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Mr.Milkshake
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In reply to schmendeler • 1:22p, 3/23/25
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The elevator did ding. I went back and watched it.


Every single elevator scene has an extremely distinct ding when a severed character arrives. There is no such ding when Helena arrives on floor with Mark. Watched this several times to confirm.

One caveat, this may be irrelevant because going back to E2, the tell was the lack of the ding inside - when Helena arrives on the floor then, the elevator does ding in the lobby.
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In reply to Stat Monitor Repairman • 1:34p, 3/23/25
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Lower: That's Helly R. in the final episode.
Don't believe it.

Setting us up for a Vader is Luke's father moment in Season 3.
You don't believe the actress who plays both Helena and Helly, who receives direction from the director on which character she needs to portray in a scene, and who has access to the script?
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In reply to G Martin 87 • 1:45p, 3/23/25
No. I don't believe her.

As Milkshake points out above, something off about Jame coming to visit her on the severed floor 'I see Kier in you' interaction. They telling us without telling us.
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1:56p, 3/23/25
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6. At Lumon, men can get pregnant too; the future is now!


This image from the finale is intriguing.

Still no explanation for the 'do you have pouches?' comment from Irv.

Kier figurine looks like he just ate a whole family platter at Wings n More.
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3:15p, 3/23/25
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I think some people are so obsessed with catching every twist/trick that they don't actually take in what's happening on screen with the characters themselves.
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In reply to schmendeler • 3:36p, 3/23/25
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schmendeler said:
I think some people are so obsessed with catching every twist/trick that they don't actually take in what's happening on screen with the characters themselves.

Chronic LOST brain
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In reply to G Martin 87 • 5:12p, 3/23/25
G Martin 87 said:
Stat Monitor Repairman said:
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Lower: That's Helly R. in the final episode.
Don't believe it.

Setting us up for a Vader is Luke's father moment in Season 3.
You don't believe the actress who plays both Helena and Helly, who receives direction from the director on which character she needs to portray in a scene, and who has access to the script?


I didn't necessarily, because the script for next season probably hasn't been written. They could tell her she's Helly R, but then change their minds.
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In reply to Stat Monitor Repairman • 6:21p, 3/23/25
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No. I don't believe her.

As Milkshake points out above, something off about Jame coming to visit her on the severed floor 'I see Kier in you' interaction. They telling us without telling us.


Did Jame not say "You tricked me Helly."?
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In reply to The Sun • 7:14p, 3/23/25
Rewatched that scene and don't see where he said that.

But did notice with the CC on that she says "God, you are ****ing weird" and not "Dad you are ****ing weird."

Have also noticed that when they show Helena her hair has a dark tint to it. In Helly R scenes hair has red tint to it. May not be the case but something I've noticed since the outdoor **** tent scene and in the Chinese restaurant.
We talking Garth Knight's goatee level analysis here but curious if anyone notices this.

So we'll see in 2026.

In any event, don't see how a severed Helly R would react to Jame like that in the first place. So she's either not severed or somehow partly unsevered/reintegrated like Mark S.
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7:28p, 3/23/25
This show often overtly states what is going on. Helly/Helena literally tells Mark that she is her. Ya, but…
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7:37p, 3/23/25
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A wise man once said, "trust no ***** "
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8:39p, 3/23/25
Another note that is unresolved from this season - how Irv outtie knew of or remembered the exit hall.
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In reply to Mr.Milkshake • 9:21p, 3/23/25
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I agree. There's a lot more about Irving that we still need to know. I thought maybe he was working with Cobel on the outside but Cobel was shocked when Marki told her that Irving was drawing the elevator to the testing floor
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In reply to nathanhenn • 9:34p, 3/23/25
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nathanhenn said:
I agree. There's a lot more about Irving that we still need to know. I thought maybe he was working with Cobel on the outside but Cobel was shocked when Marki told her that Irving was drawing the elevator to the testing floor
They still could be, maybe? I mean, she was shocked about Innie Irving drawing the elevator, and that doesn't necessarily preclude her from having worked with Outie Irving. Could be more shock that things were breaking through the barrier than anything.

I could see a lot of reasons that Cobel was pumping Outie Irving for information, so it's still an interesting theory.
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10:06p, 3/23/25
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Wonder how long before S3 gets here.

