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people need to realize its a murder mystery and only 7 episodes.

there are purposely storylines that are completely insignificant just to keep you guessing.

for example at this point it seems like the Deacons and the entire church plot is insignificant.
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I just binged all the episodes yesterday. Great show, fantastic so far. Did anyone else catch Mare saying "Let the healing begin" in episode 4 when she goes to therapy. Thats a good will hunting reference right?
And LOL at Mare's moms affair
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I stayed up until 5 AM this morning watching the first six episodes thinking I would finish it. I was afraid to search about it online and just assumed wrong. Then I realized there's one left and was initially annoyed before remembering we get one more. Can't wait.
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So if Lori & John's son actually killed Erin (drawing a blank on his name), that might explain why whoever shot Erin seemed to be a horrible shot with a gun. Shot her finger off, caught the eave of that building in the park and the bullet was embedded halfway up the tree. Seems like a grown man would be a better shot.

And good call on the weird conversation between Billy/John and John/Lori. Weird choice of words. "What will happen to Billy?" "I need to hear you say it."

The kid is definitely in it somehow.
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would be disappointing if the kid is the killer bc there's no real character/viewer relationship with him
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I'm having trouble imagining a scenario that fits perfectly, but I think that both Billy & Ryan are guilty & John is just trying to protect his son.
I'm thinking Billy is the one that got Erin pregnant but it was Ryan who killed her.

The locket Erin had doesn't seem like something a grown man would buy, seems more like a gift from a boy. Ryan had a crush on Erin, he gave her the locket. She spurned him, which somehow culminated in a confrontation that resulted in her death.

John found out all this after the fact, which is the secret he discussed with his son. He cooked up this false narrative about Billy being the killer to get Ryan off the hook and Billy is willing to take the fall because he feels guilty about molesting Erin.

Ryan snapped on the school bully for throwing food at his ******ed sister. Perhaps he was triggered by the knowledge that DJ was the product of incest and that struck a nerve since his own sister is mentally disabled?

What I can't figure is Dylan's role. He must be guilty of something, why else burn the journals and further threaten Jess with a gun? Where did he disappear to the night of Erin's murder? I don't think he killed her, but he was involved somehow. Maybe the creepy priest was molesting him and somehow that explains things? Did Erin know Dylan was abused by the priest and wrote it in her journal?
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As far as the poker club theories... weren't the girls gagged so they couldn't make noise while other people were over, so not sure that this poker club is some underground sex ring.

Definitely think the Ryan theory holds weight. Also, John didn't admit to his dad that he had an affair when asked.
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Maybe the best hour of tv I have watched in the last year. Perfectly paced, so deep, the incredible scene with the kid, and the great cliffhanger.
Winslet was amazing.
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My theory is that Billy had the blood on his shirt because he tried to save Erin somehow and failed but ran off because he didn't want to be accused. I think John is the baby daddy and actually killed her. Billy admitted it because be feels guilty about leaving her.
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I also just want to point out that the character writing in this show is phenomenal. I have lived in the Philly area for a decade now and feel like I am watching every single blue collar person I've met up here.
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i can totally see billy, john or ryan being the killer, but for some reason I think Siobhan or kevin is in the picture at the end
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Is Ryan shorter than Erin? The bullet trajectory and ricochet makes sense if he is aiming slightly upwards to her head
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I was thinking that, at the very least, Ryan knows what happened and that was the secret his father was talking about with him. Did Ryan find out his father was sleeping with Erin and killed her? Would be a strange twist for sure.
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Bird Dog said:



The locket Erin had doesn't seem like something a grown man would buy, seems more like a gift from a boy. Ryan had a crush on Erin, he gave her the locket. She spurned him, which somehow culminated in a confrontation that resulted in her death.

