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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 12:06a, 4/21/25
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Joel was trying to save Ellie's life, and only killed who he needed to in order to achieve that objective. In that regard, I can at least understand his thinking/mercy (even if I don't agree with it).

What I can't understand is a group of former Fireflies, who likely know how important Ellie is, and what she can do for humanity, just leaving her like that.

I shouldn't have asked why they let her live, rather why didn't they drug Ellie and take her with them to Seattle or wherever?
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In reply to YNWA_AG • 12:07a, 4/21/25
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See my answer above.
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12:14a, 4/21/25
Side by side game and show
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12:24a, 4/21/25
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The song at the end was sung by Ashley Johnson (the original Ellie in the game )

I remember hearing that for the first time five years ago and started crying again hearing it
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In reply to TCTTS • 3:56a, 4/21/25
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TCTTS said:
In his mind, Joel was trying to save Ellie's life, and only killed who needed to in order to achieve that objective. In that regard, I can at least understand his thinking/mercy.

What I can't understand is a group of former Fireflies, who likely know how important Ellie is, and what she can do for humanity, just leaving her like that.

I shouldn't have asked why they let her live, rather why didn't they drug Ellie and take her with them to Seattle or wherever?


How much time in the show has passed since last season? Either way, it seems they are all a bit over the whole firefly/ save humanity thing for now. Especially Abby, who seems to be calling the shots for them.
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In reply to Mr President Elect • 4:34a, 4/21/25
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Five years have passed.

That said, I just can't see how a cure wouldn't be a top priority for most people. You can either spend your remaining years living in constant fear/survival mode - or - drug one injured girl, take her to Seattle (or wherever doctors might be), then with a cure eventually get some semblance of society back and live relatively comfortably again (or least not in fear-for-your-life survival mode) for decades.

Who besides Joel doesn't make that choice?
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5:13a, 4/21/25
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That one had a little Hardhome feeling. I thought Jackson was toast.

I agree that you would think they would have taken Ellie but of course they didn't bc of how the rest of the season seems to be laid out. Might have been more realistic to have Ellie show up after they had already left but they wanted the dramatic scene.
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In reply to TCTTS • 6:48a, 4/21/25
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I think a few things. One, the code. Two, she never really saw Joel or Ellie, so she didn't know what Ellie looked like.

Three I think might be a little more complicated, but in some respects, acknowledging Ellie is sort of also admitting that her dad wasn't necessarily the great person she had built up in her mind. He was willing to kill Ellie, and maybe put her through hell first, to find a cure. Maybe the ends justify the means, but you can't say he's just some innocent who was randomly killed. Acknowledging Ellie is admitting that her dad was willing to be a murderer.
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7:01a, 4/21/25
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They had no idea who Ellie was or why she was important. She was some random patrol soldier trying to save her friends, one of which was also a young woman.

Remember, they didn't even remember Joel's name at the start of E1. One of them tried to bringing up "the girl" and got shot down. Joel was the only goal.
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In reply to TCTTS • 7:05a, 4/21/25
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TCTTS said:
Joel was trying to save Ellie's life, and only killed who he needed to in order to achieve that objective. In that regard, I can at least understand his thinking/mercy (even if I don't agree with it).

What I can't understand is a group of former Fireflies, who likely know how important Ellie is, and what she can do for humanity, just leaving her like that.

I shouldn't have asked why they let her live, rather why didn't they drug Ellie and take her with them to Seattle or wherever?
Because they have absolutely no idea who Ellie is as far as we know.
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7:18a, 4/21/25
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TCTTS-

The first episode reeled you back in completely & this one makes you want to hang it up?
Both episodes were super flawed for different reasons, but at least this one had some action.

Ellie was vulnerable & didn't come into to rescue Joel with Uzis in each hand taking down people with flying head scissors. I'm not even pissed Joel is dead, but I do think this show/scenario cries out for a strong male lead in some aspect. I'm not sure who that guy is, the other surviving men in the series haven't shown much in the way of acting chops, at all. If it's all girlboss from here on, I'm going to be out. Let's face it, any sort of apocalypse happens, strong dudes with guns are going to be important.

Speaking of dudes with guns, you've had years to prep for an attack. You've got 100+ people with guns including ex-military & get overrun that quickly? It should have been a turkey shoot. Also, study some old castle designs for fort building tips.

