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*** THOR: LOVE AND THUNDER *** (Spoiler Thread)

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Seeing as the first public showings will be letting out any minute now (if they haven't already), I figured I'd get this thread up and running.

I don't have tickets 'til Saturday night, so I'll see you guys then...
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TigerDroppings has numerous people that are out and commenting. Some good, some meh.
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Saw it with the fam this afternoon. Enjoyed it, love gotg so that was fun at the beginning.
Christian Bale was good, his arc wasn't spectacular but it gave the other pieces reasons to be doing things.
Wish I could have listened in on the call to Matt Damon et al recruiting them to reprise their roles.
Good to have Jane storyline resolved.
Enjoyed Crowe, LOL when Brett Goldstein showed up. He's here he's there he's every effing where Hercules!

Nothing groundbreaking about it, and no idea how or if it ties into the rest of the MCU phase other than getting thor back on his own away from gotg but we enjoyed it!
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2nd half of the movie was epic. Really everything after the god city was as well done as anything in the MCU. The first half is a bit thin, but it is still fun. The 2nd half though, delivers a really solid story.

Honestly thought this was the best looking Marvel film I've seen in some time. The shadow realm scenes were fantastic.
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That was great. I'd put it behind Ragnarok, but still so much fun. OG characters are just better than the new phase 4 ones.

Music was epically good. Maybe tried a smidgen too hard in parts to be funny, but overall really fun. Bale was a really good creepy villain but still you could feel for him.

Also Phase 4 needs to figure out what it's going to do with all these end credit cameos. The OG phases typically led to the next film. Phase 4 is just dropping new cameos and never looking back
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Did they ever reveal that Natalie Portman (Jane I think) was coming back for this movie? From the previews, I thought it was another girl.
The scene where Thor gets naked was hilarious.
Overall great film. Music was awesome. And yeah, still behind Ragnorak but I have Ragnorak up there close to the top for Marvel movies.
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Christian Bale is amazing as Gorr. He's just an incredible actor. Only Thanos was a better villain.
It's hilarious. It's not an amazing story like Infinity War or one of the other top Marvel movies but hell of a popcorn flick and a good time.

Story: C+
Comedy A
Empathy A+

We really enjoyed it. I loved all the ex gf humor between him and his hammer/storm breaker. Zeus was awesome. It's just a terrific pop corn flick.
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I miss the previous phases of post credit scenes that would drop a big nugget for other films or foreshadowing. Hercules vs Thor just doesn't do it for me
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And in case you didn't guess based on her accent at the end, Gorr's daughter is played by Hemsworth's actual daughter
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wangus12 said:

And in case you didn't guess based on her accent at the end, Gorr's daughter is played by Hemsworth's actual daughter
didn't know this. does she play a bigger part in the series now?
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Great movie!! Saw it in Imax tonight. We've just become spoiled by the last 10 plus years of Marvel moviemaking and story intertwining. I just keep leaving the movies going "dangit, I thought stuff would start all tying together by now!". Very interested in the direction they are headed and I think deep down I'm satisfied by the fact I have zero clue where that might be! But it was a visually stunning movie and original plot. They are 100% taking their time with the story building just as they did from day 1 with Iron Man. Heck what was it? 8/9 movies before we had Avengers? Kudos to Marvel for not just rushing to another collaboration "Avengers" like movie that would make 100 billion dollars or what not. Meanwhile DC is putting out previews for what looks to be an abysmal Black Adam movie. And that's from someone who loves Rock movies!
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The first 70 minutes of this movie tried way too hard to be funny in every moment and ended up being somewhere between "Batman 66" and "Batman and Robin" in terms of campiness, right up until the last 25 minutes when I thought it actually turned into a very good story. The movie shined when it took itself more seriously. I'm not talking about Thor being played as a campy character, because I think that actually works. To me though it only works well when there's a more serious undertone to the film. The comedy also tends to fall flat when there isn't really a "straightman" character. Apart from Gorr, Thor was never around a serious character for any length of time.

IMO Gorr is such a great no-nonsense villain and he wasn't interspersed in the film enough to properly juxtapose Thor's campy aloofness. The interplay there had a ton of potential.

As an aside, the opening scene with Gorr and whatever god he killed was one of the more cringey sequences of bad acting you'll ever see in a Marvel film. It also made no sense from a story perspective. This dumbass
god and his goofy friends from the local cable access Sesame Street knockoff killed the guy who wielded the necro sword? Without destroying the sword? Really?

t seems like they altered the original story and cut some things out. The part where Thor left the guardians was very jarring. It seems like they pieced together three different conversations to try to make it work. Thor was in the ship, then was out of the ship going his separate way without a real conversation about him deciding to go a separate way. It's like that conversation took place off camera and they were already saying their goodbyes. It was just weird.

