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Erin's dad was doing his best Sean Penn Mystic River impression.
In fact the whole show has a Mystic River vibe. So look for the deaf brother character out there as the murderer.
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In reply to Btron • 10:07a, 4/28/21
Btron said:
Erin's dad was doing his best Sean Penn Mystic River impression.
In fact the whole show has a Mystic River vibe. So look for the dead brother character out there as the murderer.

I'm going with Katie Bailey as the peeping tom and killer
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In reply to tk for tu juan • 7:27p, 4/30/21
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tk for tu juan said:
oragator said:
But by the way, they set up another potential red herring or final solve that no on here seems to be mentioning,
Deacon Mark? The guy that mysteriously had to transfer away from his previous location and the episode preview mentions that "his phone was the last one called by Erin".

Went back and watched both episodes to get some timelines:

  • Kevin killed himself "2 years ago this coming February"
  • DJ just turned one recently meaning he was conceived roughly about the same timeframe
  • Katie Bailey went missing a year ago, was a "drug addict and possible prostitute"
  • From the "In the weeks ahead" preview after ep1, there is a shot of Jess (Erin's "best friend'), Dylan, and the dude that filmed the fight standing in a dark room looking down at someone/something. Guessing it is some time in the past, maybe around the time Katie went missing.

When Brianna walks up behind Erin in the woods, it sounds like she says "Erin, I want you to save us again?"

No what she said was "Erin I want you to dance again" which was what Erin told her friend that the fake boyfriend said to her. She was mocking her for buying that cruel line she used to taunt her in their text conversations as the fake boyfriend. It was her way of letting her know it was Brianna that sent the texts.

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In reply to Zombie Jon Snow • 11:34p, 4/30/21
Huh, guess it was Ygritte that knew nothing
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In reply to tk for tu juan • 6:44p, 5/2/21
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tk for tu juan said:
Btron said:
Erin's dad was doing his best Sean Penn Mystic River impression.
In fact the whole show has a Mystic River vibe. So look for the dead brother character out there as the murderer.

I'm going with Katie Bailey as the peeping tom and killer
interesting. possible.

what's the connect between katie bailey and erin?
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In reply to Zombie Jon Snow • 8:08p, 5/2/21
Based on the cast list, we will not know if there is any connection until next week, but tonight we might find out more about Kevin (unless it is just another "vision" of him sitting in his son's room)
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10:02p, 5/2/21
Well, that was a roller coaster
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10:15p, 5/2/21
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Not sure if we're spoiler tagging or not

Why did Mare delete the video from the old couple's home?

I feel like they'd be tipping their hand too early if it was the deacon who committed the murder. I'm still suspicious of the guy Mare's dating. Seems odd to have a simple romantic storyline in this show.
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11:35p, 5/2/21
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No need for spoiler tags in show threads, just FYI. Most everyone is accustomed to episodes being spoiled in show threads the second an episode airs.
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11:51p, 5/2/21
I think she erased it so the old couple wouldn't try to confront the neighbor on their own
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12:02a, 5/3/21
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the spoiler tags were for a theory discussion not actual show content.

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In reply to BowSowy • 10:14a, 5/3/21
BowSowy said:
Not sure if we're spoiler tagging or not

Why did Mare delete the video from the old couple's home?

I feel like they'd be tipping their hand too early if it was the deacon who committed the murder. I'm still suspicious of the guy Mare's dating. Seems odd to have a simple romantic storyline in this show.

Like I mentioned earlier, it would be impossible for the killer to be Guy Pearce's character, Richard, as he was inside Mare at the time of the murder.

And Mare deleted the video because the old lady is a c*** and Mare knows she deserves it, and also doesn't want to deal with the headache and paperwork that will ensue if the couple found out it was the kid next door.

As for the deacon, based on what I have seen so far, I wouldn't put it past this show to tip its hat this early regarding Erin's killer. We still need to know what happened to the Bailey girl from Mare's unsolved case. I suspect that conversation she had with Colin regarding how he solved his case will lead to her jumping back into trying to solve the Bailey case, and has the added benefit of her avoiding Erin's case like her Chief had asked her to do.

I think the next couple episodes will focus more on her cold case.
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10:29p, 5/4/21
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2:27a, 5/5/21
Also, forgot to mention how great and hilarious Evan Peters' drunk acting was, even down to the creepy, inappropriate pick up line. Apparently he was completely sober for that performance.
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In reply to Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag • 2:56a, 5/5/21
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That was incredible. Dude can act.
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10:01a, 5/5/21
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I think the deacon is covering for Mare's cousin, the other priest. That's who I'm pinning this one right now.
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In reply to 98Ag99Grad • 11:28a, 5/5/21
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I'm leaning towards father Dan as well, or maybe Siobhan. Richard seems too obvious
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2:18p, 5/5/21
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HBO has done this too many times you think it's this but then that was just a cliffhanger to tune in next week and I think we as a viewing society are over the bad priest trope. I could be wrong but I think the priest angle will pan out to something not "priestly" but not murder.
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In reply to Btron • 4:43p, 5/5/21
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Btron said:
HBO has done this too many times you think it's this but then that was just a cliffhanger to tune in next week and I think we as a viewing society are over the bad priest trope. I could be wrong but I think the priest angle will pan out to something not "priestly" but not murder.