There had to have been several thousand zombies, what were they all doing in a horde buried under the snow? How did they get there? Shouldn't someone have seen them the previous fall while they were on patrol? Wouldn't the super cold blizzard conditions they were wandering through on the way to the fort not have frozen them? Hmm. Anyway, just one of many convenient plot coincidences that held the episode back. Maybe I missed the explanation on that one.
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7:47a, 4/21/25
AG
What's the story behind the fungus in the septic lines? Or are those water lines and everyone's drinking water is contaminating them?
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In reply to Muy • 7:58a, 4/21/25
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Muy said:
What's the story behind the fungus in the septic lines? Or are those water lines and everyone's drinking water is contaminating them?

Sewer lines. Assumption is they've been attracted to the activity in Jackson and have been gathering intel. Remember, the zombies are one big organism, and we've seen that it is growing smarter.
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8:21a, 4/21/25
Don't love the idea of bella Ramsey trying to carry the show without Pedro Pascal. He was the best part of the show up until now. The teenage antics ring hollow in a zombie apocalypse.
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8:26a, 4/21/25
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I still maintain Ellie should have been cast better. It's not that I think Bella is a terrible actress, but she isn't great (imo). She was obnoxious in GoT.

The combination of her writing, her looks, her acting ability, etc. just don't blend well for me.
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In reply to JDUB08AG • 8:35a, 4/21/25
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They could have found someone better for the most important character.

Her role in GOT was a simple one to cover. This one so much more complicated.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 9:23a, 4/21/25
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Brian Earl Spilner said:
They said it earlier in the episode. She has a code to never kill people who can't defend themselves.

I'm a little confused about this. When Abby said that to Joel and the camera gave us a shot of the golf clubs, I thought, "OK. Classic video game moment here. They are going to give Joel a golf club and he's going to have to fight the boss hand-to-hand with bad leg."

Instead, she says that, then she just brains him with it, beats him, and then stabs him...while he can't defend himself?
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9:25a, 4/21/25
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Beef! I was racking my brain trying to remember where I had seen Ella's ex during the episode and finally realized it was Beef. Ok, I can go on to other things now…
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In reply to MW03 • 9:26a, 4/21/25
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It definitely feels like an unneeded line. Maybe it was to explain why they didn't kill the girls. Maybe it will come into play later. But it didn't make much sense in context
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10:00a, 4/21/25
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The line was fine.

It was a way for her to tell him that he's a POS bc of how he killed her dad who was defenseless.

And of course she was justified in doing the same to Joel bc of what he did to her dad.
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10:39a, 4/21/25
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Admittedly not a gamer and I mean more than just this game. My gamer days were the OG Mario and Zelda games.

And I realize this is non gamer thread. But I fail to see the point of this game. Are you playing as Joel or Ellie or both? Or anyone? And what is the point of a game in which the outcome is predetermined.

As I have now seen the game equivalent of this. Ellie is helpless to stop this and Joel is going to die. Regardless of what you do. Sounds like a predetermined script and not a game.

Perfect coincidence of timing to have them out on patrol separately and in the path of the fireflies. Would have been more compelling to me to have Joel saving her make them happy to be alive and realize they needed to work together but whatever. Ok fate I guess. Let's not use our brains.

End rant. But I'm also leaning towards being done with this. Im just not invested now. And I dont care to see emo woke chicks at war when the bigger war is with the end of humanity.

<shrug>
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In reply to Zombie Jon Snow • 10:44a, 4/21/25
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Zombie Jon Snow said:
Admittedly not a gamer and I mean more than just this game. My gamer days were the OG Mario and Zelda games.

And I realize this is non gamer thread. But I fail to see the point of this game. Are you playing as Joel or Ellie or both? Or anyone? And what is the point of a game in which the outcome is predetermined.

As I have now seen the game equivalent of this. Ellie is helpless to stop this and Joel is going to die. Regardless of what you do. Sounds like a predetermined script and not a game.

Perfect coincidence of timing to have them out on patrol separately and in the path of the fireflies. Would have been more compelling to me to have Joel saving her make them happy to be alive and realize they needed to work together but whatever. Ok fate I guess. Let's not use our brains.

End rant. But I'm also leaning towards being done with this. Im just not invested now. And I dont care to see emo woke chicks at war when the bigger war is with the end of humanity.

<shrug>

Yeah you are two decades out of a lot of modern gaming. Naughty dog in particular are know for cinematic games. I can approach combat head on or stealth but Joel always will die

Why play Zelda if defeating Ganon is always predetermined
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In reply to Zombie Jon Snow • 10:45a, 4/21/25
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Predetermined game outcomes happen all the time. In fact that's how most of them are made. Can you figure it out.

You know, just like The Legend of Zelda.
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In reply to TCTTS • 10:59a, 4/21/25
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TCTTS said:
That's good to hear, at least.