why would Ryan have that date of the reunion engraved on there?
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I'm guessing Billy liked Erin and he is the one that gave her a necklace. Very childlike crush and the dude seems to be the younger brother, not all there, still lives at home etc. He confronts John who is actually with Erin. There is a struggle, gun involved, Erin gets accidentally shot. " You have to say you killed her" John makes Billy clean up the body and cover it all up. Accident killing of Erin but foul play, family secrets.
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I think this is a very likely scenario, at least the struggle and Billy feeling like he killed her albeit accidentally. Then John convinces him that they need to clean it up and cover it up because he can't have his involvement and the fact he's the father surface.
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Then John kills Billy fishing. Mare shows up thinking she knows the truth but then the picture shows that John is in fact more involved and possibly the father. Then Mare has to track him down and someone close to Mare gets killed or injured in the process.
That last part is a stretch and I hope doesn't happen. Mare needs some redemption but it would fit that everyone around her goes down with her.
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What am I missing regarding all the suspicion of John? Lori was at the family reunion with John and Erin. How are John and Erin getting away from Lori that weekend to have a moment worthy of engraving a necklace?
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Teddy Perkins said:

What am I missing regarding all the suspicion of John? Lori was at the family reunion with John and Erin. How are John and Erin getting away from Lori that weekend to have a moment worthy of engraving a necklace?

well.....

Kenny said Billy and Erin were in a cabin with him.

Late night guys are drunk or whatever. Lori goes off to sleep in her cabin she shares with John and Ryan. Anything is possible in the Erin cabin. With Kenny either knowing or passed out too. Ryan maybe isn't asleep or wakes up and sees something.

Also not sure many said the necklace was from John. Most have said Billy or Ryan.

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Teddy Perkins said:

What am I missing regarding all the suspicion of John? Lori was at the family reunion with John and Erin. How are John and Erin getting away from Lori that weekend to have a moment worthy of engraving a necklace?


History of ****ing around on his wife. Easy to picture a scenario where Lori has turned in but John is still up with his dad, brother, etc. John is clearly the smooth, calculating one.
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Billy reminds me so much of Sturgill Simpson

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There is a 0% chance that Billy killed her on his own. That would be way too obvious as they have been hinting at him for a couple of episodes and then he confessed. There is a big twist coming. John possibly sexually abused Billy as a child, now Ryan and Erin?
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My revised theory:

Billy is the father of the child. Erin is so mad at Dylan that night that she tells him the kid isn't his, and she's going to get the money from the real baby daddy at the park. Threatens Billy to expose everything unless he meets up with her and gives over some money.

Billy goes to meet up with her to calm her down, and Ryan is snooping at night and decides to follow Billy to see what he's up to. Dylan, in a rage, decides to come crash the meetup to see who Erin has been sleeping with. Billy, Erin, and Dylan get in a confrontation, and during it Dylan has a gun to Billy's head. Ryan, panics at seeing his uncle in trouble, comes out of the dark and starts firing wildly at them, accidentally kills Erin.

Dylan runs off into the night. Billy tries to save Erin, and gets her blood all over him. He feels guilty having put Ryan in this position and thinks he's the real reason she's dead. John finds out about all this and knows he has to hide the evidence to save his son from jail. Also, John is really suspicious about his brother cause he knows he might tell the truth and get his son (Ryan) thrown in jail. Dylan and John talk about it at some point and agree that Dylan better keep his mouth shut or else he will get implicated in the crime.
Teddy Perkins
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This makes the most logical sense to me.
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thepartygoat said:

I just binged all the episodes yesterday. Great show, fantastic so far. Did anyone else catch Mare saying "Let the healing begin" in episode 4 when she goes to therapy. That's a good will hunting reference right?
And LOL at Mare's moms affair
I literally said the exact same thing to my wife after Mare said that line! Good ol' Good Will Hunting. Wicked smart.

Looking forward to the finale and the twist of all twists... Sucks it's the series finale.
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HerschelwoodHardhead said:

My revised theory:

Billy is the father of the child. Erin is so mad at Dylan that night that she tells him the kid isn't his, and she's going to get the money from the real baby daddy at the park. Threatens Billy to expose everything unless he meets up with her and gives over some money.

