random signing lois in the street
More weird singing when wonder woman is on the statue
Dumb music and scene when aquaman walks down the pier drinking slomo!!!
Dumb music when barry saves her in the car
Scene where cyborgs dad explains voiceover super lame
Barry scene with his dad was excellent
I don't think he has the right persona for the Flash,but he is a great actor
Great scenes added to the fight on the island with flash and cyborg
All of that anti life equation stuff felt dumb and needlessly complicated this movie. Less is more

Cyborg and flash digging scene is good
Same for flash and aquaman
The bringing superman back scene was better in this I felt
The scene where superman eyeballs flash mid speed is still amazing
A lot of unnecessary "this is pretty" zoom out shots
Metal guitar music wasnt a bad idea, but it was kinda generic sounding to me
The aquaman trident spearing of steppenwolf was badass

They absolutely should have done all of their individual movies first, and then this movie could have been made in half the run time with less excess, and we would have cared more about all of them
It helps having seen Aquamans solo movie, and I cared more about Cyborg and Flash this time, but would have been better another way.

Movie should have ended with Superman shedding the clark kent disguise

I like Jessie Eisenberg in some roles, but he is so wrong for Lex Luthor.
I don't know how DC will be able to do anything with this universe going forward, though they've really botched everything on the business side of things

Overall I liked it more than the first release, but ultimately it makes me wish a better/different director/writer was making these movies
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3:14a, 3/22/21
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Unrelated hot take
I don't think Endgame was a very good movie and shouldn't be mentioned as a top.comic book movie
It did it's job well, in summing up all the plot lines, but infinity was was the good movie out of those two

This version of justice league could have never been released the first time around. I wonder what Snyder would have done if it was an actual theatrical release
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In reply to PatAg • 6:22a, 3/22/21
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PatAg said:
Unrelated hot take
I don't think Endgame was a very good movie and shouldn't be mentioned as a top.comic book movie
It did it's job well, in summing up all the plot lines, but infinity was was the good movie out of those two
Which is why I look at those Avengers movies as one. I do agree, that I enjoy IW better, but Cap standing alone against Thanos' army when Falcon says "On your left" and Cap wielding the hammer are among the best moments of any comic book movie.
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In reply to PatAg • 6:32a, 3/22/21
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PatAg said:
Stream of thought while I finally had time to watch it

Random singing scene aquaman
More random signing lois in the street
More weird singing when wonder woman is on the statue
Dumb music and scene when aquaman walks down the pier drinking slomo!!!
Dumb music when barry saves her in the car

Barry scene with his dad was excellent

Great scenes added to the fight on the island with flash and cyborg
All of that anti life equation stuff felt dumb and needlessly complicated this movie. Less is more

Cyborg and flash digging scene is good
Same for flash and aquaman
The bringing superman back scene was better in this I felt
The scene where superman eyeballs flash mid speed is still amazing

The aquaman trident spearing of steppenwolf was badass

They absolutely should have done all of their individual movies first, and then this movie could have been made in half the run time with less excess, and we would have cared more about all of them
It helps having seen Aquamans solo movie, and I cared more about Cyborg and Flash this time, but would have been better another way.

Movie should have ended with Superman shedding the clark kent disguise

I like Jessie Eisenberg in some roles, but he is so wrong for Lex Luthor.
I don't know how DC will be able to do anything with this universe going forward, though they've really botched everything on the business side of things

Overall I liked it more than the first release,
I've removed what I either disagree with or (mostly) have no opinion on. Everything else I agree.

The bolded works probably for comic book fans, or people like me who were familiar with Darkseid even though he was not a comic book reader. The Anti-Life Equation is Darkseid's big motivating factor as I recall, and with the way they established it as being on Earth, it gives the reason for any sequel*.

The italicized is IMO the primary reason for the overall failure of the DCEU. DC saw what Marvel was accomplishing with its litany of lesser-known characters and rightfully wanted to get in on that. But they seemed unwilling to put in the necessary work and instead went right toward the big tent movie in Justice League. Neither Cyborg nor the Flash worked at all in the original iteration. While watching this iteration, the wife said all she recalled was that Cyborg was the "robot guy". The idiots at WB who thought it a good idea to remove all of his back story should be fired, or perhaps just shot Soviet-style for pure incompetence.

The bolded/italicized is exactly right, although after watching it a second time last night, I will say the epilogue made a bit more sense as I already knew what was coming and was able to just watch it.

*I realize that a sequel is likely not in the cards, and that is the biggest disappointment of this version of Justice League for me. Especially given how clearly they have set up a sequel(s).
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7:57a, 3/22/21
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If they ever do a sequel, I wonder how they hell they'll explain Clark Kent coming back to life.
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In reply to Cinco Ranch Aggie • 8:36a, 3/22/21
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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:
PatAg said:
Unrelated hot take
I don't think Endgame was a very good movie and shouldn't be mentioned as a top.comic book movie
It did it's job well, in summing up all the plot lines, but infinity was was the good movie out of those two
Which is why I look at those Avengers movies as one. I do agree, that I enjoy IW better, but Cap standing alone against Thanos' army when Falcon says "On your left" and Cap wielding the hammer are among the best moments of any comic book movie.
Oh yea, many amazing moments within Endgame.
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9:16a, 3/22/21
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Thought it was infinitely better than the first iteration. There were a lot of "why the **** did they not do that the first time around?" moments.

