On one hand, I appreciate the effort and chuckled at some of the meta-ness/self-deprecating humor on the part of Marvel.

That said, I don't at all understand how that was supposed to serve as a satisfying ending to nine episodes of TV. After the K.E.V.I.N. thing, I kept thinking they were going to go back and redo the climax in some way, but instead, when they cut back to the lodge, it was just... over. Todd was being arrested, as was Emil, and that was that.

I don't understand the point. Did I miss something? Why did that episode even need to exist? Especially when there wasn't even a bow of any sort on her character arc.

Also, on top of all of that, since when is destroying a big screen TV at an awards ceremony considered a maximum-security-level offense? Even for a Hulk? Especially when it was 100% justified, seeing as she was brutally and illegally targeted online, and was hardly in the wrong save for some minor property damage?

I'm so confused by what I just watched.

I do agree that after the talk with KEVIN everything was a little too tidy.

As to your last question, I must assume there is a zero tolerance policy on hulk level destruction. They probably don't have a holding cell to put someone like her while she waits for arraignment.

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On one hand, I appreciate the effort and chuckled at some of the meta-ness/self-deprecating humor on the part of Marvel.

That said, I don't at all understand how that was supposed to serve as a satisfying ending to nine episodes of TV. After the K.E.V.I.N. thing, I kept thinking they were going to go back and redo the climax in some way, but instead, when they cut back to the lodge, it was just... over. Todd was being arrested, as was Emil, and that was that.

I don't understand the point. Did I miss something? Why did that episode even need to exist? Especially when there wasn't even a bow of any sort on her character arc.

Also, on top of all of that, since when is destroying a big screen TV at an awards ceremony considered a maximum-security-level offense? Even for a Hulk? Especially when it was 100% justified, seeing as she was brutally and illegally targeted online, and was hardly in the wrong save for some minor property damage?

I'm so confused by what I just watched.

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some review popped into my feed this morning that I briefly glanced it.

It was a relatively "woke" review, but I actually think it was kind of close to the mark as to what they were trying to achieve.

They put forth that for most of the series Jennifer was a player in the story, in spite of her being the protagonist and in spite of her powers. She was subject to the constraints put on her - by work, but life, by society, by the writers of the TV show, by Marvel.

Her LITERALLY breaking the 4th wall Blazing Saddles style to go into the "real world" was her asserting control over herself, her character, her destiny in spite of the constraints of KEVIN, Marvel, Disney etc. and she could now be her own true self.

I kind of agree that is what they were trying for. But they did not nail it if we are guessing it.

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I guess that makes sense, it just didn't feel organic at all. Especially when her story and her character came to an incredibly satisfying close last week, just before she hulked out on stage at the end.

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They should have ended the season on the high of last week, with the Daredevil of it all. Someone finally likes Jennifer for Jennifer, they have incredible chemistry, but in bittersweet fashion he has to go back to New York, while she accepts her award, her arc now "complete" on both a personal and professional level. Then tease the whole Intelligencia thing for next season, with a stinger at the end, and different person behind it all.

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Also, "Intelligentsia" (with a "t") is a super popular hipster coffee shop chain in LA, and someone like Todd would never name his group that for that reason alone. I know it's a Marvel canon thing, but that really bugged me, haha.

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Also, "Intelligentsia" (with a "t") is a super popular hipster coffee shop chain in LA,

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From Chicago, with locations in CHI, LA, NY, BOS, AUS

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Even worse for him to name it that then.

Feels kind of like a waste then. Why not just have the Todd group be something else entirely?

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They should have ended the season on the high of last week, with the Daredevil of it all. Someone finally likes Jennifer for Jennifer, they have incredible chemistry, but in bittersweet fashion he has to go back to New York, while she accepts her award, her arc now "complete" on both a personal and professional level. Then tease the whole Intelligencia thing for next season, with a stinger at the end, and different person behind it all.

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Is it for sure getting another season?
I think the show was fun, it was never excellent or bad. There is a place for that.
I usually had a couple genuine laughs each episode.

And even though it hasn't been officially announced….does this ending confirm WORLD WAR HULK!?

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Feels kind of like a waste then. Why not just have the Todd group be something else entirely?

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Probably for the exact reason of twisting the Internet into a knot about who they are, what the implications of this are, how this fits into the greater scheme of things. it was a part of the giant universe they had no actual plans for so they used it as a parody.

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I kept thinking they were going to go back and redo the climax in some way, but instead, when they cut back to the lodge, it was just... over.

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This is also my biggest WTF of this season. I get that the 4th wall break and K.E.V.I.N. thing was probably a core scene they wanted to do, but it just didn't fit at all into this show and felt very fanservice-y.

Such an odd finale for what was otherwise a pretty good show.

I was entertained by it at the time, but I don't think I particularly liked it after sitting on it for a while.

I guess I just don't like the breaking the fourth wall so she can rewrite her story, why not throw in the Rock so she can mess around with him too if she's just going to make stuff up. Takes me out of it and reminds me it's just Disney pumping out stories to make more cash. Also reminds me in episode they're all just actors so why should I care about her and her fake family.

Breaking the fourth wall like Deadpool does works because we are in his story and he's just narrating parts of it for us... but we're still in that world.

I prefer suspending my disbelief and living in their world during the episodes.

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I feel like that episode would have been better served as a set up for a finale. Do the KEVIN thing, then end with her going back to reality. Finale would be her finishing the story off the way her and KEVIN discussed with a non-formulaic ending.

Now that it is explained what they were going to for, it makes sense. However, the fact that they had to explain it is a huge problem.

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Agreed. Any reason to give us more episodes is a good thing.

i liked the season overall, but yeah, the finale missed the mark for me.

i feel like that sentence could be used to describe most of the disney plus fare.

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Yeah, I'm starting to see this explanation more and more, but I just don't agree...

SHE-HULK revealed itself to be a story about a woman struggling to tell her own story, her own way, in a culture, a workplace, a franchise and a genre that kept trying to dictate her path for her. The ending rather brilliantly brought that to a satisfying conclusion. https://t.co/DLTvLIABR4

— Bibbs: The Hands of Fate (@WilliamBibbiani) October 14, 2022

Mainly because she didn't really DO anything tangible. The only choice she made and action she took was to address at the camera, climb through the Disney+ menu, and then talk to a waaaaay-too-easy-to-convince robot about making some ultimately minor changes to the finale. Which is so incredibly random, and completely outside the world of her character, to the point where it basically feels like "cheating." Decent idea, but one that should have been quickly swept aside for something better in that writers room we saw.

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I mean you say she didn't do anything then go on to explain what she did?

You conveniently left out the word "tangible." Breaking the fourth wall isn't doing something tangible, within her own story. It's magic nothingness that didn't affect her in-universe story/arc in any real way.