KC Chiefs Parade Shooting

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aTm2004 said:

TexasRebel said:

DeProfundis said:

So I am going to guess that some black people got upset at each other and started shooting indiscriminately into a crowd.



What's that short word for "several people"?
Fang? R...ran...rang? Sang? Something like that.


"Large gathering of people"
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They know the cause/motive but won't identify who has been in custody for 24 hours. Incredible
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aTm2004 said:

TexasRebel said:

DeProfundis said:

So I am going to guess that some black people got upset at each other and started shooting indiscriminately into a crowd.



What's that short word for "several people"?
Fang? R...ran...rang? Sang? Something like that.


A gathering of people who annoy you
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As usual, Democrats will blame these shootings on Republicans. On Instagram, my acquittance shared a TikTok video from Brittany Packnett Cunningham, who said said that the shooting at the Kansas City Parade is what happens when Cowards are in charge. She claimed how Missouri Governor Mike Parson ran in fear from this shooting and how US Senator Josh Hawley ran in fear from the January 6 United States Capitol attack.
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aTm2004 said:

Nanomachines son said:

aTm2004 said:

Nanomachines son said:

aTm2004 said:

Agree. It is a culture issue and the leaders within the black communities who call this out are ignored. As a society, we need to have the uncomfortable conversation if we really want to solve anything.


Culture does not explain why the UK, Canada, Israel, Japan, and France have the same racial breakdowns in violent crime. Why is it so hard for some of you to admit it literally is a racial issue?
I don't give a chit about the UK, Canada, Israel, Japan, or France. I care about the US. It's not just a race issue. It's a culture issue within a specific race. Did we have this issue 50-60 years ago? Or is this something relatively recent with the rise of fatherless homes? Single moms with multiple kids by multiple deadbeats? Music that glorifies guns, violence, sex, and abuse of women? Kids who choose education over ignorance being told they're acting white?

I'm seriously asking, because I don't think black people who grew up in stable 2 parent homes with discipline and a push for education are causing these issues. I mean, Asians are always the lowest no matter where you look. Why is that? Because of strong family values and education being the foundation of their culture.

I know there are going to be black Ags reading this who are no different than you and I that are judged because of chit like this from of nothing more than their skin color, and it ****ing sucks and is wrong. They are not the same as the ****tards that commit violent crimes.


Yes, we did have this issue 60 years ago. The difference is that whites still had balls and didn't care if some jackass called them racist because they were in fact racist. Crime was punished harshly and private citizens could deal with crime easily on their own without worrying about some leftist prosecuting them for vigilantism.

We removed every major safeguard in our criminal system and everyone knows it. So the violent criminals who may not have acted previously now know they can get away with it and do so with impunity.

This is why they do everything in NYC and then drive to Florida to sell it. They get arrested and punished in Florida while they get free reign in NYC.

With regards to culture, that is always downstream of behavioral genetics. Your behavior is governed by genetics. For example, blacks have a much higher percentage of the population with the 2-repeat allele of the MAOA gene than any other race. That gene is directly responsible for a significantly increased risk of violent crime in that person.
So, you're saying black people are genetically predisposed to being violent, and in so being, liberal whites have made it almost impossible to hold those accountable for said crimes? I agree with the latter but question the former.


Yes to both. This is exactly what behavioral genetics states. All crime data globally backs this up.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24326626/

Quote:

There has been a great deal of research examining the link between a polymorphism in the promoter region of the MAOA gene and antisocial phenotypes. The results of these studies have consistently revealed that low activity MAOA alleles are related to antisocial behaviors for males who were maltreated as children. Recently, though, some evidence has emerged indicating that a rare allele of the MAOA gene-that is, the 2-repeat allele-may have effects on violence that are independent of the environment. The current study builds on this research and examines the association between the 2-repeat allele and shooting and stabbing behaviors in a sample of males drawn from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health. Analyses revealed that African-American males who carry the 2-repeat allele are significantly more likely than all other genotypes to engage in shooting and stabbing behaviors and to report having multiple shooting and stabbing victims. The limitations of the study are discussed and suggestions for future research are offered.
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So we still got no idea what happened here?

Are we allowed to know?

'A dispute among several people and not terrorism.'

Ok thank you, drive through.
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apparently the adult has been released

and only the 2 juveniles remain in custody...waiting to be charged
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Pylon Cam said:

e=mc2 said:

Just another lawless, Democrat city. Democrats turn their cities into **** holes.
It's disingenuous (at best) to pin this on Democrats. This is 100% the fault of Republican gun policy.

