BayAg_14 said:
One of the best episodes of the series. The cinematography was next level.
fav13andac1)c said:The Milkman said:
Guess I'm in the minority but that was by far my least favorite episode of the season. Not sure what the big answers and cliffhangers were that everyone is referring to? They're doing testing on Gemma and holding her hostage and now Mark is probably fully reintegrated.
That's pretty much all we got right?
If you want everything to be spoon fed to you all at once, this isn't the show for you. If you aren't okay with details and expanded context which add complexity to the overarching narrative and will almost always pay off later, again, not the show for you.
Y'all, How many people are they doing these testings to?!?!? We know she goes to the "Dentist"....
— JNeltah (@JNeltah) February 28, 2025
And there's an awful lot of smiles on that wall. If we really look, are we going to recognize smiles. Remember when Dylan mentions the chick he like's smile is gone. Could it have… pic.twitter.com/lv58Gvg7T5
as the designated french speaker of the fanbase, I have to point out that the song during this markgemma sequence is about a waltz as a metaphor for love, and how even if the rhythm is wrong you'll keep dancing, and their steps/love will resonate everywhere in the city pic.twitter.com/1gPQQ1ekHB
— MⱯRGⱯUX 🦇 (@LUCIDNIGHTM4RE) February 28, 2025
TCTTS said:Pahdz said:
So just scatter shooting some things here, in no order whatsoever...
- Helena now holds that sexual encounter with Mark as a potential card to throw back in living Gemma's face. She knew the whole time that Gemma was alive.
- y'all keep saying Gemma is being held prisoner. We don't know the circumstances of her disappearance. My wife was thinking she maybe voluntarily left. Some of the scenes last night make this plausible. Perhaps she left with a certain idea or intention in mind but it's gone out of control now.
- more on that...was Gemma leaving to kill herself because she thought Mark might be better off and Lumon intervened with the promise of something that could fix things?
- is MDR refining their own memories or someone else's?
- is the whole point of the show to prove the strength of human love? Is that what Lumon is trying to break?
Personally, I don't buy either of these things.
Gemma simply wasn't giving off any vibe/indication that she was leaving Mark, or that he'd better off without her. Yes, she had obviously been depressed, but not nearly to that level. Still, even if she did go voluntarily, and her Lumon stint has "gone out of control now," she's absolutely being held prisoner at this point. They're straight up not letting her leave, not letting her see Mark, and have privately alluded that they're going to kill her upon the completion of Cold Harbor.
That was my interpretation while watching, that Gemma was in on it.TCTTS said:TCTTS said:Pahdz said:
So just scatter shooting some things here, in no order whatsoever...
- Helena now holds that sexual encounter with Mark as a potential card to throw back in living Gemma's face. She knew the whole time that Gemma was alive.
- y'all keep saying Gemma is being held prisoner. We don't know the circumstances of her disappearance. My wife was thinking she maybe voluntarily left. Some of the scenes last night make this plausible. Perhaps she left with a certain idea or intention in mind but it's gone out of control now.
- more on that...was Gemma leaving to kill herself because she thought Mark might be better off and Lumon intervened with the promise of something that could fix things?
- is MDR refining their own memories or someone else's?
- is the whole point of the show to prove the strength of human love? Is that what Lumon is trying to break?
Personally, I don't buy either of these things.
Gemma simply wasn't giving off any vibe/indication that she was leaving Mark, or that he'd better off without her. Yes, she had obviously been depressed, but not nearly to that level. Still, even if she did go voluntarily, and her Lumon stint has "gone out of control now," she's absolutely being held prisoner at this point. They're straight up not letting her leave, not letting her see Mark, and have privately alluded that they're going to kill her upon the completion of Cold Harbor.
After listening to today's episode of The Prestige Podcast, I'm going to adjust my position slightly, as hosts Jo and Rob seem utterly convinced that Gemma went willingly that night to Lumon, knew it'd be the last time she saw Mark (at least for a while), but her mistake was not knowing Lumon would essentially keep her prisoner (and then likely kill her). Personally, I still don't read it that way, but am at least open to the possibility.
