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*** ZACK SNYDER'S JUSTICE LEAGUE ***

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He didn't go evil in Apokolips War.

I did really like how he was after visiting Kansas for the rest of the movie. That was very Superman to me. Snyder had mentioned a few times that over the 5 film arc he would grow into the Superman we all know and love.

I kind of wish Zod had been sucked into the singularity in Man of Steel, but I guess they needed his body for Doomsday. I get why he had him kill Zod in that situation, but wish there was a way to not get to that point. On the flip side, that was basically his first day as Superman and wasn't experienced enough to avoid destruction and death. That's why he gets Doomsday out of the city and tries to take him to space in BvS.
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Zeus & Ares fighting Darkseid:


Overheard in Bad Guy locker room after Game 7:

"He got me," Darkseid said of Zeus's punch over him. "That f***ing Zeus boomed me." Darkseid added, "He's so good," repeating it four times.
Darkseid then said he wanted to add Zeus to the list of gods he works out with this summer.

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disclaimer: not funny
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Is there any situation that NBA copypasta can't be used?
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A much better movie than the theatrical cut, but still not a great movie.

This was still a four-hour long movie and I felt every. single. minute. of it. It felt like a 4 hour long movie. Since this version was already broken up into five chapters, that was the perfect opportunity to make it into a five part series spread out into weekly episodes, like Marvel is doing. I think that would have been a better approach since it would give us all time to break down the differences between the two versions.

As it is, I seriously doubt that I'd be able to ever just watch this whole thing again in one sitting like I did last night. It was just so long.

And this was very much a Snyder movie. I think at least 30 minutes of slow-motion and long, lingering scenes could have easily been trimmed out of the first 2 or 3 hours.

They were able to change one of the worst villains in a comic book movie into a pretty decent one. One nitpick about the new bad guys were that Steppenwolf, Desaad and Darkseid all sounded pretty much the same. There was very little distinction between the voice actors.

Of all the things that Whedon put into his version that was removed for this one, there was one sequence I actually liked and missed in this one: during their first outing as a team, Flash is scared sh*tless about facing off with the parademons ("I usually just push people and run away"). So, Batman tells his to "save just one person." This gives Flash the confidence to be a bigger hero. I thought that was a cool thing.

I thought the scenes between Desaad and Steppenwolf were good and Darkseid was impressive to see onscreen for the first time. However, they have now set up a sequel that we will never get, because Darkseid was quite clearly on his way to Earth with his armada. Like....they were preparing to board their ships and hit the road. If they had the capability to use their 'boomtubes" to transport their ships, they could be here within days.

The entire epilogue needed to be scrapped, IMO. Even the Martian Manhunter bit. That was just a weird way to end the movie. In the Knightmare scene.....that whole thing was weird. It was weird seeing Deathstroke in the original post-credit scene with Luthor and then seeing him moments later aligned with Batman. It just felt....jarring. And Jared Leto's Joker was just bad. "You sent a Boy Wonder after me and I killed him!" "Yeah, well Harley Quinn died in my arms!" Just a weird exchange. And, they had a five minute conversation out in the open when everyone else had to be thinking "maybe we could do this later after we get off this highway overpass before Superman sees......oh, wait. He found us and now we're dead. Thanks, a-holes."

All in all, I'd give this a solid B+. A very big improvement. This whole experiment could have been a complete disaster, but I think it actually produced a good movie that makes me question what WB hated so much that they scrapped it and had it re-shot.
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They hated the 2.5 hour cut of the movie because they wanted a 2 hour movie

I think there's an excellent 2:40 movie in this cut. Get rid of some fat and I think the movie is even better.
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I think the original plan was to divide this into two parts a year or two apart, until BvS happened.

But after watching this movie I would rather there be a 2:40-3:00 cut than two 2 hour movies.
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C@LAg said:

AgfromHOU said:

They hated the 2.5 hour cut of the movie because they wanted a 2 hour movie

I think there's an excellent 2:40 movie in this cut. Get rid of some fat and I think the movie is even better.
Just think, with a little editing, they could have had 2 2-hour movies released 6 months apart.
I know that this was a possibility, but having watched the whole thing, I have NO IDEA where they would have made the split. There really isn't a good moment that could be used as a cliffhanger for the first movie.
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Based on Snyder's detailed plans for the JL follow-up that were posted here a few weeks ago, it sounds like *that* was supposed to be slit into two, not this one. So the plan was... Justice League (2017), followed by "Justice League 2" (2019) and "Justice League 2A" (2020) (which were Snyder's working titles, which would have of course eventually been given more formal titles)...