Anyone else think perhaps they are setting up Lady Siff (a good surprise by the way) to get a Wakanda arm? I guess she's going to be the female Bucky.
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I agree a lot with the above post about the weak first half. The humor was forced and more often than not, fell flat. the second half was an improvement, but there were still things I didn't like. For one, it turned into another super villain and an endless army of monsters/robots/aliens, etc plot that's been done to death in the MCU. Also, the kid army was dumb and a deus ex machina. If Thor always had that ability, why didn't he use it before? All the Avengers with Thor powers sure would have been useful in the past. I would put this ahead of Thor 2, but I think I put it behind the first Thor. It's not bad, but somewhat forgettable.
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I don't understand how you put in the god butcher and only have him kill one person on screen during the entire movie.

The kids fighting at the end was so weird.

i enjoyed the black and white sequence and a few other things. Another disappointing phase 4 project for me.
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We are big Thor fans and love Ragnarok, one of the best movies and watch all the time. This was meh and just didn't work for us. There are some funny and good parts but overall it just didn't move the needle or move anything forward on our end.
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I do think the beginning was very messy. Forceful on the Taika humor and all over the place. Once it settled in, we loved it.

I said it earlier, but the music to go with the fight scenes makes it for me
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Agreed on the overload of taika humor. Seemed like he was just playing with this movie… I need to let it sink in before I make a final read but my first thoughts are kinda meh. Funny, at times, but meh.

I do wish it had more guardians and Thor work together. That moment in end game was magic and there was a smidge of it here but not enough…. Not like the whole movie enough but just a bit more.
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Agreed that the first half felt like Taika was under too much pressure to re-create Ragnarok and just overloaded it with goofy humor that didn't land well. The second half of the move was much better.

The tone of the movie was weird. It was like two different movies combined. Gorr was really creepy and dark, which was weird with the overall goofy and silly side of the rest of the movie.

Also, did Guns N Roses sponsor this movie? Welcome to the Jungle, Paradise City, November Rain and Sweet Child of Mine x2. They made an Axle Rose reference, and some kids in Asgard were wearing Guns N Roses shirts. Just kinda random

Christian Bale nailed it though, but agreed we should have seen him kill more of the gods. It was enjoyable and worth seeing but not one I would rush back to see again any time soon

And it was basically a Hemsworth family reunion. They packed in his wife, son, both daughters and brother lol
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I got Voldemort vibes from Gorr during the Shadow Realm fight, I enjoyed it
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Saw it today…

My initial thoughts, I LOVED anything with Bale in it. I really wish he was in the movie more, I wish we saw the necro stuff taking over his body more and showing more black stuff coming out of him. Just loved everything he was in. Wish he wasn't killed off, he was a really cool villain.

Overall I enjoyed the movie, but what I didn't like is that even when they try to be serious, it always feels like it's leading to a joke… or they quickly have to make a joke. It takes away from the seriousness of the cancer scenario.

I feel like the character of Thor has turned into a big dumb jock. I don't mind it, just seems like he is more of a comic relief now. I could have done without all the GOTG stuff, that didn't do anything for me.

Would have loved to see a montage of Thor getting I. Shape, what we saw felt like a very quick narration. And would have loved to see a montage or Gorr killing gods.

Pacing felt good, movie started, and was over in like a snap!

I'm not sure how I feel about Thor with a kid, but thought it was a cool way to tie in the name of the movie.

Post credit 1- Zeus seemed pissed! But how the heck is he still alive… he'll how are so many people alive that got sliced or stabbed with something. Hercules looked cool, wonder how that will pan out.

Post credit 2- cool to see Valhalla. Was kinda an irrelevant scene, but was nice to see Heimdall.

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I got that vibe too. Take his nose off and boom
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Was that George R R Martin they kept cutting to in the front row of the New Asgaard play?
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kerrag06 said:

Great movie!! Saw it in Imax tonight. We've just become spoiled by the last 10 plus years of Marvel moviemaking and story intertwining. I just keep leaving the movies going "dangit, I thought stuff would start all tying together by now!". Very interested in the direction they are headed and I think deep down I'm satisfied by the fact I have zero clue where that might be! But it was a visually stunning movie and original plot. They are 100% taking their time with the story building just as they did from day 1 with Iron Man. Heck what was it? 8/9 movies before we had Avengers? Kudos to Marvel for not just rushing to another collaboration "Avengers" like movie that would make 100 billion dollars or what not. Meanwhile DC is putting out previews for what looks to be an abysmal Black Adam movie. And that's from someone who loves Rock movies!


See, this is where everybody is remembering wrong. The first Avengers was only movie #6 in the MCU release order. And from the very first movie, Iron Man, the post credits scene hinted at something bigger, i.e. The Avengers forming.

So, yeah, they're not following the same "script" as Phase 1 with their world building. They're sloooow rolling it, more interested in getting people to tune into their Disney+ shows than the film world building.
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And I agree with some of the criticism. I liked the movie because I like Waititi and his sense of humor, and I really like Hemsworth and the Thor character. But it was too much humor, especially in the begining. Like every single line was a gag. That slowed up a bit when they got to the 2nd act, but still, they needed more seriousness to balance out the humor.