I think like all the great investigative shows we have seen like this it will be a similar thing - someone we have seen briefly or just a side role really that has reason to be around but not central to the apparent crime - everything else is misdirection.

I am dismissing anyone that is a suspect - Dylan, Frank, Brianna, Kenny, Deacon Mark (except as an accomplice after the fact), and people with alibis we know - Richard (although he could be involved in Katie's disappearance).

That's why I am focused on these theories admittedly still all over the map because they have not shown us anything to materially link any of these as the killer or kidnapper:


the missing girl Katie - could be alive we don't know so could be the killer
Siobahn - see below
Dylan's parents (one or both) - simplify Dylans life and resolve custody issue
Father Dan - tbd i know of no motive
Lori, John or Billy Ross - ditto but not above suspicion
Dawn Bailey - wildcard but Katie's mom is mighty angry still
Officer Trammel - see below
Freddie - wildcard but unstable and why is he shown as much as he is
Carrie Leyden - see below
Dawn - totally left field but she was awake when Mare go home at 3:30am the night of the murder
Faye - see below

or some tandem of any two of those so that some part of it they have an alibis for

several of these are presented to us out of pure coincidence, they happen to be related, or their function makes them present, or they are some kind of nuisance for Mare which obscures any other scrutiny by the audience

First the way these work is Guy Pearce is too big of a star to simply be the boyfriend love interest. But he also cannot be the killer. Thus he almost has to be the one who disappeared Katie.

How bout this.....

Kevin is the father of Erin's baby so
Carrie knows this and killed Erin in revenge and to taunt Mare
Richard is uninvolved with the Erin mess but he kidnapped and killed Katie
Deacon Mark is covering for someone but not himself

OR

Siobahn is messed up in her head, she seems so sweet but the way she talked about her brothers suicide was unnerving and cold. She was the last to see Erin we think except maybe Deacon Mark. Maybe a secret lesbo lovers quarrel lead to her being killed accidentally. And Siobahn being very smart used Erins phone to cal Deacon Mark to help her cover it up - why I don't know maybe she has dirt on him.

OR

Faye - we know almost nothing about her except she is Frank's fiancee, hates Mare so maybe she was angry about Frank and Erin's relationship, thought it was not innocent, angry about the love child, whatever and Frank was apparently gone that night with his brothers and getting drunk. They brought him home but nobody ever mentioned Faye in all of that. Where was she????
****EDIT**** Maybe it is possible that Frank knows Erin's baby was Kevins and that was why he was helping her but Faye misinterpreted that? Also based on that would Franks paternity test come back positive if the child was his son Kevins?????
****END****

Other side notes and cannot dismiss these:

Father Dan - just too big of a red flag to have a priest in the family but know not a damn thing about him really. Just naturally secretive and the Deacon part makes me suspect him more than the Deacon.

Officer Trammel - just why is that character even needed and is his aversion to blood simply a cover for being uncomfortable with what has happened. Checkovs gun - why was this character introduced as a new person in the community and not just a rando cop without neuroses? Weird weird weird.

Since I mentioned almost everyone in the show I'll use this as proof after the fact that I was right all along - lol.


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In reply to TCTTS • 7:18a, 5/9/21
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TCTTS said:
Shooting the ex boyfriend or Mare's ex potentially being the father? Again, IMO, I think the latter is such a great twist. Hinted at perfectly and ever-so-slightly with the nod to him having been her teacher.


Denman acted that scene so well imo. That scene hooked wife and I to the show. We thought, wait a minute here. This is interesting info.

I'm really liking Denman's choices post Office. Kind of surprised he hasn't blown up a little more, but perhaps he's right where he needs to be.
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10:04p, 5/9/21
Thought I was about to have to switch the channel as Dylan was carrying that pillow
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10:29p, 5/9/21
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is bennie's tarven the bar from last episode?
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In reply to YNWA_AG • 11:09p, 5/9/21
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is bennie's tarven the bar from last episode?

I believe so.

A lot to unpack from this episode. We now have the question of whether the abductions are related to Erin's murder. This also puts Richard back on the table of potential suspects if he had a partner (owner of Benny's) and was responsible for the two other abductions. We also happen to meet him for the first time at Benny's tavern.