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/watched-zack-snyders-justice-league-read-the-two-sequels-he-planned/
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C@LAg said:

GiveEmHellBill said:

C@LAg said:

AgfromHOU said:

They hated the 2.5 hour cut of the movie because they wanted a 2 hour movie

I think there's an excellent 2:40 movie in this cut. Get rid of some fat and I think the movie is even better.
Just think, with a little editing, they could have had 2 2-hour movies released 6 months apart.
I know that this was a possibility, but having watched the whole thing, I have NO IDEA where they would have made the split. There really isn't a good moment that could be used as a cliffhanger for the first movie.
they would have had to ditch the slomo bull**** and the unnecessary epilogue that wasted so much time and included another 20 or so minutes of content up front to be able to get to that point.

the fault is still with the original script. It was enough content for two movies, or one 2.5 movie with the other 1.5 hours split into origin movies or eliminated.


I think they could have edited the script around and shot some more. Make it end right when AquaMan joins the team. Make the fight way more epic, with Aquaman's reverse heel turn being more impactful. Have Cyborg and Flash get pretty hurt. Then the second movie is all about bringing Superman back.
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I wasn't a fan of the epilogue for sure. The original Snyder cut was 3 hours and 14 minutes, including credits. Seems like they should have kept it at that, even though I loved the movie itself.
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Even though I didn't necessarily dislike the epilogue, I agree you could easily ditch it.

In fact, you could drop just the epilogue and keep everything else exactly the same, and it could've make a perfect theatrical release.
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Ditch epilogue and weird aqua man singing scene and Martian manhunter.
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tv1113 said:

Ditch epilogue and weird aqua man singing scene and Martian manhunter.


Son of a *****, I'm in
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One kind of cool benefit of this going to HBO Max rather than theaters -- all my favorite reactors are putting up reaction videos on YouTube.
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Although I have no plans of ever watching this, I am letdown that they continue to not make movies where Superman shows just how powerful he really is. It's only happened in the Justice League cartoon and in the 1978 movie (spinning the earth backward). Based on the clips I've seen, once Superman is alive again, the rest of the Justice League seems pretty moot.
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Fat Bib Fortuna said:

Although I have no plans of ever watching this, I am letdown that they continue to not make movies where Superman shows just how powerful he really is. It's only happened in the Justice League cartoon and in the 1978 movie (spinning the earth backward). Based on the clips I've seen, once Superman is alive again, the rest of the Justice League seems pretty moot.


He has some epic scale battles in the newer movies and he also makes the minor villain his ***** along with everyone in the JL sooo I'd say they do ok.
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Philip J Fry
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I liked the end better, but I honestly think it was 2 extra hours of the same crap movie. Still rate it below most marvel movies.
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Yeah... I agree with others that this went from a C to a B. There was A LOT that could be cut, to trim this down at least another 30 minutes, if not an hour. Just reducing all the slo-mo scenes and the Scandinavian woman singing, would cut around 20 minutes.

Better than the first Avengers? Not even close. Better than Ultron? Meh... I cared more about those characters than I do these, at this point in the story. I would put them on the same level. I would still rather rewatch the majority of the MCU than this movie. The funny thing is, I never grew up a comic book fan and the only superheroes I liked were Batman and Spiderman. The way the MCU developed itself is what has made me a fan of the MCU. The DCEU just hasn't done that for me.

This whole alternate reality or apocalyptic future thing they keep flashing to makes absolutely no sense, to me. I guess comic book fans know what's going on, but I find it to be too much.

I did appreciate the character development piece to Cyborg and Barry. I also like how it was Barry that had to save them.
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So, the plot of Justice League essentially boils down to...

Find and protect the Earth-destroying MacGuffin before Darkseid does.

... and takes FOUR HOURS to set up a sequel that essentially boils down to...

Find and protect the Earth-destroying MacGuffin before Darkseid does?

Which I'm sure would have been just as long and dumb and empty and dark and gritty as this one.

Seriously, though... WTF?

They're just going to randomly introduce "Anti-Life" (???) before all the Mother Boxes are even assembled? Not that it matters, because I had no idea what was even going on in the climax... Cyborg "logged in" to the Unity or something? And then the Flash turned back time somehow (who knew all it took to break Einstein's theory of special relativity was to simply want to hard enough?). And then because Cyborg *has friends* now he was able to destroy the most powerful technology in the universe? Except, of course, for the *other* most-powerful-force in the universe MacGuffin they had already introduced for the next movie?

Ugh.

What a bloated, sometimes-beautiful, mostly-ugly, muddled mess.

All I know is that I'm so freaking sick of big, growling, ogre villains that all sound the same and all look like dried turds molded to humanoid form that all want to rule the universe because... reasons... with the help of their mindless henchmen army of identical alien slapd*cks.

I would say thank God the Snyder-verse is finally over, but we apparently still have to endure the vomit residue of this franchise with The Flash and yet another Wonder Woman and a second Aquaman and God knows what else. I guess The Flash, at least, has a chance to be decent, and The Suicide Squad will no doubt rock, but I just want to cleanse everything else about the DCEU from my brain and my system.

