tysker said:

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If the entire show was satire who was the target of the satire? The characters, the MCU, the tropes? Probably just semantics but the (un)intended effect of satire is to soften, demystify, or even delegitimize the target. If it was satire, then those same characters and tropes and maybe even the the MCU can no longer be taken seriously, can it? The other issue is that during the finale, the main character breaks the fourth wall and looks at the audience and tells us that the scenario and the fight scene are dumb, which is totally inline with the character and tone of the show. But then, for all those viewers that would have preferred a smash 'em up fight scene instead, its easily construed that the audience was the target of the satire, and maybe our taste as the audience is delegitimate in the view of the writers and the MCU. I think show was more parody than satire and will remain nave that the writers outsmarted themselves and accidently wrote themselves into a Kaufman-esque meditation on the inevitability that their work is generally written for the general public which includes lots of dumb people.

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I don't think they, nor should any of us, take it that seriously. Sheesh.

dave94 said:

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tysker said:

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If the entire show was satire who was the target of the satire? The characters, the MCU, the tropes? Probably just semantics but the (un)intended effect of satire is to soften, demystify, or even delegitimize the target. If it was satire, then those same characters and tropes and maybe even the the MCU can no longer be taken seriously, can it? The other issue is that during the finale, the main character breaks the fourth wall and looks at the audience and tells us that the scenario and the fight scene are dumb, which is totally inline with the character and tone of the show. But then, for all those viewers that would have preferred a smash 'em up fight scene instead, its easily construed that the audience was the target of the satire, and maybe our taste as the audience is delegitimate in the view of the writers and the MCU. I think show was more parody than satire and will remain nave that the writers outsmarted themselves and accidently wrote themselves into a Kaufman-esque meditation on the inevitability that their work is generally written for the general public which includes lots of dumb people.

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I don't think they, nor should any of us, take it that seriously. Sheesh.

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Arent we past dismissing posters emotional responses as being too sensitive?
But seriously, I mean this board along with millions of other Marvel fans spend how many hours of their days watching trailer breakdowns, shot-by-shot reviews, trying to learn of all the details of Phase 4 and 5, and even analyzing scripts to ascertain how the X-Men can be included? We're all fanboys in our own weird little way, and that's why its cool.

True, and I think we all can enjoy a joke at our expense.

The joke could just as much be aimed at the MCU studios. That punching things harder is the only ending they offer to the audience.

finally watched episodes 8 & 9 tonight...they were a mess.

the whole series felt like filler material for Marvel / Disney+

a lot of pointless episodes & characters and tired tropes.

definitely the worst of the streaming series so far.

F&WS is no longer at the bottom:

1. WandaVision
2. Hawkeye
3. Ms. Marvel
4. Moon Knight
5. Loki
6. F&WS
7. She-Hulk

Need to change your handle to L for that list.

W said:

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finally watched episodes 8 & 9 tonight...they were a mess.

the whole series felt like filler material for Marvel / Disney+

a lot of pointless episodes & characters and tired tropes.

definitely the worst of the streaming series so far.

F&WS is no longer at the bottom:

1. WandaVision
2. Hawkeye
3. Ms. Marvel
4. Moon Knight
5. Loki
6. F&WS
7. She-Hulk

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I feel like this is a price is right game and the contestant doesn't know how much anything costs.

Top tier:
Hawkeye (other two might be better, but I enjoyed this one the most)
Loki
WandaVision

Still good, but less so than top tier:
She-Hulk
Ms.Marvel

Poorly-executed/didn't land with me:
moonknight
Falcon/WS

I give Hawkeye a higher ranking because it was the most tonally consistent of the shows and Haleigh Steinfeld and Florence Pugh.

She does some … stuff.

Pretty much the gist of the story. Further away I get from this the more I dislike that it is in any way connected to the MCU and worst of all this is how we get daredevil again.

Are you people that dislike She Hulk in your sixties or something?

DubFalls said:

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Are you people that dislike She Hulk in your sixties or something?

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Probably

I think it's obvious that when she or Daredevil appear in other shows or movies, it won't be all fourth-wall-breaking comedic stuff.

This show was such an awesome break away from the normal tired and true Marvel blueprint. I loved it!

DubFalls said:

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Are you people that dislike She Hulk in your sixties or something?

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I'm in my sixties and I like it!

Finally watched the first episode yesterday. I've kinda had Marvel fatigue, but glad I started this series - it seems good so far!

An L of an Ag said:

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Finally watched the first episode yesterday. I've kinda had Marvel fatigue, but glad I started this series - it seems good so far!

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We enjoyed it. It's funny and different.