I don't really like that they are pushing this Zabel-Mare thing, I liked their strictly professional relationship with Zabel having a secret crush on her. Putting it out in the open feels weird given how much younger this show makes him seem compared to her, he also doesn't seem to remotely be her type. I was hoping she would pat him on the head and tell him how adorable he is rather than actually entertain dating her co-worker.

Nevertheless, Mare having a second suitor does make me suspect Richard even more now regarding the abductions, at least.
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In reply to Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag • 11:13p, 5/9/21
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Wait, remind me how Bennie's Tavern has tied back into previous episodes. I genuinely can't remember
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Replied to the wrong post
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In reply to BowSowy • 11:19p, 5/9/21
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Wait, remind me how Bennie's Tavern has tied back into previous episodes. I genuinely can't remember
Bennie's Tavern is where Mare and Richard first meet. It's where Mare is drinking before she decides to plant the heroin in Carrie's car and where she gets hit on by a drunken Zabel. It seems to be the popular local watering hole.
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In reply to Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag • 11:24p, 5/9/21
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Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:
BowSowy said:
Wait, remind me how Bennie's Tavern has tied back into previous episodes. I genuinely can't remember
Bennie's Tavern is where Mare and Richard first meet. It's where Mare is drinking before she decides to plant the heroin in Carrie's car and where she gets hit on by a drunken Zabel. It seems to be the popular local watering hole.
just rewatched the sequence from episode one- Richard's second dialogue to Mare is "is this a good place to get a beer."

Interesting
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12:11a, 5/10/21
That is not Bennie's Tavern in episode 1. The bar in episode 1 is more of a VFW bar, there is an exterior shot of it when they cut back after Erin gets beaten by Brianna

Edit: Looking at the exterior shot of the VFW in episode 3 (drunk Zabel hitting on Mare) it is the Upper Chichester Memorial Post 951
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12:31a, 5/10/21
Re-watching the episode, Mare asking "is that it?" to her mom's injuries, and Helen's reply "I'm sorry I'm not more maimed for you" was a nice comic relief
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In reply to tk for tu juan • 12:47a, 5/10/21
tk for tu juan said:
Btron said:
Erin's dad was doing his best Sean Penn Mystic River impression.
In fact the whole show has a Mystic River vibe. So look for the dead brother character out there as the murderer.

I'm going with Katie Bailey as the peeping tom and killer
We can probably rule this out
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In reply to tk for tu juan • 1:46a, 5/10/21
tk for tu juan said:
That is not Bennie's Tavern in episode 1. The bar in episode 1 is more of a VFW bar, there is an exterior shot of it when they cut back after Erin gets beaten by Brianna

Edit: Looking at the exterior shot of the VFW in episode 3 (drunk Zabel hitting on Mare) it is the Upper Chichester Memorial Post 951

Yup, you're right just went back to look, my bad. Had saw that being said on a Reddit thread and took it as true.
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6:45p, 5/10/21
Felt like the classic setup episode. Moving all the pieces in place for the final stretch run. Should mean the next couple will be really good.
But I will say that the woman who plays Dawn was fantastic in this episode.
And yeah, the pillow was scary for about 15 seconds.
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In reply to Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag • 7:04p, 5/10/21
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Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:
tk for tu juan said:
That is not Bennie's Tavern in episode 1. The bar in episode 1 is more of a VFW bar, there is an exterior shot of it when they cut back after Erin gets beaten by Brianna

Edit: Looking at the exterior shot of the VFW in episode 3 (drunk Zabel hitting on Mare) it is the Upper Chichester Memorial Post 951

Yup, you're right just went back to look, my bad. Had saw that being said on a Reddit thread and took it as true.

The bar in Ep. 1 used in filing is an American Legion.
Mare later says it is called "Forest Tavern".




This is the exterior shot in the 3rd episode where Mare ran into Zabel - yes the same sign is on both - missed it at first.






Bennie's Tavern does not look like that.




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7:25p, 5/10/21
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The date is bugging me 5.29.17

It seemed to mean something to Mare - which makes me think of Kevin.

Jan 2020 - currently in the show
Jan 2019 - Katie went missing I presume as they say it has been a year
Feb 2018 - Kevin killed himself

A heart pendant with some meaning given to Erin with the date 5.29.17 maybe a first date anniversary type thing which could be Kevin and Erin. Kevin could be the father and Erin used Dylan as we learned this episode because his parents and home life were stable for the kid. Kevin was unstable she might have been seeking something stable for the kid knowing who the father really was and not wanting to expose that to Mare, Carrie etc. with them having a baby already.

speculation:
Kevin and Erin met or started dating 5.29.17 or it has some significance.
She got pregnant sometime later perhaps right before Kevin killed himself.
If he was the father and that was the case the baby would be about 15 months or more but less than 2.
Erin covered for it by sleeping with Dylan and claiming he was the father.
Her relationship with Kevin was secret thus she never spoke of it.

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