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There's a good two or three of us in the neighborhood whose cars would still work after an EMP, so there's that anyway.

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Hate to tell you. but IIRC, and EMP takes out all electronics, even analog.

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Ignition is breaker points and a condenser, mechanical fuel pump and carb, and the alternator has an external voltage regulator. Not sure if any of those would be affected beyond maybe needing a new voltage regulator but all that takes is removing a couple of bolts and a plug.

I want to read that book that someone else mentioned "one second after"

but when I was up at Westover Air Force Base in Massachusetts during the Halloween blizzard, even the gas station was shut down because of NO ELECTRICITY

something I did not even realize was a thing.

so I wonder if the gas stations would even work without electricity and chips?

that would make it even impossible for the military to really deploy other than in the immediate vicinity of their bases.

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There's a good two or three of us in the neighborhood whose cars would still work after an EMP, so there's that anyway.

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Well, at least according to Wiki, my earlier statement on cars is likely incorrect.

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An EMP would probably not affect most cars, despite modern cars' heavy use of electronics, because cars' electronic circuits and cabling are likely too short to be affected. In addition, cars' metallic frames provide some protection. However, even a small percentage of cars breaking down due to an electronic malfunction would cause traffic jams.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_electromagnetic_pulse#cite_note-metaR320-41][41][/url]

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I think older cars would be a lot more suspectable to an EMP pulse than new cars.

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Wouldn't the modern electronics tend to make the new cars far more susceptible? It doesn't take much of a surge to burn out modern chips.

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Yep, pretty much only the Cubans and their 1954 Fords will still be mobile.

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Every part of modern society runs on electricity now. The electricity goes, and boom, we're all cavemen again.

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Avoid Teslas at all costs.

A high probability scenario.

Solar flare
EMP
Cyberattack
Sabotage
or intentional act.

People cheered when they blew up Nordstream thinking the US is somehow immune to the same tactics.

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Why 90% of South?

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I'm thinking because it's hot as hell in the summers

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There's a good two or three of us in the neighborhood whose cars would still work after an EMP, so there's that anyway.

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An EMP would probably not affect most cars, despite modern cars' heavy use of electronics, because cars' electronic circuits and cabling are likely too short to be affected. In addition, cars' metallic frames provide some protection. However, even a small percentage of cars breaking down due to an electronic malfunction would cause traffic jams.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_electromagnetic_pulse#cite_note-metaR320-41][41][/url]

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I think older cars would be a lot more suspectable to an EMP pulse than new cars.

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Wouldn't the modern electronics tend to make the new cars far more susceptible? It doesn't take much of a surge to burn out modern chips.

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That's true. I was drawn into a case wherein different ages of vehicles were being tested for exposure to EMP. Was in the mid 80s. A 1966 Dodge pickup was the only one that continued to function properly.

Not modern ones, they use PLCs that would be shorted by an EMP. Most modern manufacturing centers operate the same way.

Google and Amazon would be down as well and all of their backups are not EMP protected.

You could repair vehicles if points distributors were damaged pretty easily, anything newer would likely not work.

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You could repair vehicles if points distributors were damaged pretty easily, anything newer would likely not work.

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Had a two experts both professors, electrical engineering and physics. Their assessment was that the electrical wiring in newer cars (computers) shorted out due the insulation burning out even as small as a pin point. And those shortages would be intermittent affecting things such as power brakes and power steering, even causing the engine to just stop while driving down the highway.

It will be one of those instances where luck could be the ultimate factor. I do work with high voltage mobile equipment and just running high voltage lines by a low voltage DC PLC can raise all kinds of havoc. Move an inch and the EMP interference is not a factory.

It's ok. We'll get shots and wear masks.

Well, I don't know about y'all, but I'm going to wrap my whole house in a Faraday cage this weekend.

My horse will keep running.

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An EMP today would be inconvenient.

But in 50 years, we'd go back to the stone age .

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Read "One Second After".

An EMP or severe Mass Coronal Ejection from the sun could do some pretty catastrophic damage to a large region. Let's hope it isn't here in the US.

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Guy did a ton of research to write that book, so much so that some of the US military made it standard reading. Within a year 90% of people in the south would be dead, something like 70% of people on meds dead within 60 days since there would be no way to get refills

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Not to mention that every grocery store will have nothing on the shelves within about 48 hours. Everyone in large cities are screwed. Especially those that have bought into the EV craze.

If we were to have an EMP, I'm getting wife & kids and getting to the ranch in no more than 2-3 hours. Risk goes up exponentially every 15 minutes after that.

EMP with cascading failures would be worst case scenario.

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You think only Tesla's would have an issue? That's cute. They thought otherwise in 1983.


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There's a good two or three of us in the neighborhood whose cars would still work after an EMP, so there's that anyway.

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An EMP would probably not affect most cars, despite modern cars' heavy use of electronics, because cars' electronic circuits and cabling are likely too short to be affected. In addition, cars' metallic frames provide some protection. However, even a small percentage of cars breaking down due to an electronic malfunction would cause traffic jams.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_electromagnetic_pulse#cite_note-metaR320-41][41][/url]

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Wouldn't the modern electronics tend to make the new cars far more susceptible? It doesn't take much of a surge to burn out modern chips.