If we enacted common sense gun control, we'd see way less of this *****
Bull ***** I highly doubt all of the gun laws in the world would work on criminals. Your argument is infantile and ridiculous.
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Two dead 23 wounded including kids and the story is still below the fold on anything related to Trump.

If the story can't be tied to Trump it's just chaff to the MSM.

Surprised we don't have an allegation yet of one of the juvenile shooters yelling 'this is maga country!' or an allegation that the argument that led to the shooting was about Trump.

The lack of accountability of law enforcement and lack of accountability of the media has hit a new level.

The people aren't entitled to know anything about anything. Incidents like this get locked down, no questions asked. That has become the norm.
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e=mc2 said:

Pylon Cam said:

e=mc2 said:

Just another lawless, Democrat city. Democrats turn their cities into **** holes.
It's disingenuous (at best) to pin this on Democrats. This is 100% the fault of Republican gun policy.

If we enacted common sense gun control, we'd see way less of this *****
Bull ***** I highly doubt all of the gun laws in the world would work on criminals. Your argument is infantile and ridiculous.
You are talking about liberals, would you expect anything other than infantile and ridiculous? The economy is stellar, Trump is literally Hitler, Biden is a great president, anything that happens with guns is solely the fault of republicans and not passing gun laws, when there are already literally gun laws in place that should prohibit these shooters from having a gun.
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El Gallo Blanco said:

Some of the safest places IN THE WORLD are conservative communities with extraordinarily high gun ownership rates. Guns are not the problem. We have a people problem in this ever-decaying society. Especially in certain communities where fathers are almost non-existent, degeneracy is applauded, and most adults read at an elementary school level.
Yep. Brought to you by Democrats in nearly every major US city.
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You're making a HUGE leap from that abstract to "black people are predisposed to being violent."

This:

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Analyses revealed that African-American males who carry the 2-repeat allele are significantly more likely than all other genotypes to engage in shooting and stabbing behaviors and to report having multiple shooting and stabbing victims.


doesn't say what you're claiming. It is strictly limited to, "African-American males who carry the 2-repeat allele," which is, "a rare allele of the MAOA gene." So a very small subset of black people might be predisposed to violence, but that is much different than all black people in general.

Even that is also a claim that is only valid within the limits of the study, which we don't know because you only published the abstract. Without being able to review the paywalled paper, it's really difficult to dig into the findings and what those caveats are.

One of them is undoubtedly environmental factors, and there is other evidence to suggest that paternal closeness moderates the relationship between the 2R allele and delinquency. It would make sense that there is a disproportionate relationship with violence when blacks are less likely to have present father figures if that is not controlled for.


And even the author of that study says you're drawing the wrong conclusion.

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Beaver claims that 2R alone may be strong enough to account for a significant amount of violent behavior in African American men. But he doesn't think this rare gene version explains all of the variation between men who have and don't have severe antisocial traits. As he puts it, "Even if MAOA-2R is causally linked with antisocial behaviors, it is not common enough in African Americans to solely account for crime rates in blacks"


And there are others with a different perspective:

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Choe's study is the first to demonstrate that ethnic minority children African Americans, not just Caucasians with a low-expression MAOA gene variant who face harsh discipline have an increased risk for antisocial behavior. Choe's team published the effects of just the 3R variant, excluding five African American participants in their study carrying the 2R version. Curious about possibly different effects of 2R, they then reanalyzed the data to include the five black males with 2R. The findings remained the same. Combining the boys with 2R the highest risk variant and those with the less severe risky 3R did not change the differences the researchers found between the 3R and 4R variants. The five males with 2R comprised a very small sample, but the fact that both low-activity MAOA variants, 2R and 3R, interacted with an environmental factor punitive discipline at specific ages, or developmental milestones, is noteworthy. It suggests the effects of MAOA-2R on antisocial behaviors are partly mediated by non-genetic factors.

Choe stresses that genetic influences on social behaviors such as juvenile delinquency cannot be fully understood outside the context of social circumstances. He is referring not only to parenting styles, but also to the in utero environment of the unborn fetus. As he explains, compared to the white youth in his study, the African Americans were more likely to grow up in poorer, urban, dangerous neighborhoods. A high percentage of these youth are being raised by single mothers, and they grow up without the attention found in most middle-class homes. Choe acknowledges the role of genes in behavior, but he clearly thinks that environmental factors contribute substantially to ethnic differences in antisocial behaviors. As he points out, the white kids in the sample were also poor, but they lived in low-income suburban communities, not in densely concentrated inner cities. The suburbs pose less of a risk than urban communities for group delinquent behavior
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Pylon Cam said:

How many more shootings will it take for Republicans to wake up? All of this suffering, carnage, and death is not worth it.