The Milkman said:fav13andac1)c said:The Milkman said:
Guess I'm in the minority but that was by far my least favorite episode of the season. Not sure what the big answers and cliffhangers were that everyone is referring to? They're doing testing on Gemma and holding her hostage and now Mark is probably fully reintegrated.
That's pretty much all we got right?
If you want everything to be spoon fed to you all at once, this isn't the show for you. If you aren't okay with details and expanded context which add complexity to the overarching narrative and will almost always pay off later, again, not the show for you.
I've been watching from when it debuted. I didn't say I don't like the show or get it. I just wasn't as wow'ed by this episode as everyone else.
Please enjoy all episodes equally.The Milkman said:
Guess I'm in the minority but that was by far my least favorite episode of the season. Not sure what the big answers and cliffhangers were that everyone is referring to? They're doing testing on Gemma and holding her hostage and now Mark is probably fully reintegrated.
That's pretty much all we got right?
T dizl televizl said:fav13andac1)c said:The Milkman said:
Guess I'm in the minority but that was by far my least favorite episode of the season. Not sure what the big answers and cliffhangers were that everyone is referring to? They're doing testing on Gemma and holding her hostage and now Mark is probably fully reintegrated.
That's pretty much all we got right?
If you want everything to be spoon fed to you all at once, this isn't the show for you. If you aren't okay with details and expanded context which add complexity to the overarching narrative and will almost always pay off later, again, not the show for you.
Milkman doesn't love the episode as much as everyone else and you just assume it's because they need to be spoon fed everything all at once? Pretty sure the show can be great for multiple people for different reasons. I don't even know what "details and expanded context which add complexity to the overarching narrative and will almost always pay off later" means but I can accept that different people have different reasons for liking a show without throwing out a blanket "this show isn't for you"
AJ02 said:
So it seems like whatever they're doing with Gemma, it requires Mark to be there for some sort of "connection", right? Milchick & Cobel both commented in the past on whether they thought Mark & Ms. Casey could feel anything. Implying they were purposely putting them together and studying them. But is it more than just testing whether the severance procedure can block emotional connections as well as memories? Does it also REQUIRE a connection to someone to sort of create or feed those various rooms that Gemma is visiting? We know one of the rooms is Cold Harbor. And Mark is currently working on Cold Harbor. And they complete it by finding groups of numbers that feel "scary". So is Gemma's fear somehow feeding Mark the "scary" numbers, or is Mark somehow feeding the fear from his end?
And if it requires some sort of connection between whomever is visiting the rooms further down, and a refiner in Macrodata...does that mean Dylan and Irving had someone down below as well? Because they were also finding "scary" numbers too.
I had this same thought last night, it's an event that would connect them really strongly emotionally and be a very personal thing that only he could do. Also one of the worst things a person really wanting to be a parent can experience if they are in fact testing how the severance barriers hold up in some way.AustinAg2K said:AJ02 said:
So it seems like whatever they're doing with Gemma, it requires Mark to be there for some sort of "connection", right? Milchick & Cobel both commented in the past on whether they thought Mark & Ms. Casey could feel anything. Implying they were purposely putting them together and studying them. But is it more than just testing whether the severance procedure can block emotional connections as well as memories? Does it also REQUIRE a connection to someone to sort of create or feed those various rooms that Gemma is visiting? We know one of the rooms is Cold Harbor. And Mark is currently working on Cold Harbor. And they complete it by finding groups of numbers that feel "scary". So is Gemma's fear somehow feeding Mark the "scary" numbers, or is Mark somehow feeding the fear from his end?
And if it requires some sort of connection between whomever is visiting the rooms further down, and a refiner in Macrodata...does that mean Dylan and Irving had someone down below as well? Because they were also finding "scary" numbers too.
I think Cold Harbor must be about the miscarriage. If it's the car wreck, Mark wouldn't really know anything about it ( plus, the car wreck is probably fake). However, the miscarriage would have affected both Gemma and Mark, and that's why they need Mark specifically.