Mainly, it's just that the timing feels so gratuitous and done more for shock value than anything. I'm not against killing off Joel in theory, but IMO it should have been a season finale kind of thing and not in the second episode of season two. I knew he was a goner, but I thought for sure Abby's season arc would be hunting him down, infiltrating the town, then finally getting her revenge toward the end of the season. Instead, this just felt like torture porn/shock value bull****, all due to the most stupid coincidence ever.


I recommend listening to the podcast. They did in fact debate pushing it back. But at the end of the day, this is the beginning of the story. This story is massive and this scene is the catalyst
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In reply to Saxsoon • 10:59a, 4/21/25
AG
Saxsoon said:
Zombie Jon Snow said:
Admittedly not a gamer and I mean more than just this game. My gamer days were the OG Mario and Zelda games.

And I realize this is non gamer thread. But I fail to see the point of this game. Are you playing as Joel or Ellie or both? Or anyone? And what is the point of a game in which the outcome is predetermined.

As I have now seen the game equivalent of this. Ellie is helpless to stop this and Joel is going to die. Regardless of what you do. Sounds like a predetermined script and not a game.

Perfect coincidence of timing to have them out on patrol separately and in the path of the fireflies. Would have been more compelling to me to have Joel saving her make them happy to be alive and realize they needed to work together but whatever. Ok fate I guess. Let's not use our brains.

End rant. But I'm also leaning towards being done with this. Im just not invested now. And I dont care to see emo woke chicks at war when the bigger war is with the end of humanity.

<shrug>

Yeah you are two decades out of a lot of modern gaming. Naughty dog in particular are know for cinematic games. I can approach combat head on or stealth but Joel always will die

Why play Zelda if defeating Ganon is always predetermined

You have to kill Ganon though after collecting the right stuff to do it and progressing through all the levels - and your death (Zelda) is not predetermined. This is like going through 6 of the 9 levels of Zelda and then you die and some princess takes over???

Anyway. the show just isn't grabbing me now. I haven't quit yet but we'll see. It'll have to become compelling pretty quick.





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In reply to Zombie Jon Snow • 11:02a, 4/21/25
AG
Zombie Jon Snow said:
Saxsoon said:
Zombie Jon Snow said:
Admittedly not a gamer and I mean more than just this game. My gamer days were the OG Mario and Zelda games.

And I realize this is non gamer thread. But I fail to see the point of this game. Are you playing as Joel or Ellie or both? Or anyone? And what is the point of a game in which the outcome is predetermined.

As I have now seen the game equivalent of this. Ellie is helpless to stop this and Joel is going to die. Regardless of what you do. Sounds like a predetermined script and not a game.

Perfect coincidence of timing to have them out on patrol separately and in the path of the fireflies. Would have been more compelling to me to have Joel saving her make them happy to be alive and realize they needed to work together but whatever. Ok fate I guess. Let's not use our brains.

End rant. But I'm also leaning towards being done with this. Im just not invested now. And I dont care to see emo woke chicks at war when the bigger war is with the end of humanity.

<shrug>

Yeah you are two decades out of a lot of modern gaming. Naughty dog in particular are know for cinematic games. I can approach combat head on or stealth but Joel always will die

Why play Zelda if defeating Ganon is always predetermined

You have to kill Ganon though after collecting the right stuff to do it and progressing through all the levels - and your death (Zelda) is not predetermined. This is like going through 6 of the 9 levels of Zelda and then you die and some princess takes over???

Anyway. the show just isn't grabbing me now. I haven't quit yet but we'll see. It'll have to become compelling pretty quick.





So you never played Super Mario Bros 2?
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In reply to LB12Diamond • 11:02a, 4/21/25
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LB12Diamond said:
The line was fine.

It was a way for her to tell him that he's a POS bc of how he killed her dad who was defenseless.

And of course she was justified in doing the same to Joel bc of what he did to her dad.

I rewatched it to try and make sense of it. She says that she joined a militia 5 years ago (so post Firefly) in Seattle and that her commanding officer taught her a code:

"We don't kill people that can't defend themselves. And right now, that's you. But I am going to kill you. Because it doesn't matter if you have a code like me, or you're a lawless piece of s*** like you, there are just some things, everyone agrees, that are just f****** wrong."

It just doesn't make a lot of sense. I guess she's saying that everyone agrees it's okay to break your code because of what it was that he did in killing her unarmed doctor daddy?

Is that verbatim from the game? Someone could have tightened up that dialog. Maybe even just changing it around a little bit. "We don't kill people that can't defend themselves. And right now, that's you. But I am going to kill you. Because it doesn't matter if you have a code like me, there are just some things, everyone agrees, that are just f****** wrong, you lawless piece of s***."