If you are a Christian, or even if you just have any morals, you should be all for getting guns off the street.


So what you are saying is all guns need to be taking away from Democrat voters because they are the ones responsible for the bulk of the gun violence.

I think that is a dandy idea.
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Nanomachines son said:

aTm2004 said:

Nanomachines son said:

aTm2004 said:

Nanomachines son said:

aTm2004 said:

Agree. It is a culture issue and the leaders within the black communities who call this out are ignored. As a society, we need to have the uncomfortable conversation if we really want to solve anything.


Culture does not explain why the UK, Canada, Israel, Japan, and France have the same racial breakdowns in violent crime. Why is it so hard for some of you to admit it literally is a racial issue?
I don't give a chit about the UK, Canada, Israel, Japan, or France. I care about the US. It's not just a race issue. It's a culture issue within a specific race. Did we have this issue 50-60 years ago? Or is this something relatively recent with the rise of fatherless homes? Single moms with multiple kids by multiple deadbeats? Music that glorifies guns, violence, sex, and abuse of women? Kids who choose education over ignorance being told they're acting white?

I'm seriously asking, because I don't think black people who grew up in stable 2 parent homes with discipline and a push for education are causing these issues. I mean, Asians are always the lowest no matter where you look. Why is that? Because of strong family values and education being the foundation of their culture.

I know there are going to be black Ags reading this who are no different than you and I that are judged because of chit like this from of nothing more than their skin color, and it ****ing sucks and is wrong. They are not the same as the ****tards that commit violent crimes.


Yes, we did have this issue 60 years ago. The difference is that whites still had balls and didn't care if some jackass called them racist because they were in fact racist. Crime was punished harshly and private citizens could deal with crime easily on their own without worrying about some leftist prosecuting them for vigilantism.

We removed every major safeguard in our criminal system and everyone knows it. So the violent criminals who may not have acted previously now know they can get away with it and do so with impunity.

This is why they do everything in NYC and then drive to Florida to sell it. They get arrested and punished in Florida while they get free reign in NYC.

With regards to culture, that is always downstream of behavioral genetics. Your behavior is governed by genetics. For example, blacks have a much higher percentage of the population with the 2-repeat allele of the MAOA gene than any other race. That gene is directly responsible for a significantly increased risk of violent crime in that person.
So, you're saying black people are genetically predisposed to being violent, and in so being, liberal whites have made it almost impossible to hold those accountable for said crimes? I agree with the latter but question the former.


Yes to both. This is exactly what behavioral genetics states. All crime data globally backs this up.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24326626/

Quote:

There has been a great deal of research examining the link between a polymorphism in the promoter region of the MAOA gene and antisocial phenotypes. The results of these studies have consistently revealed that low activity MAOA alleles are related to antisocial behaviors for males who were maltreated as children. Recently, though, some evidence has emerged indicating that a rare allele of the MAOA gene-that is, the 2-repeat allele-may have effects on violence that are independent of the environment. The current study builds on this research and examines the association between the 2-repeat allele and shooting and stabbing behaviors in a sample of males drawn from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health. Analyses revealed that African-American males who carry the 2-repeat allele are significantly more likely than all other genotypes to engage in shooting and stabbing behaviors and to report having multiple shooting and stabbing victims. The limitations of the study are discussed and suggestions for future research are offered.

I heard you can read the skull bones of colored folk and tell whether they have inferior thinkin'...


Just saying, man. This is 2024.
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Tarponfly said:

Nanomachines son said:

aTm2004 said:

Nanomachines son said:

aTm2004 said:

Nanomachines son said:

aTm2004 said:

Agree. It is a culture issue and the leaders within the black communities who call this out are ignored. As a society, we need to have the uncomfortable conversation if we really want to solve anything.


Culture does not explain why the UK, Canada, Israel, Japan, and France have the same racial breakdowns in violent crime. Why is it so hard for some of you to admit it literally is a racial issue?
I don't give a chit about the UK, Canada, Israel, Japan, or France. I care about the US. It's not just a race issue. It's a culture issue within a specific race. Did we have this issue 50-60 years ago? Or is this something relatively recent with the rise of fatherless homes? Single moms with multiple kids by multiple deadbeats? Music that glorifies guns, violence, sex, and abuse of women? Kids who choose education over ignorance being told they're acting white?