Billy goes to meet up with her to calm her down, and Ryan is snooping at night and decides to follow Billy to see what he's up to. Dylan, in a rage, decides to come crash the meetup to see who Erin has been sleeping with. Billy, Erin, and Dylan get in a confrontation, and during it Dylan has a gun to Billy's head. Ryan, panics at seeing his uncle in trouble, comes out of the dark and starts firing wildly at them, accidentally kills Erin.

Dylan runs off into the night. Billy tries to save Erin, and gets her blood all over him. He feels guilty having put Ryan in this position and thinks he's the real reason she's dead. John finds out about all this and knows he has to hide the evidence to save his son from jail. Also, John is really suspicious about his brother cause he knows he might tell the truth and get his son (Ryan) thrown in jail. Dylan and John talk about it at some point and agree that Dylan better keep his mouth shut or else he will get implicated in the crime.


well 3 minor issues, but I agree that it could be something close to that. The kid shooting the gun wildly is a real possibility. He would be guilt ridden too and they would cover that up. She dies somehow and Billy feels responsible. but my issues are:

1. There has to be some element with the picture Jess had from the reunion thing. If it is just more evidence of Billy and Erin I don't see the police chief urgently wanting to contact Mare because she already thinks it is Billy. It has to implicate someone else. And here John is just covering up after the fact. And nobody else is implicated from the reunion.

2. Ryan following Billy makes little sense. Ryan lives with John and Lori not Billy. You mean he was out late at night on his own and sees Billy.. ok maybe. I mean at this point it seems like the kid got the old retired cops gun somehow so I suppose he could be a late night stalker. I just don't know how far that park is (13+ miles from where Erin was found but not sure it's proximity to town/houses it looked fairly remote) but Erin needed a ride out there from Deacon Mark so it was further than she wanted to ride her bike. So how would Ryan follow Billy who was likely driving some distance.

3. Dylan was shocked when he found out he was not that dad so Erin did not tell him that.



But I like a lot of it just not maybe how they got there. Maybe it's even simpler:

Billy - is the father or otherwise involved with Erin.

John - again could be the father or otherwise involved.

Erin makes contact with John or Billy (not by a call or text cuz they have a record of those but through some app) to meet and the other one goes along with because they both are intent on keeping her quiet - they are together after the bar and Lori is asleep. Erin calls Deacon Mark for a ride.

Ryan - maybe he overheard John or Billy at his house going to meet Erin and simply hid in the bed of John's truck to get out there or something and brought the gun to protect her cuz he feels like she is in danger and he has a secret crush on her.

Dylan - wakes up at some point and has tracking on Erin (from when they were together) sees her heading that way and jumps in his car to follow.

Then whatever happens which could be much as you described.
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I like your tweaks. Only thing that is left hanging is what is on that picture that got the chief worked up. Maybe it's someone holding the murder weapon? Ryan? No idea
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Lots of people trying guess this thing out but a detail I haven't seen discussed is that Erin was buttass naked. Was she hooking? Was she with john or billy?
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I believe they said no evidence of recent sex for her.

Only theory I can think of is that Billy/Ryan got cut and bled all over her clothes. So he took them and disposed of them to get rid of the evidence.
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I hope we get a flashback scene of it - it just seems like it will be easier to answer questions by a flashback maybe as someone is narrating what happened in a confession. Rather than just saying who did it and wrapping it up without us seeing it.

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Was Ryan at the engagement party or did stay at the granddad's house where Billy is living?
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I keep thinking that Erins death has to somehow be related to the two kidnapped girls.

I just dont see two completely separate huge crime stories going on here being reasonable.
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You would hate "Murder She Wrote"
Madagascar
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I also still don't trust the Guy Pearce character. He's asking an awful lot of questions about the grandson and his mother.
 
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