And just like I was afraid of, they didn't utilize Gorr or Bale nearly enough or even properly. Gorr should have been way more menacing than he was. They should have introduced him and his plight like the comics did. They should have shown him killing more gods, given him more scenes to delve into his pain and motivation, and they should have had way more intersctions with him and Thor.

There was no serious consequences from the villian. Two of the main characters suffered mortal wounds!....wait, no they didn't, just kidding. They're still hanging around, cracking jokes.

I'm probably complaining too much. I did have a good time, had some good laughs (I think the play with Damon, Neil, Hemsworth brother, and McCarthy was the funniest part), and there was some touching parts in there with Thor and Jane. I'm glad we were able to circle back around to Thor and Jane in the MCU since that's such a big part of the comics. It was a good resolution to that relationship.

Hemsworth still rocks and I'm glad we still have at least one of the original Avengers group. That group just has so much more chemistry and charisma than these new guys.
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FL_Ag1998 said:

kerrag06 said:

Great movie!! Saw it in Imax tonight. We've just become spoiled by the last 10 plus years of Marvel moviemaking and story intertwining. I just keep leaving the movies going "dangit, I thought stuff would start all tying together by now!". Very interested in the direction they are headed and I think deep down I'm satisfied by the fact I have zero clue where that might be! But it was a visually stunning movie and original plot. They are 100% taking their time with the story building just as they did from day 1 with Iron Man. Heck what was it? 8/9 movies before we had Avengers? Kudos to Marvel for not just rushing to another collaboration "Avengers" like movie that would make 100 billion dollars or what not. Meanwhile DC is putting out previews for what looks to be an abysmal Black Adam movie. And that's from someone who loves Rock movies!


See, this is where everybody is remembering wrong. The first Avengers was only movie #6 in the MCU release order. And from the very first movie, Iron Man, the post credits scene hinted at something bigger, i.e. The Avengers forming.

So, yeah, they're not following the same "script" as Phase 1 with their world building. They're sloooow rolling it, more interested in getting people to tune into their Disney+ shows than the film world building.
I'm starting to really wonder when they're going to star tying things together. So far, the only things that have tied together are No Way Home with Multiverse of Madness, and WandaVision with MoM. I guess you could say that Loki and What If have tied into this idea of a Multiverse as well, but we have yet to see that payoff. But up to this point we have 4 movies and 4 shows with no ties to any others.
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wangus12 said:

And in case you didn't guess based on her accent at the end, Gorr's daughter is played by Hemsworth's actual daughter


It briefly occurred to me that might be the case, but they've always been really private about their kids (no posting faces on social media, etc) that I figured they wouldn't put her in the movie. I love it though, the ending scene was very cute.

I thought it was such a fun movie. Mostly lighthearted, though Gorr's backstory definitely tugged my heartstrings. The scene in the Gods city was visually stunning and just great entertainment. I did not mind seeing Hemsworth's naked butt and torso and Zeus was hilarious.
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I thought it was a pretty good movie. Didn't quite capture the magic of Ragnarok, didn't land as many jokes (ugh, the goats), and was slow at times, but the villain was great and I liked the notes it ended on.

Also.

Thanks and gig'em
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I'm still working on deciding how I feel.

will type more tomorrow.

I was entertained the whole time, but there were so many times I thought lol this is so dumb.


I laughed out loud literally every time there was a goat. it was so stupid and so fun.
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I think people should stop waiting for them to tie everything together for now. They seem content to do loose team ups as opposed to big endgame type fights. I actually don't mind that honestly.
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Okay, so my biggest nitpick is that I don't believe Gorr would actually go make a wish from Eternity to kill all of the gods.

and I wish they kinda did more background with him learning stuff. Cause like, he goes from believing in one god and getting the sword to all the sudden understanding travel and dimensional stuff and where/who all the gods are etc.

But him going to Eternity to ask for a boon feels hypocritical. From his perspective, isn't Eternity just another god who will probably deny him his reward anyway? Doesn't seem like Gorr would trust him from what we learn in just the movie.
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Does anyone else wish movies would stop casting Natalie? I'm consistently amazed that she's built the career she has with community college theater level acting.
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I was expecting eternity to be another empty promise, another false god who doesn't care for its believers.
Thanks and gig'em
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Aggie_Journalist said:

I was expecting eternity to be another empty promise, another false god who doesn't care for its believers.
Exactly. And even if I didn't believe that, I certainly think Gorr's character would be far too skeptical of this.
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It's too bad someone couldn't have gone to Eternity to undo the Snap
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Very mediocre marvel movie IMO. Tried to cram in way too many jokes. Bale was the best thing in the movie. They could have used more of him and less schtick. The Jane cancer plot was weak. Probably my biggest gripe of this one and the first two Thor films is that Hemsworth and Portman have zero chemistry together. They are both good looking people who don't really seem to be into the other. Hemsworth has more romantic chemistry with Pratt than Portman.

But hey, Roy Kent.
 
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