They both can go. Hope both lose.
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I hate everyone at this point.
I don't mind Joe. He seems like a genuinely good guy and is a good strategic player. His flaw is that he runs the game by committee and is unable to make a move without Eva's approval. And she has zero pulse on the game. She's sitting pretty because of Joe and her idol yet has zero pulse on the game to this point.
Way to go MitchFord
Im annoyed that David allowed Mary to hijack his brain
Mary bout to win this season. The rest of these people gonna over play their hand.
Always crazy to me that alliances with a clear path to a final 4/5/6/whatever break up. Though it's hilarious that David got the villain edit and was totally right about Kyle and Shauhin. I guess bringing Mary in as his #1 (which I don't think we were really shown??) was David's real downfall. A true strong guys core 5 had an easy path if it stuck together.
Not sure how I feel about Joe and Eva turning on David. If you're going to sell an honest game, don't know that you get respect for blindsiding like that.
Now we're going to end up with Mitch and Star in the Final Tribal instead of 3 strong players (no offense to either, but they have had weak gameplay so far).
Not sure how I feel about Joe and Eva turning on David. If you're going to sell an honest game, don't know that you get respect for blindsiding like that.
Now we're going to end up with Mitch and Star in the Final Tribal instead of 3 strong players (no offense to either, but they have had weak gameplay so far).
The one thing Eva did- she lied about her advantage.
She said it has to be used by F6 when she came back and told all of them that.
It was quite clear that was F5 as she got the rules.
So I'm not clear if she intentionally backed it up a round while she was blabbing her mouth, or was just too stupid to know the difference.
Watch that.
I'd venture to guess everyone believes it runs out at F6, then she pulls it out at F5.
She said it has to be used by F6 when she came back and told all of them that.
It was quite clear that was F5 as she got the rules.
So I'm not clear if she intentionally backed it up a round while she was blabbing her mouth, or was just too stupid to know the difference.
Watch that.
I'd venture to guess everyone believes it runs out at F6, then she pulls it out at F5.
Mind boggling to me that David was the ONLY person in the strong alliance that was onto Kyle and Kamila. He should have been more tactful in the way he communicated, but damn I cannot believe more people weren't curious about why Kyle cared so much about Kam. That alliance about to crumble.
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The one thing Eva did- she lied about her advantage.
She said it has to be used by F6 when she came back and told all of them that.
It was quite clear that was F5 as she got the rules.
So I'm not clear if she intentionally backed it up a round while she was blabbing her mouth, or was just too stupid to know the difference.
Watch that.
I'd venture to guess everyone believes it runs out at F6, then she pulls it out at F5.
I remember her wording that oddly, and I think that's all it was. Surely they would have pointed out her lying about that.
It looked like Kyle believed his own lies. Everyone watching knows he has an alliance with Kamilla. David knows it. But Kyle seems to actually believe he has no idea what he's talking about when he's talking to the muscle alliance. He tells Joe it was because of things that happened to him when he was young that it triggered him. That's why he was acting all weird. Then he gets his origin story segment when viewers know he's full of it.
I thought this one might be different, but this season went the way all seasons go... The weaker players targeted the strongest player (David) as soon as he slips up.
I thought this one might be different, but this season went the way all seasons go... The weaker players targeted the strongest player (David) as soon as he slips up.
No, I don't care what CNN or Miss NOW said this time
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She didn't let them read the exact script, did she?Quote:
I remember her wording that oddly, and I think that's all it was. Surely they would have pointed out her lying about that.
Production ain't going to pop in and correct that lie.
Watch, when that one becomes a thing.
TexAgs91 said:
It looked like Kyle believed his own lies. Everyone watching knows he has an alliance with Kamilla. David knows it.
David thought Kamilla had an alliance with Shaheen, not Kyle.
I think he meant that production would have made a big deal out of that to the viewing audience!20ag07 said:She didn't let them read the exact script, did she?Quote:
I remember her wording that oddly, and I think that's all it was. Surely they would have pointed out her lying about that.
Production ain't going to pop in and correct that lie.
Watch, when that one becomes a thing.
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I think it was the immunity idol that she turned down a chance at that was what could be played at the Final 5.
The one she kept said the last time was at 7, and she told them "before the final 6 tribal", which is correct, if oddly worded.
I like Joe, but getting THAT offended in the game that someone accused you of going back on your word is a pretty obtuse way to play the game.
It feels like either Joe or Eva just cost themselves the win. Because since they think Kamilia is a target, they've just reduced their own alliance to the two of them, Shauhin, and Kyle (4), with Mary likely jumping ship to form a new 4 with Star, Mitch, and Kamilia. Except all Kyle has to do is flip and then it's 5-3 and they blindside either Joe or Eva.