I'm seriously asking, because I don't think black people who grew up in stable 2 parent homes with discipline and a push for education are causing these issues. I mean, Asians are always the lowest no matter where you look. Why is that? Because of strong family values and education being the foundation of their culture.

I know there are going to be black Ags reading this who are no different than you and I that are judged because of chit like this from of nothing more than their skin color, and it ****ing sucks and is wrong. They are not the same as the ****tards that commit violent crimes.


Yes, we did have this issue 60 years ago. The difference is that whites still had balls and didn't care if some jackass called them racist because they were in fact racist. Crime was punished harshly and private citizens could deal with crime easily on their own without worrying about some leftist prosecuting them for vigilantism.

We removed every major safeguard in our criminal system and everyone knows it. So the violent criminals who may not have acted previously now know they can get away with it and do so with impunity.

This is why they do everything in NYC and then drive to Florida to sell it. They get arrested and punished in Florida while they get free reign in NYC.

With regards to culture, that is always downstream of behavioral genetics. Your behavior is governed by genetics. For example, blacks have a much higher percentage of the population with the 2-repeat allele of the MAOA gene than any other race. That gene is directly responsible for a significantly increased risk of violent crime in that person.
So, you're saying black people are genetically predisposed to being violent, and in so being, liberal whites have made it almost impossible to hold those accountable for said crimes? I agree with the latter but question the former.


Yes to both. This is exactly what behavioral genetics states. All crime data globally backs this up.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24326626/

Quote:

There has been a great deal of research examining the link between a polymorphism in the promoter region of the MAOA gene and antisocial phenotypes. The results of these studies have consistently revealed that low activity MAOA alleles are related to antisocial behaviors for males who were maltreated as children. Recently, though, some evidence has emerged indicating that a rare allele of the MAOA gene-that is, the 2-repeat allele-may have effects on violence that are independent of the environment. The current study builds on this research and examines the association between the 2-repeat allele and shooting and stabbing behaviors in a sample of males drawn from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health. Analyses revealed that African-American males who carry the 2-repeat allele are significantly more likely than all other genotypes to engage in shooting and stabbing behaviors and to report having multiple shooting and stabbing victims. The limitations of the study are discussed and suggestions for future research are offered.

I heard you can read the skull bones of colored folk and tell whether they have inferior thinkin'...


Just saying, man. This is 2024.


"Posting anything meaningful here is like throwing a fresh dead lamb into the hyena cage" -Tarponfly

But you post that poor troll above?
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Libs, we don't need gun control laws any more than we already have. We need laws to be enforced, enacted upon, and punished. The absolute end to gun crime is the moment gangs in Chicago get to see the police, with no impunity, arrest ANYONE breaking the law, having the perp actually get charged with a felony, serve hard time for the crime, and anyone, ANYONE, who murders someone and gets found guilty is automatically subject to death with only one appeal, which occurs within 2 years of the original trial. When appeal if denied, Death Chamber TV or Firing Range TV is available for all to see. Pay a subscription and use it to help the municipality bury the criminal.

Gun crime stops with hard punishment of the criminal, not the citizenry….unless of course, you are truly a communist and know that those guns are all that stand between the free people and the totalitarianism you dream of. Ah, but beware, useful idiots, as Lenin coined folks like journalists, actors, and other SJW's of their time, were amongst the very first that disappeared once they got control. For the Useful Idiot is a great example to use to show your real enemy how little the regime cares about anyone, enemy or not.
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ABATTBQ11 said:

You're making a HUGE leap from that abstract to "black people are predisposed to being violent."

This:

Quote:

Analyses revealed that African-American males who carry the 2-repeat allele are significantly more likely than all other genotypes to engage in shooting and stabbing behaviors and to report having multiple shooting and stabbing victims.


doesn't say what you're claiming. It is strictly limited to, "African-American males who carry the 2-repeat allele," which is, "a rare allele of the MAOA gene." So a very small subset of black people might be predisposed to violence, but that is much different than all black people in general.

Even that is also a claim that is only valid within the limits of the study, which we don't know because you only published the abstract. Without being able to review the paywalled paper, it's really difficult to dig into the findings and what those caveats are.

One of them is undoubtedly environmental factors, and there is other evidence to suggest that paternal closeness moderates the relationship between the 2R allele and delinquency. It would make sense that there is a disproportionate relationship with violence when blacks are less likely to have present father figures if that is not controlled for.


And even the author of that study says you're drawing the wrong conclusion.