I hope goodly splendor awaits us.
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In reply to YouBet • 10:31p, 3/23/25
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YouBet said:
Wonder how long before S3 gets here.

I hope goodly splendor awaits us.
q4 2026 is my guess. They said it takes 7 months to film a season and a couple to edit.
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In reply to DG-Ag • 7:08a, 3/24/25
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DG-Ag said:

So, maybe next season we have the reverse situation - Gemma and outie Mark trying to get innie Mark out and take Lumon down?

just catching up with discussion.

season 3 is going to have to be some sort of Innie Mark S trying to stay at work. He wont go home. Or they wont let him go home.

because if he did and Gemma was at home waiting for him he simply just wouldnt go back to work.
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In reply to Aggie09Derek • 7:09a, 3/24/25
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Aggie09Derek said:
What if they don't let Innie Mark out at all….if so, there is no outie Mark
I mean Devon knows he is at work. They cant just kidnap him. the law would get involved.

Now I could see Innie Mark refusing to leave work out of fear that he may never return. This would create quite the interesting case for the law! I doubt the show would go that direction but can you imagine?? could the cops really make him leave work?
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In reply to TCTTS • 7:26a, 3/24/25
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TCTTS said:
Personally, I still think it's Helly, but I'm also leaving the door slightly cracked for it to be Helena.
this whole "is it Helly or Helena" is probably my biggest gripe of the show right now.

Its dumb. It was cool for the ORTBO deal but I am super over it always being some thing we have to wonder about.

and it could be fabricated by fans.

but there is no good reason that should have been Helena at the end.
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7:39a, 3/24/25
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The juxtaposition of this show going to the extremes it has of satirizing and lambasting corporate life only to have its characters now not want to leave the very place they hate and that literally imprisons them because it's the only identity they know or have.

And, yet, within the confines of their prison they still think they are somehow bucking the system with their futile Butch and Sundance run at the end.

Where do iMark and Helly think they are going? There is nowhere to go. If they leave the building, they die. They will end right back up at MDR.
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In reply to YouBet • 7:55a, 3/24/25
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YouBet said:
The juxtaposition of this show going to the extremes it has of satirizing and lambasting corporate life only to have its characters now not want to leave the very place they hate and that literally imprisons them because it's the only identity they know or have.

And, yet, within the confines of their prison they still think they are somehow bucking the system with their futile Butch and Sundance run at the end.

Where do iMark and Helly think they are going? There is nowhere to go. If they leave the building, they die. They will end right back up at MDR.
Clearly they are going to that room to bang again.
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In reply to YouBet • 7:56a, 3/24/25
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The other aspect of the show is that the innie is actually the more real version of a person, somehow more "you", unaffected by all the trials and weight and baggage of the world. The "you you are."

We see this with at least 4 characters in Mark, Helly, Dylan, and Burt.

I wonder if part of season 3 is working with Cobel to find a way to make the innies permanent via the overtime contingency.
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In reply to gigemJTH12 • 8:28a, 3/24/25
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Aggie09Derek said:
What if they don't let Innie Mark out at all….if so, there is no outie Mark
I mean Devon knows he is at work. They cant just kidnap him. the law would get involved.


They can't? Lumon did fake the death of a young wife and kidnap her and torture her for multiple years.
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In reply to AustinAg2K • 8:44a, 3/24/25
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AustinAg2K said:
gigemJTH12 said:
Aggie09Derek said:
What if they don't let Innie Mark out at all….if so, there is no outie Mark
I mean Devon knows he is at work. They cant just kidnap him. the law would get involved.


They can't? Lumon did fake the death of a young wife and kidnap her and torture her for multiple years.
well they would have to kidnap Devon and presumably Cobel at this point too.
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In reply to RED AG 98 • 8:49a, 3/24/25
RED AG 98 said:
The other aspect of the show is that the innie is actually the more real version of a person, somehow more "you", unaffected by all the trials and weight and baggage of the world. The "you you are.".


This is an interesting angle and one that makes sense. You have innie Irving who is almost militant in his allegiance to Lumon. Then you have that scene where he's going through the box with the naval stuff.