Kyle should vote and then walk back with a shocked look on his face and say to Eva/Joe/Shauhin - "Someone blocked my vote" to continue giving himself plausible deniability that he didn't flop on them.
The one she kept said the last time was at 7, and she told them "before the final 6 tribal", which is correct, if oddly worded.
I like Joe, but getting THAT offended in the game that someone accused you of going back on your word is a pretty obtuse way to play the game.
It feels like either Joe or Eva just cost themselves the win. Because since they think Kamilia is a target, they've just reduced their own alliance to the two of them, Shauhin, and Kyle (4), with Mary likely jumping ship to form a new 4 with Star, Mitch, and Kamilia. Except all Kyle has to do is flip and then it's 5-3 and they blindside either Joe or Eva.
Kyle should vote and then walk back with a shocked look on his face and say to Eva/Joe/Shauhin - "Someone blocked my vote" to continue giving himself plausible deniability that he didn't flop on them.
Not only dealing with Mary, but David's continued showboating during challenges was gonna bite him in the ass. Even among a strong alliance, people internally get tired of that **** really quick. Plus if you are watching a guy dominate most of the challenges, you're gonna want to eliminate him the moment he ****s up so he doesn't coast to the final 3.
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That's a great point. I think what sealed his fate more than anything was saying "I should have won that challenge" after Joe was friggin on the edge of getting eliminated for 10 minutes and hung in there.wangus12 said:
Not only dealing with Mary, but David's continued showboating during challenges was gonna bite him in the ass. Even among a strong alliance, people internally get tired of that **** really quick.
Counterpoint said:I think he meant that production would have made a big deal out of that to the viewing audience!20ag07 said:She didn't let them read the exact script, did she?Quote:
I remember her wording that oddly, and I think that's all it was. Surely they would have pointed out her lying about that.
Production ain't going to pop in and correct that lie.
Watch, when that one becomes a thing.
Exactly. Usually when someone lies about an advantage, there is a cut away to the liar in a confessional saying "I told my alliance about it, but they think my idol expires at final 7, but it's really final 5."
IMO, David's biggest mistake was targeting Kamilla because "Shahim was aligned with her" while he is openly aligning with Mary in front of everyone.
That is the line of attack I would have used if I was Kyle last week. OK, if we are targeting Kamilla because she might have Shahim's ear, then I think we should dump Mary first, because Mary definitely has your ear. If we are pushing for a "strenght" alliance and you are going to bring in a strategic player right under our noses...
Yes, he had a couple of missteps this week as well, but I think the position he took last week by showing favor to Mary is what caused the strength alliance to crumble.
That is the line of attack I would have used if I was Kyle last week. OK, if we are targeting Kamilla because she might have Shahim's ear, then I think we should dump Mary first, because Mary definitely has your ear. If we are pushing for a "strenght" alliance and you are going to bring in a strategic player right under our noses...
Yes, he had a couple of missteps this week as well, but I think the position he took last week by showing favor to Mary is what caused the strength alliance to crumble.
I don't think that was a misstep for David though. He wanted Mary as a part of the strong 6 which there then shouldn't be an issue having a visibly close relationship with someone in your larger alliance. (See Joe and Eva) David got paranoid because 2 of the "strong 6" were trying to align interests with someone outside of their 6 while still claiming to be loyal.
David read the game extremely well. His down fall was his delivery was grade A ****** bag and his show boating in challenges was cringe worthy. I think taking David out before Mary was a smart move (for the other big players) because Mary isn't driving the game. She is (to this point) just a number to vote.
To your point though, I do think his stance with Kamilla and his skepticism of Kyle is ultimately what destroyed the alliance
David read the game extremely well. His down fall was his delivery was grade A ****** bag and his show boating in challenges was cringe worthy. I think taking David out before Mary was a smart move (for the other big players) because Mary isn't driving the game. She is (to this point) just a number to vote.
To your point though, I do think his stance with Kamilla and his skepticism of Kyle is ultimately what destroyed the alliance
Yep. Joe needed David for cover and now he's gone. I think the folks that aren't in the strong alliance along with Kyle and Shaheen will eventually make a move and go after Joe and Eva. Nobody will want to go up against them in a final. Unless Joe can keep winning immunities and Eva can use her idols for her own protection, they are toast.The Original Houston 1836 said:
It feels like either Joe or Eva just cost themselves the win.
Next episode sets up to be very interesting.
Shauhim, Joe, Eva are aligned and probably think they have Kyle
Kyle and Camilla are aligned
Mary is a free agent
Star voted for Mitch
I don't love anyone's game play right now, it could be wide open with Mitch and Eva being most likable people remaining.
Shauhim, Joe, Eva are aligned and probably think they have Kyle
Kyle and Camilla are aligned
Mary is a free agent
Star voted for Mitch
I don't love anyone's game play right now, it could be wide open with Mitch and Eva being most likable people remaining.