Quote:

Beaver claims that 2R alone may be strong enough to account for a significant amount of violent behavior in African American men. But he doesn't think this rare gene version explains all of the variation between men who have and don't have severe antisocial traits. As he puts it, "Even if MAOA-2R is causally linked with antisocial behaviors, it is not common enough in African Americans to solely account for crime rates in blacks"


And there are others with a different perspective:

Quote:

Choe's study is the first to demonstrate that ethnic minority children African Americans, not just Caucasians with a low-expression MAOA gene variant who face harsh discipline have an increased risk for antisocial behavior. Choe's team published the effects of just the 3R variant, excluding five African American participants in their study carrying the 2R version. Curious about possibly different effects of 2R, they then reanalyzed the data to include the five black males with 2R. The findings remained the same. Combining the boys with 2R the highest risk variant and those with the less severe risky 3R did not change the differences the researchers found between the 3R and 4R variants. The five males with 2R comprised a very small sample, but the fact that both low-activity MAOA variants, 2R and 3R, interacted with an environmental factor punitive discipline at specific ages, or developmental milestones, is noteworthy. It suggests the effects of MAOA-2R on antisocial behaviors are partly mediated by non-genetic factors.

Choe stresses that genetic influences on social behaviors such as juvenile delinquency cannot be fully understood outside the context of social circumstances. He is referring not only to parenting styles, but also to the in utero environment of the unborn fetus. As he explains, compared to the white youth in his study, the African Americans were more likely to grow up in poorer, urban, dangerous neighborhoods. A high percentage of these youth are being raised by single mothers, and they grow up without the attention found in most middle-class homes. Choe acknowledges the role of genes in behavior, but he clearly thinks that environmental factors contribute substantially to ethnic differences in antisocial behaviors. As he points out, the white kids in the sample were also poor, but they lived in low-income suburban communities, not in densely concentrated inner cities. The suburbs pose less of a risk than urban communities for group delinquent behavior



Africans have the 2 repeat version at much higher rates than any other race, that is demonstrable fact. Combine that with a much lower overall average IQ and you have a recipe for violent crime. Both of these things are significant contributors to crime, we know this from the many studies on the issue.

The problem you and the person quoted is that you're only looking at the US and not the entire planet. Once again, I point you to violent crime stats in other nations with entirely different cultures. The racial breakdowns of crime are exactly the same as they are here on a per capita basis. The data is what it is. Are you saying that this it is pure coincidence that Asians are always the lowest and blacks are always the highest no matter the nation?
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Pylon Cam said:

American Hardwood said:

Pylon Cam said:

e=mc2 said:

Just another lawless, Democrat city. Democrats turn their cities into **** holes.
It's disingenuous (at best) to pin this on Democrats this is 100% the fault of Republican gun policy.

If we enacted common sense gun control, we'd see way less of this *****
How many laws do you think these shooters broke? And you think more laws are going to make law breakers suddenly obey more laws?

I think you must be a troll. It's just hard to believe anyone can live in such an irrational, emoting fantasy.
Most guns used in mass shootings were bought legally. That is a fact.

Sure, criminals will break laws, but they won't be able to go on a shooting rampage if they are unable to gain possession of a firearm.
You do realize that, when you account for the sheer numbers, "mass shootings" (which is an arbitrary and moving term) is literally a rounding error, correct?

That means that the number when compared to the whole is so small that you drop it when doing correct math and using significant digits.

But you know this and are just trolling for the hell of it. Sad life, but you do you I guess.
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barbacoa taco said:

GigEmADED said:

Pylon Cam said:

DrEvazanPhD said:

Pylon Cam said:

How many more shootings will it take for Republicans to wake up? All of this suffering, carnage, and death is not worth it.

If you are a Christian, or even if you just have any morals, you should be all for getting guns off the street.
If you're a practical person, you look at the 13% causing more than 50% of these types of incidents.

Don't go blaming republicans for perpetuating a victim mentality.
Dog whistle aside, those 13% would not have the same level of access to guns that they do now if not for Republican gun policy.

Gun control works, but only if it's applied everywhere. Guns are trafficked into states with stricter gun control from states with weaker gun control that's why we have this issue.


Guns don't kill people, people kill people.


We should get rid of knives,cars, busses, bats , rocks , alcohol, drugs, etc..

Your logic is so flawed


Btw… super low of you to bring up being a Christian , shows what yo aren't by using that as a cop out.
This argument is so stupid and self-defeating. Most of those things aren't specifically designed to kill people.

And cars are heavily regulated and we are constantly updating laws, technology, and infrastructure to make driving safer. And it's worked as car accident deaths have steadily declined.

Guns make it way easier to kill people. That is a fact.

edit: i'm a law abiding gun owner, just in case some idiot accuses me of wanting to ban and confiscate all guns
It isn't a dumb argument, because it's 100% fact.