Yes, and it clearly did showing him destroying the crib he had purchased out of sadness and depression while she listened to it from the other room.AustinAg2K said:AJ02 said:
So it seems like whatever they're doing with Gemma, it requires Mark to be there for some sort of "connection", right? Milchick & Cobel both commented in the past on whether they thought Mark & Ms. Casey could feel anything. Implying they were purposely putting them together and studying them. But is it more than just testing whether the severance procedure can block emotional connections as well as memories? Does it also REQUIRE a connection to someone to sort of create or feed those various rooms that Gemma is visiting? We know one of the rooms is Cold Harbor. And Mark is currently working on Cold Harbor. And they complete it by finding groups of numbers that feel "scary". So is Gemma's fear somehow feeding Mark the "scary" numbers, or is Mark somehow feeding the fear from his end?
And if it requires some sort of connection between whomever is visiting the rooms further down, and a refiner in Macrodata...does that mean Dylan and Irving had someone down below as well? Because they were also finding "scary" numbers too.
I think Cold Harbor must be about the miscarriage. If it's the car wreck, Mark wouldn't really know anything about it ( plus, the car wreck is probably fake). However, the miscarriage would have affected both Gemma and Mark, and that's why they need Mark specifically.
Other things we saw are more generic. Like the dentist. Lots of people hate going to the dentist, so any of them could probably refine that. However, Marc specifically would understand the loss of their child. That's why he, specifically, is needed.
But when she's leaving for the last time before her accident, she asks Mark if he wants to come and evens offers to stay home. If she knew that was the last time she'd see him it really didn't feel like it.The Kraken said:That was my interpretation while watching, that Gemma was in on it.TCTTS said:TCTTS said:Pahdz said:
So just scatter shooting some things here, in no order whatsoever...
- Helena now holds that sexual encounter with Mark as a potential card to throw back in living Gemma's face. She knew the whole time that Gemma was alive.
- y'all keep saying Gemma is being held prisoner. We don't know the circumstances of her disappearance. My wife was thinking she maybe voluntarily left. Some of the scenes last night make this plausible. Perhaps she left with a certain idea or intention in mind but it's gone out of control now.
- more on that...was Gemma leaving to kill herself because she thought Mark might be better off and Lumon intervened with the promise of something that could fix things?
- is MDR refining their own memories or someone else's?
- is the whole point of the show to prove the strength of human love? Is that what Lumon is trying to break?
Personally, I don't buy either of these things.
Gemma simply wasn't giving off any vibe/indication that she was leaving Mark, or that he'd better off without her. Yes, she had obviously been depressed, but not nearly to that level. Still, even if she did go voluntarily, and her Lumon stint has "gone out of control now," she's absolutely being held prisoner at this point. They're straight up not letting her leave, not letting her see Mark, and have privately alluded that they're going to kill her upon the completion of Cold Harbor.
After listening to today's episode of The Prestige Podcast, I'm going to adjust my position slightly, as hosts Jo and Rob seem utterly convinced that Gemma went willingly that night to Lumon, knew it'd be the last time she saw Mark (at least for a while), but her mistake was not knowing Lumon would essentially keep her prisoner (and then likely kill her). Personally, I still don't read it that way, but am at least open to the possibility.
Good call by her.Pahdz said:
I posted about it Thursday night, my wife noticed it
gemma representing persephone . why it’s always endless winter, why time seems to barely pass. gemma who loves plants & their home being filled with sunlight & flowers. how the snow will never thaw for mark bc gemma has been in the underworld the whole time pic.twitter.com/nitoWohQSB
— helly r’s gf (@hellyrism) March 1, 2025
TCTTS said:
EDIT: Actually, I'm deleting because something about this Reddit theory feels too real/accurate. I could be wrong, I'm afraid it could be from someone who's already seen all the screeners.
Mr President Elect said:
So, any ideas on why Ms Casey is so robotic and not like other innies or even her other innies?
aggietony2010 said:
Pretty sure Cold Harbor is the room where you just watch Aggie Sports fail on repeat.
aggietony2010 said:
Pretty sure Cold Harbor is the room where you just watch Aggie Sports fail on repeat.