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On the podcast, Rachel went ahead and told it like it was for David - "don't be a sore loser after a challenge".
When David lost the Immunity Challenge, they had to vote him off. Especially, w/ his cocky attitude, being a cry baby after he lost, his paranoia (even though he was right), causing chaos and ultimately calling Joe out.... he had to go.
Eva doesn't have a clue..... poor thing. They're going to blind side her, but tell her they are going to blind side her and she will agree to it.
Still loving me some Star, but it amazes me that people come on Survivor and don't know how to swim?!?!?! WTF?
Eva doesn't have a clue..... poor thing. They're going to blind side her, but tell her they are going to blind side her and she will agree to it.
Still loving me some Star, but it amazes me that people come on Survivor and don't know how to swim?!?!?! WTF?
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Somebody almost drowned one time. Was it Osten, the workout freak who got destroyed by Rupert in a challenge and then quit?13 - 0 said:
When David lost the Immunity Challenge, they had to vote him off. Especially, w/ his cocky attitude, being a cry baby after he lost, his paranoia (even though he was right), causing chaos and ultimately calling Joe out.... he had to go.
Eva doesn't have a clue..... poor thing. They're going to blind side her, but tell her they are going to blind side her and she will agree to it.
Still loving me some Star, but it amazes me that people come on Survivor and don't know how to swim?!?!?! WTF?
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Man, David looked pissed after Joe lied to him last week.
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The Losers Club needs to work on Shauhin to get Joe or Eva out.
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I gotta say - the immunity challenge stacking the letters on the wobbly board. I'm not sure I could finish that in my own house in the span of 24 hours, much less on a beach in the wind with Jeff Probst yelling.
It's getting pretty late in the game for Kyle-Kamilla to do something special. When either one of them starts pitting themselves against the rest of the remaining players on who can win in front of a jury, only Kyle seems to have the potential to talk a good enough final address to the jury. And even then, does your case stack up against Joe's extended immunity run, Eva or Mitch's personal journeys to be here, or Shauhin's obvious likeability and solid game play?
The jury makeup and how they got there also has to be concerning some people. Especially for Joe. Seems unlikely David or Chrissy will vote for him, and Star seems very Team Eva. Cedric might vote for a cameraman or a tree given his wishy-washiness. You almost wish Sai was on the jury if you're Joe, at least she recognized game players.
It's getting pretty late in the game for Kyle-Kamilla to do something special. When either one of them starts pitting themselves against the rest of the remaining players on who can win in front of a jury, only Kyle seems to have the potential to talk a good enough final address to the jury. And even then, does your case stack up against Joe's extended immunity run, Eva or Mitch's personal journeys to be here, or Shauhin's obvious likeability and solid game play?
The jury makeup and how they got there also has to be concerning some people. Especially for Joe. Seems unlikely David or Chrissy will vote for him, and Star seems very Team Eva. Cedric might vote for a cameraman or a tree given his wishy-washiness. You almost wish Sai was on the jury if you're Joe, at least she recognized game players.
While I thought Star was funny and made for good TV, she can't rap very well.
I was hoping this vote would throw a curveball. Sadly, it looks like the alliance still holds strong.
I was hoping this vote would throw a curveball. Sadly, it looks like the alliance still holds strong.
Kyle, Kamilla, Mary and Aggie Mitch need to ally and knock the others off. Kyle would win easily w/ that group of losers.
Poor Eva isn't going to know what hit her.
Have any advantages or Immunity Idols been played this season? Mary used her Shot in the Dark.
Sad to see Star go. She was a bit hard headed at the end, but I liked her....even though she can't rap very well.
Poor Eva isn't going to know what hit her.
Have any advantages or Immunity Idols been played this season? Mary used her Shot in the Dark.
Sad to see Star go. She was a bit hard headed at the end, but I liked her....even though she can't rap very well.
Unfortunately Mitch feels like a passenger at this point. He could make the final 3 and get no votes.
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At any point here, Kyle just has to come back from the voting booth and whisper to whoever the target isn't "Someone blocked my vote, this is bad." to create plausible deniability that he didn't switch. The core 4 will think someone played that and an extra vote to get one of them out. IDK why he won't do it.
At what point will riding the middle come back to bite Kyle? He can't keep saying Kamilla is my #1 but then refuse to move on something that will help her game. I feel like we are about to get to a point where he will have to pick a side.
Kyle needs to pick a side now while the deplorables have the numbers.KCup17 said:
At what point will riding the middle come back to bite Kyle? He can't keep saying Kamilla is my #1 but then refuse to move on something that will help her game. I feel like we are about to get to a point where he will have to pick a side.
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