And guns aren't designed to kill people. Theya re designed to launch a projectile out of a barrel. It is the person that dictates what that projectile does, just like it is the person that steers the car and it is the person that swings the bat and it is the person that uses the knife.

All of them make it way easier to kill people. Just about everything invented by man has, in some form or fashion, been used or modified to make it easier to kill people. That's a trait of human existence that isn't specific to firearms, which have only been around in what we'd call a modern form for about 150 years.
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Pylon Cam said:

How many more shootings will it take for Republicans to wake up? All of this suffering, carnage, and death is not worth it.

If you are a Christian, or even if you just have any morals, you should be all for getting guns off the street.
Amen brother! Let's also pass some laws to get drugs off the streets. And while we are at it, let's pass some laws that discourage criminals from owning guns. What the heck, let's go over the top and make it illegal to kill people with any weapon.
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barbacoa taco said:

1872walker said:

Pylon Cam said:

American Hardwood said:

Pylon Cam said:

e=mc2 said:

Just another lawless, Democrat city. Democrats turn their cities into **** holes.
It's disingenuous (at best) to pin this on Democrats this is 100% the fault of Republican gun policy.

If we enacted common sense gun control, we'd see way less of this *****
How many laws do you think these shooters broke? And you think more laws are going to make law breakers suddenly obey more laws?

I think you must be a troll. It's just hard to believe anyone can live in such an irrational, emoting fantasy.
Most guns used in mass shootings were bought legally. That is a fact.

Sure, criminals will break laws, but they won't be able to go on a shooting rampage if they are unable to gain possession of a firearm.


You think someone who wants to commit a crime with a firearm will even attempt to purchase that firearm legally?

Follow-up. If that same person is legally prohibited from purchasing said firearm, do you believe they will not acquire a firearm illegally?

At what point do we start enforcing existing laws rather than creating new ones that will similarly be ignored?
You would have a decent point if so many mass shooters didn't acquire their guns legally. They do that because it's the path of least resistance.
Most of the "mass shooters" had red flags and were well known to the local law enforcement as well. But they did nothing to address those red flags. Because it's the path of least resistance to just ignore or pretend a problem doesn't exist.

And plenty of them didn't get their firearms legally. The overwhelming majority of crimes committed with a firearm are done with illegally obtained firearms and by people that legally cannot own or possess a firearm. But those laws didn't magically stop the criminal from being a criminal, now did they?

Facts suck when they don't support your argument or narrative. Shouldn't you be out protesting something somewhere anyway?
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Pylon Cam said:

American Hardwood said:

Tramp96 said:

Pylon would have advocated for the sling and rocks to be taken away from David.
Worse, people like her would have advocated not just confiscating his weapons, but also throwing him to the lions for being a terrorist.
You're describing the "shall not infringe" crowd.

I'm fighting against the status quo. I'm fighting against the laws that have made it so easy for people to harm their fellow man. I'm fighting for what Jesus actually taught.
What laws - and be very specific - make it "so easy for people to harm their fellow man".

Specific is the key here, I want the actual statute.
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Another case of if you disarm most Democrats or keep them in prison for the full sentence after they keep breaking laws and harming people, the violent crime rate would plummet.
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Nanomachines son said:

japantiger said:

LMCane said:

Baseball Is Life said:

Pylon Cam said:

e=mc2 said:

Just another lawless, Democrat city. Democrats turn their cities into **** holes.
It's disingenuous (at best) to pin this on Democrats this is 100% the fault of Republican gun policy.

If we enacted common sense gun control, we'd see way less of this *****

Mexico is a shinning example of your gun free utopia.
how come in Israel and Switzerland where there are massive amounts of fully automatic rifles being carried by citizens,

there is a tiny fraction of the number of shootings in the USA?
73% of all murders happen in 5% of the counties in the US...Democrat controlled Urban centers. 52% of all counties have no murders. If we keep guns away from Democrats, crime will drop 90%. We all know the reason for this...Chicago, Detroit, Washington, DC, St Louis and Philadelphia drive the majority of it.

The below is from that bastion of hard-right wing press, NPR: "most gun violence is very tightly concentrated on a small number of very high risk young Black male adults that have a shared set of common risk factors," https://npr.org/local/305/2022/02/21/1082103272/a-majority-of-d-c-s-gun-violence-is-driven-by-a-small-number-of-people-study-says……


It is not and never will be a democrat issue. Stop obfuscating the actual data. The issue is exclusively a racial one. Democrat controlled Vermont has almost no violent crime, why? Because it's like 95% white.