Give me The Batman.

Give me whatever Ta-Nehisi Coates' new Superman iteration is going to be.

Give me the next phase of the MCU.

But please, let the Von Dutch of superhero franchises finally go the way of Fox's X-Men and let's once and for all move on from this nausea-inducing crap...
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Many things still annoyed me about this JL. For one, how did DS freaking forget which planet held the mother boxes and the life ending equation?
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Madmarttigan
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That's like your opinion man

I had fun watching it, don't care. I would also watch the sequel.
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AgfromHOU
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I loved the movie, aside from the epilogue, but also don't want sequels on this creative path. If Snyder wants to make someone else's continuation, that's fine, but I don't want his ideas moving forward.

The magical macguffin that can destroy the earth/universe is just part of CBMs. JL is just about preventing an alien from obtaining magical boxes and a math equation. Avengers is just about preventing an alien from obtaining magical rocks to decorate his magical glove.

It's a shame you didn't like it, but your opinion is 100% valid.
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It's bad, period. Bloated isn't even the appropriate word, the entire movie is an exercise in the unnecessary. I wonder what they decided to cut, if they had to keep this at four hours. When you juxtapose this with the entire MCU it's not even close. I didn't have a single emotional reaction to anything in the movie other than two words on the screen at the very end. The plot is stupid, so much exposition, but it's needed because there's no real backstory like the 20+ films that preceded Infinity War and Endgame. I would literally rather watch every single movie in the MCU, including Thor: The Dark World than this movie. Most Snyder films are basically a fever dream, this one is more akin to the plague. I can't pick a character that was memorable or even had a real arch.

Endgame to me all boils down to one moment that is burned into my memory. All the Avengers are down, Cap stands alone prepared to fight Thanos's entire army with a broken shield when you hear "Cap, can you read me? On your left." Multiple times in that movie I remember being in the theater and crowd losing their minds, I'll never forget it.

All that said, I hope Zach Snyder wins every possible award in the known universe for this movie. I hope he gets every accolade possible. I hope he gets endless opportunities for the rest of his life. After having to step away from the original film because his daughter committed suicide, I'm in awe he's able to keep moving and finish something like this. As a parent, I can't even fathom what he and his wife have experienced. I'll watch everything he ever does in a theater in the hopes it softens that feeling they have to survive every single day for the rest of their lives.

To anyone that didn't know that, when you see the words FOR AUTUMN at the end of this movie, it's for her. For every criticism I have of the movie, I don't hate it. I hope everyone watches it for no other reason other than to help a parent that lost a child.
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When I was in high school, this was the anti-life equation. Using it made me want to kill my teacher.

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Philip J Fry said:

Many things still annoyed me about this JL. For one, how did DS freaking forget which planet held the mother boxes and the life ending equation?
I guess they don't have OneNote or Evernote in this universe to track stuff.

Maybe that could be a sequel....a quest for a note taking app across the multiverse. In order to have something tangible for the audience to latch onto, the macguffin in the sequel could be a lost ipad with a corrupted version of OneNote on it where he has recorded Earth as the planet holding the anti-life equation.

At the very end of the movie, Darkseid finally gets his hands on the ipad....only to discover he can't remember his Microsoft account password!!!! He has no way to sync back to OneDrive in his original universe!!!!!!!

Cut to final scene of Darkseid enraged:


Movie ends and now you have a nice setup for a third movie to finish out the trilogy.
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You clearly are not a fan, yet you always post inane stuff in here.

Just ignore the thread, dude.
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Quote:

And then the Flash turned back time somehow (who knew all it took to break Einstein's theory of special relativity was to simply want to hard enough?


Dude. It's an established power of his. C'mon now.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

You clearly are not a fan, yet you always post inane stuff in here.

Just ignore the thread, dude.


He even said he has no desire to watch it. Kinda weird to keep posting on this thread.
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C@LAg said:

Philip J Fry said:

Many things still annoyed me about this JL. For one, how did DS freaking forget which planet held the mother boxes and the life ending equation?
bigger issue.

Why waste time searching for the other mother boxes.
DS could have sent 1-3 other mother boxes to Steppenwolf so he could initiate Unity, anti-life equation or not, all in the name of subjugating another planet for DS.

No need for him to be hunting for the others once 1 was found.



I thought there were only 3 mother boxes in existence. I would have to go back and rewatch the first bit of the movie where they explained the origin...so I'll take your word on it.
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Bruce Almighty said:

Brian Earl Spilner said:

You clearly are not a fan, yet you always post inane stuff in here.

Just ignore the thread, dude.


He even said he has no desire to watch it. Kinda weird to keep posting on this thread.
It's called narcissism, my dude.
 
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