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My 1956 Ford 600 aught to be just fine. I just won't get anywhere fast. Good news is there will be plenty of gas available in pretty much every other vehicle... at least until the Ethanol breaks it down.

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There's a good two or three of us in the neighborhood whose cars would still work after an EMP, so there's that anyway.

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Hate to tell you. but IIRC, and EMP takes out all electronics, even analog.

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Ignition is breaker points and a condenser, mechanical fuel pump and carb, and the alternator has an external voltage regulator. Not sure if any of those would be affected beyond maybe needing a new voltage regulator but all that takes is removing a couple of bolts and a plug.

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Is it feasible to have an entire set of ignition components in Faraday protected storage?

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An EMP today would be inconvenient.

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Read "One Second After".

An EMP or severe Mass Coronal Ejection from the sun could do some pretty catastrophic damage to a large region. Let's hope it isn't here in the US.

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Guy did a ton of research to write that book, so much so that some of the US military made it standard reading. Within a year 90% of people in the south would be dead, something like 70% of people on meds dead within 60 days since there would be no way to get refills

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Not to mention that every grocery store will have nothing on the shelves within about 48 hours. Everyone in large cities are screwed. Especially those that have bought into the EV craze.

If we were to have an EMP, I'm getting wife & kids and getting to the ranch in no more than 2-3 hours. Risk goes up exponentially every 15 minutes after that.

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Hurricane Rita situation in Houston is our best case study of what would happen if people try and flee a major metro area.

Agreed. My family has property on 146 near Livingston and it was a parking lot. We had to run so many people off our property in that fiasco. I would multply Rita by 10 and that is what it would be like. Anyone inside Grand Parkway is screwed, IMO

I live in a remote mountain town, while might be a good thing, it will have its own challenges. Most of my friend group keep a basement of food and provisions, as do I.

And that's exactly where we'll head if we can get out.

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There's a good two or three of us in the neighborhood whose cars would still work after an EMP, so there's that anyway.

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An EMP would probably not affect most cars, despite modern cars' heavy use of electronics, because cars' electronic circuits and cabling are likely too short to be affected. In addition, cars' metallic frames provide some protection. However, even a small percentage of cars breaking down due to an electronic malfunction would cause traffic jams.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_electromagnetic_pulse#cite_note-metaR320-41][41][/url]

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I wonder about that.

Newer cars are filled with computer chips. Even things like headlights have chips in them. According to Forbes, there are 1000-3000 chips in most cars. One chip going out could cause major problems.

You wouldnt have that issue with an older car.

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Not to mention that every grocery store will have nothing on the shelves within about 48 hours. Everyone in large cities are screwed. Especially those that have bought into the EV craze.

If we were to have an EMP, I'm getting wife & kids and getting to the ranch in no more than 2-3 hours. Risk goes up exponentially every 15 minutes after that.

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This is something I've debated 1000 times in my head. Stay put, or 'head for the hills?'

Without electronics, there are no phones, TV, radios, etc...You won't know how large the affected area is. Is it your city? Your State, the entire country? Are we at the center of the damage, or on the fringe? Do you try to make it South towards Mexico, in hopes that they aren't affected. Or do you stay put and fortify your house?

We have some land in the family, which would be a good bug-out place, but it's 2.5 hours by vehicle. It would take days to get there by foot.

Think that is what most people don't realize, if you have to travel hours by car to get somewhere you would be facing a lot of jams that would likely prevent you from going on major roads. For most people in the burbs...you are SOL unless you can only take back roads. That includes me.

Random, but last time I was on the island of Kauai, I just remember thinking "this place is meant to withstand a SHTF scenario (aside from Tsunami)". Roosters and hens running around literally everywhere. Too many for the local population to ever eat. Natural fruits and lots of relatively clean fresh water as well. Can basically just bathe in the ocean water there and be pretty clean. Much of the population there is also less removed from primitive roots than people here on the mainland...I don't see them freaking out and murdering each other to the extent people here would...because basic survival is much easier and they are largely one big tribe by comparison.

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There's a good two or three of us in the neighborhood whose cars would still work after an EMP, so there's that anyway.

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Well, at least according to Wiki, my earlier statement on cars is likely incorrect.

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An EMP would probably not affect most cars, despite modern cars' heavy use of electronics, because cars' electronic circuits and cabling are likely too short to be affected. In addition, cars' metallic frames provide some protection. However, even a small percentage of cars breaking down due to an electronic malfunction would cause traffic jams.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_electromagnetic_pulse#cite_note-metaR320-41][41][/url]

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I wonder about that.

Newer cars are filled with computer chips. Even things like headlights have chips in them. According to Forbes, there are 1000-3000 chips in most cars. One chip going out could cause major problems.

You wouldnt have that issue with an older car.

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See the video link I posted. They were worried about EMP's and cars 40 years ago.