You people are engaging in the same type of data denial the left does. Stop doing it.

Except it is. You are correct that it is primarily a race issue, but those that say it is a democrat issue are also correct because of the location and frequency of the majority of crimes, and the fact that blacks vote well over 90% democrat and the fact that it is democrat policies that continue to make the problem worse.

It is 100% a function of both arguments being correct.
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TxAG#2011 said:

Philip J Fry said:

Pylon Cam said:

e=mc2 said:

Just another lawless, Democrat city. Democrats turn their cities into **** holes.
It's disingenuous (at best) to pin this on Democrats. This is 100% the fault of Republican gun policy.

If we enacted common sense gun control, we'd see way less of this *****


The answer to gun violence is to allow the innocent civilians to protect themselves.


So all those kids at Uvalde should have been strapped?
Aside from the abject stupidity of this post in general.....


.....given the reaction of the supposed adults and law enforcement, I bet those kids being strapped would have produced a better overall outcome than the one where armed law enforcement sat around jerking each other off for 45 minutes while children were murdered within hearing distance and sight distance of the super duper brave men that chose to do nothing.
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El Gallo Blanco said:

Nanomachines son said:

El Gallo Blanco said:

Nanomachines son said:

japantiger said:

LMCane said:

Baseball Is Life said:

Pylon Cam said:

e=mc2 said:

Just another lawless, Democrat city. Democrats turn their cities into **** holes.
It's disingenuous (at best) to pin this on Democrats this is 100% the fault of Republican gun policy.

If we enacted common sense gun control, we'd see way less of this *****

Mexico is a shinning example of your gun free utopia.
how come in Israel and Switzerland where there are massive amounts of fully automatic rifles being carried by citizens,

there is a tiny fraction of the number of shootings in the USA?
73% of all murders happen in 5% of the counties in the US...Democrat controlled Urban centers. 52% of all counties have no murders. If we keep guns away from Democrats, crime will drop 90%. We all know the reason for this...Chicago, Detroit, Washington, DC, St Louis and Philadelphia drive the majority of it.

The below is from that bastion of hard-right wing press, NPR: "most gun violence is very tightly concentrated on a small number of very high risk young Black male adults that have a shared set of common risk factors," https://npr.org/local/305/2022/02/21/1082103272/a-majority-of-d-c-s-gun-violence-is-driven-by-a-small-number-of-people-study-says……


It is not and never will be a democrat issue. Stop obfuscating the actual data. The issue is exclusively a racial one. Democrat controlled Vermont has almost no violent crime, why? Because it's like 95% white.

You people are engaging in the same type of data denial the left does. Stop doing it.

I think they play a decent role here. Over the decades look at what their policies have done to the black communities. Almost every one is a wasteland...with a large % hooked on the govt teet. There are almost no fathers present. They own almost no businesses. Schools are a disaster and literacy rates are shockingly bad. Crime is through the roof. And degeneracy is lauded. It was not always this way...even post slavery on through segregation, the gap was much smaller between average whites and blacks. Thomas Sowell (and very few others) does a great job of backing this up with actual data and statistics.

On top of that...the left has taken a very pro-criminal, anti-law and order approach. Follow the crime thread on the Houston board. Almost ZERO of these murderers should have been out on the streets.

I don't disagree entirely with you, just saying, the left has not helped.


The Democrat issue comes into play with regards to the punishment of crime but not who actually commits the most crime. The former can be fixed but the latter cannot. The former is a cultural one while the latter is a racial one.

El Salvador policy fixes the first one. Of course this by default will fix the second one because it will guaranteed lock up far more blacks on a per capita basis.
I genuinely want to get your take on this...how were blacks so much better off (by every important metric...marriage rates, education, avg household income etc etc), relative to their non-black peers, during Jim Crow era and on through the 60's? It seems that you do not believe the government targeting and woo-ing them for votes has contributed to the devastation we see in their communities.

LBJ reportedly said "I'll have those n-ers voting democrat for 200 years"...did he fail?
LBJ and his policies that have systematically destroyed the black nuclear family have made them collectively worse off than before, without a doubt.

That was the entire purpose of those policies though - the democrats wanted entire subsets of the population dependent on them, because they were dependent on their votes to stay in power.

The rise of the welfare state - where people were and are rewarded for having children out of wedlock - is the single biggest contributing factor, and it isn't debatable. Prior to that, generally speaking, blacks had about the same percentages of two parent homes, divorces, etc. as whites did.