Steppenwolf was way better.
Cyborg was way better.
The first hour drug a bit, but then it picked up.
I was almost a little disappointed when I saw scenes from the first one.
Leto's Joker and Jesse's Luthor should never be seen again.
More Darkseid please.

If we don't see this group take on Darkseid, then what a waste.
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In reply to Phat32 • 9:52a, 3/22/21
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yukmonkey said:
Thought it was infinitely better than the first iteration. There were a lot of "why the **** did they not do that the first time around?" moments.

Steppenwolf was way better.
Cyborg was way better.
The first hour drug a bit, but then it picked up.
I was almost a little disappointed when I saw scenes from the first one.
Leto's Joker and Jesse's Luthor should never be seen again.
More Darkseid please.

If we don't see this group take on Darkseid, then what a waste.
My thoughts exactly. Especially the bolded.
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9:59a, 3/22/21
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For the comic readers, I mostly just watched the various cartoons in the 90s early 2000s.

Am I crazy, or was the Darkseid story created before all the Thanos stuff?

They will probably catch a lot of flack for the stories being so similar, but I'd still like to see it because I always liked both DC and Marvel.
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In reply to PatAg • 10:01a, 3/22/21
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Marvel and DC have been "borrowing" from each other for so long that I don't think they'll be much flak from that.

Almost anything Marvel has done could be traced back to a DC equivalent.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 10:02a, 3/22/21
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Brian Earl Spilner said:
Marvel and DC have been "borrowing" from each other for so long that I don't think they'll be much flak from that.

Almost anything Marvel has done could be traced back to a DC equivalent.
I meant more from the casual movie viewing audience I guess.
I would not care if it is done well.
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In reply to PatAg • 10:06a, 3/22/21
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Same here.

I just want good movies.

Sidenote: I had a conversation with a cousin of mine last night (who's a big comics guy), and we were talking about how we're pretty much seeing the golden age of the comic book movie, especially with movie-quality streaming shows coming out now, and with things like ZSJL coming to streaming services as well.

The competition between Marvel and DC will end up benefiting everyone in the end, imo. This is like Nintendo / Sega rivalry in the 90's, which produced some of the best games of that era.

(And I highly recommend "Playing with Power" on Cracke, a solid doc on the Nintendo story.)
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10:06a, 3/22/21
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So is the dream sequence(s) definitely the future or just a what might be? And how would Supes become evil if Lois was the whole key and she is alive and he is back to his regular consciousness? It would seem strange that he would still turn evil after that. I see Superman as sort of a "worthy" type of person in the way Cap is, always doing the right thing and understanding how to use his gifts for right and not for evil. "God's righteous man" as Ultron calls Cap. Seems like that would be a stretch. Granted, I don't know the DC world as well as the Marvel world.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:
Marvel and DC have been "borrowing" from each other for so long that I don't think they'll be much flak from that.

Almost anything Marvel has done could be traced back to a DC equivalent.



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10:12a, 3/22/21
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Is Darkseid more powerful than Thanos without the gauntlet? Would assume so as I think Superman could take Thanos.

#nerdfight
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Capitol Ag said:
So is the dream sequence(s) definitely the future or just a what might be? And how would Supes become evil if Lois was the whole key and she is alive and he is back to his regular consciousness? It would seem strange that he would still turn evil after that. I see Superman as sort of a "worthy" type of person in the way Cap is, always doing the right thing and understanding how to use his gifts for right and not for evil. "God's righteous man" as Ultron calls Cap. Seems like that would be a stretch. Granted, I don't know the DC world as well as the Marvel world.
It sounded to me like Batman 'let' Lois die somehow, and it broke Superman and let him get taken over by Darkseid..which sounds somewhat similar to some cartoons I remember involving Darkseid back in the day.

They had a scene earlier in the movie where Bruce is telling Diana about his dream where the Flash came to him and said Lois was the key. He also said something that implied he thought it was implying something that hadn't happened yet in the scene, from how I interpreted it.

So the future would be a "what might be", and always in motion the future is kinda thing.
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PatAg said:
Capitol Ag said:
So is the dream sequence(s) definitely the future or just a what might be? And how would Supes become evil if Lois was the whole key and she is alive and he is back to his regular consciousness? It would seem strange that he would still turn evil after that. I see Superman as sort of a "worthy" type of person in the way Cap is, always doing the right thing and understanding how to use his gifts for right and not for evil. "God's righteous man" as Ultron calls Cap. Seems like that would be a stretch. Granted, I don't know the DC world as well as the Marvel world.
It sounded to me like Batman 'let' Lois die somehow, and it broke Superman and let him get taken over by Darkseid..which sounds somewhat similar to some cartoons I remember involving Darkseid back in the day.

They had a scene earlier in the movie where Bruce is telling Diana about his dream where the Flash came to him and said Lois was the key. He also said something that implied he thought it was implying something that hadn't happened yet in the scene, from how I interpreted it.

So the future would be a "what might be", and always in motion the future is kinda thing.
ok, that makes sense. There will always be a part of me that cannot see Supes ever becoming evil without either being brainwashed, ie Winter Soldier, or if he was brought back to life and never fully was allowed to remember his true self. But seems like the chance is there. Sort of like Black Sabbath Iron Man. Killed a people he once saved....
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