Was his dream to be in the navy and did something happen, so he treats his severed Lumon job like his military?
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In reply to YouBet • 9:19a, 3/24/25
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Ironically I think you could almost say the same about Mark and Gemma had he gone with her off the severed floor. Where are they going? Lumon is most certainly not letting them go home to live out a peaceful existence and threaten the company. Either relationship is doomed at this point.

I wonder how/if they're going to get all these folks out of this pickle. Their innies and outies are in way too deep; they can't just walk away or live things out in peace.
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In reply to Pahdz • 9:23a, 3/24/25
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Pahdz said:
RED AG 98 said:
The other aspect of the show is that the innie is actually the more real version of a person, somehow more "you", unaffected by all the trials and weight and baggage of the world. The "you you are.".


This is an interesting angle and one that makes sense. You have innie Irving who is almost militant in his allegiance to Lumon. Then you have that scene where he's going through the box with the naval stuff.

Was his dream to be in the navy and did something happen, so he treats his severed Lumon job like his military?
The footlocker had a picture labeled "Dad" on top of the uniform and medals case. The false bottom under that concealed all of outie Irv's research.
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9:23a, 3/24/25
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It was Helly at the end. She does have "Kier in you" and she was making a move to keep Mark. That's what the look on her face was back at Gemma. It wasn't because Helena pulled a fast one. It was because Helly herself has a dark side to her. She was willing to go along with the plan to a certain extent, but she knew she had an angle to keep him in the end.
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In reply to G Martin 87 • 9:26a, 3/24/25
That's right. Could still be something about him wanting to follow his dad's footsteps. He's very regimented like a military man.
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In reply to BenTheGoodAg • 9:30a, 3/24/25
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My guess on this is the same: the trauma and dread of the testing floor is breaking through the severance barrier, and this is a surprise to Cobel. However, in Gemma/Ms. Casey's case, it is Gemma who is experiencing the dorm room and hallways of the testing floor. Why wouldn't outie Irv have memories of the testing hallways too? Would resetting Irv's chip affect both innie and outie memories?
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9:41a, 3/24/25
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We know Irving was calling someone while he was on the outside, relaying info. Could it be something more simple? That Irving has seen the hallway before in some sort of attempt at rescue or espionage? He was obviously painting it over and over again, then depriving himself of sleep, in an attempt to get the image to "bleed over" into his innie's subconscious. Much the same way Mark was trying to sear a reverse imagine to his retina to communicate with his innie.
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In reply to G Martin 87 • 9:45a, 3/24/25
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The bigger question might be why does innie Irv have a memory of the testing hallway with someone being sent down. Wouldn't he have to have been a manager to see that?

If he had some kind of prior history at Lumon that might explain why they were tracking him so closely.
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In reply to AustinAg2K • 10:01a, 3/24/25
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AustinAg2K said:
gigemJTH12 said:
Aggie09Derek said:
What if they don't let Innie Mark out at all….if so, there is no outie Mark
I mean Devon knows he is at work. They cant just kidnap him. the law would get involved.


They can't? Lumon did fake the death of a young wife and kidnap her and torture her for multiple years.
I'm assuming they get into the how and why of that whole situation in season 3. Particularly the why - why did they choose Gemma, in particular?
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In reply to gigemJTH12 • 10:19a, 3/24/25
gigemJTH12 said:
Aggie09Derek said:
What if they don't let Innie Mark out at all….if so, there is no outie Mark
I mean Devon knows he is at work. They cant just kidnap him. the law would get involved.

Now I could see Innie Mark refusing to leave work out of fear that he may never return. This would create quite the interesting case for the law! I doubt the show would go that direction but can you imagine?? could they really make him leave work?
Fire him and then have the cops come drag him out for trespass.

Now would they want to do that? I don't know, but yes, they could make him leave.
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In reply to AggieOO • 10:24a, 3/24/25
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AggieOO said:
gigemJTH12 said:
Aggie09Derek said:
What if they don't let Innie Mark out at all….if so, there is no outie Mark
I mean Devon knows he is at work. They cant just kidnap him. the law would get involved.

Now I could see Innie Mark refusing to leave work out of fear that he may never return. This would create quite the interesting case for the law! I doubt the show would go that direction but can you imagine?? could they really make him leave work?
Fire him and then have the cops come drag him out for trespass.

Now would they want to do that? I don't know, but yes, they could make him leave.
I am talking about could the cops make him leave work
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