And now, after typing it out, I can't help but hear her original quote in a Trump voice because of the "everyone agrees" tag.
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In reply to Zombie Jon Snow • 11:13a, 4/21/25
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Zombie Jon Snow said:
Admittedly not a gamer and I mean more than just this game. My gamer days were the OG Mario and Zelda games.

And I realize this is non gamer thread. But I fail to see the point of this game. Are you playing as Joel or Ellie or both? Or anyone? And what is the point of a game in which the outcome is predetermined.

As I have now seen the game equivalent of this. Ellie is helpless to stop this and Joel is going to die. Regardless of what you do. Sounds like a predetermined script and not a game.

Perfect coincidence of timing to have them out on patrol separately and in the path of the fireflies. Would have been more compelling to me to have Joel saving her make them happy to be alive and realize they needed to work together but whatever. Ok fate I guess. Let's not use our brains.

End rant. But I'm also leaning towards being done with this. Im just not invested now. And I dont care to see emo woke chicks at war when the bigger war is with the end of humanity.

<shrug>
Total derail but this is my issue with most of the AAA games lately. If you look at what I consider the very best games ever made they have decision points where what you do changes outcomes. Examples of this include Witcher, Mass Effect, Baldur's Gate. On the other hand you have AAA games where you are along for the ride but they are considered great stories. Cinematic is the best way to describe them. Examples of this include God of War, Last of Us, Horizon, Indiana Jones, Hogwarts, Assassin's Creed, etc.

I much prefer the games were your decisions matter but they are much harder to make as you end up doing a bunch of coding and voice acting for outcomes that many players will never see.
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In reply to MW03 • 11:14a, 4/21/25
That dialog was not in the game, you do not find out who her dad was until later in the game. You play as Abby for awhile at the beginning fighting off the infected horde before being saved by Joel and Tommy
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11:21a, 4/21/25
Since there's so much game discussion on this page, does Ellie wear Converse throughout the game?

Because traipsing around Wyoming in the middle of winter in a pair of Chuck Taylor's seems a bit silly but I get it if that's an effort to stay true to the character design.
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In reply to JDUB08AG • 11:39a, 4/21/25
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Maybe yes, maybe no - if we're being honest, the last GoT episode came out 6 years ago and Bella had maybe 10 minutes of screen time total in the series. That's a lot of time to develop your acting chops and mature.

I'll say she was much better last night than in episode 1. I was half in the, they maybe should have cast someone else, basket last week.

Something else to consider is that her character in GoT was a bit of a fan favorite for her spunk. I'm certain that HBO saw that as something to build on, since TLoU is a similar genre.

Guess we'll all see how it shakes out - those that continue on.

On a side note - the game developer has not ruled out a TLoU 3. Concept and storyline is there, just not sure if they want to go through with it. Ironic that the last seasons of GoT were produced without Martin's books being finished (not sure they ever will) and now TLoU is green lit for a season 3 - without the game creator's content. Didn't go well for GoT/HBO.
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11:59a, 4/21/25
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I guess I'm on the other end....I think she's been a FANTASTIC actress. Especially in the scene last night with her begging for Joel's life. Is she annoying? Absolutely. But that's a testament to her great acting when she can evoke actual feelings and emotions in the viewers. She does for me, whether it be annoyance, anger, impatience, heartbreak....I've felt it all when watching her. Another time I thought her acting was outstanding was the mall scene with Riley. When she looked down at her arm, realized she'd been bitten, and had the moment of sheer panic.
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In reply to Capstone • 12:28p, 4/21/25
The producers have said that material from Part II of the game will be split up over TV show seasons 2 and 3
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In reply to AJ02 • 12:33p, 4/21/25
AG
I thought she was great in GoT too, not necessarily incredible acting chops but she was fun in the role.

As per last night's ep I didn't know that was coming and it was pretty emotional. I would have expected anything like that to happen later in the season and it sounds from other posts like they did consider pushing it back, but it also sounds like this is kicking off another big storyline so I'm curious to see where that goes.

It also makes sense that they didn't know who Ellie was, and even if they is there anyone they know that could do anything with that knowledge?

That was also a pretty epic invasion of Jackson, felt more like an end of season defending the town sequence than an ep 2 event. I'm still very in, looking forward to where they take the season.
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In reply to AJ02 • 12:33p, 4/21/25
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she didn't bug me last year (or as much in this episode). I think S02E01 was just a bad launching point for her character. I get that this was a setup for her later grief at having been a total B to Joel prior to his death.
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