You can argue from a social standpoing that Jim Crow wasn't a great time, and you'd be correct because it definitely had a clear division among races and various rights among the races, but from a purely familial perspective, the welfare state has absolutely destroyed the traditional black family and led to what we see now with large numbers of fatherless black kids, high crime rates among inner city and primarily black neighborhoods and blacks between the age of 17 and 35 being the single largest demographic committing violent crimes and with incarceration rates.
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schmellba99 said:

Nanomachines son said:

japantiger said:

LMCane said:

Baseball Is Life said:

Pylon Cam said:

e=mc2 said:

Just another lawless, Democrat city. Democrats turn their cities into **** holes.
It's disingenuous (at best) to pin this on Democrats this is 100% the fault of Republican gun policy.

If we enacted common sense gun control, we'd see way less of this *****

Mexico is a shinning example of your gun free utopia.
how come in Israel and Switzerland where there are massive amounts of fully automatic rifles being carried by citizens,

there is a tiny fraction of the number of shootings in the USA?
73% of all murders happen in 5% of the counties in the US...Democrat controlled Urban centers. 52% of all counties have no murders. If we keep guns away from Democrats, crime will drop 90%. We all know the reason for this...Chicago, Detroit, Washington, DC, St Louis and Philadelphia drive the majority of it.

The below is from that bastion of hard-right wing press, NPR: "most gun violence is very tightly concentrated on a small number of very high risk young Black male adults that have a shared set of common risk factors," https://npr.org/local/305/2022/02/21/1082103272/a-majority-of-d-c-s-gun-violence-is-driven-by-a-small-number-of-people-study-says……


It is not and never will be a democrat issue. Stop obfuscating the actual data. The issue is exclusively a racial one. Democrat controlled Vermont has almost no violent crime, why? Because it's like 95% white.

You people are engaging in the same type of data denial the left does. Stop doing it.

Except it is. You are correct that it is primarily a race issue, but those that say it is a democrat issue are also correct because of the location and frequency of the majority of crimes, and the fact that blacks vote well over 90% democrat and the fact that it is democrat policies that continue to make the problem worse.

It is 100% a function of both arguments being correct.


The 2 are joined at the hip. 40-50 years ago blacks were not WAY over represented as mayors, DA's, police chiefs, etc of major cities. As that has happened, criminal accountability has plummeted.
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things are moving very slow in Kansas City

still no charges

starting to wonder how young these juveniles are
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Kansas City Police Chief Stacey Graves said Thursday that the shooting that left 22 people with gunshot wounds and a woman dead started as a dispute between several people at the Kansas City Chiefs Super Bowl Victory Parade and Rally.

Kansas City leaders and police continue working to sort through evidence in Wednesday's Kansas City Chiefs parade and rally shooting at Union Station.

The Jackson County Family Court division announced Friday that the two teens taken into custody in connection with that shooting have been charged as juveniles.

In a statement, a spokesperson for the Family Court Division said the teens have been detained at the Juvenile Detention Center "on gun-related and resisting arrest charges."

The spokesperson went on to say that it is anticipated that additional charges will be filed in the future as the Kansas City Police Department investigation continues.

Because of their status as juveniles, no other information can be released.
https://www.kmbc.com/article/shooting-reported-at-kansas-city-chiefs-super-bowl-victory-rally/46790065
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Seems like they can release information about their parent(s)/guardian.
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What was the basis of the dispute that led to shooting?

That's all I wanna know.
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

What was the basis of the dispute that led to shooting?

That's all I wanna know.
A diss
A girl
Being "disrespected"
Drugs
Rival gangs
A slight
Someone looked at someone the wrong way

Pretty much anything is a possibility
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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Rapier108 said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

What was the basis of the dispute that led to shooting?

That's all I wanna know.
A diss
A girl
Being "disrespected"
Drugs
Rival gangs
A slight
Someone looked at someone the wrong way

Pretty much anything is a possibility
Could have been something as simple as stepping on the wrong person's J's TBH.
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Iraq2xVeteran said:

As usual, Democrats will blame these shootings on Republicans. On Instagram, my acquittance shared a TikTok video from Brittany Packnett Cunningham, who said said that the shooting at the Kansas City Parade is what happens when Cowards are in charge. She claimed how Missouri Governor Mike Parson ran in fear from this shooting and how US Senator Josh Hawley ran in fear from the January 6 United States Capitol attack.
Well the dems would obviously be wrong and are just continuing to perpetuate the myth about these events. And anything shared on Tiktok should be automatically be seen as dubious as an information source.

That said, Hawley did run, and many others from both parties were in fear of what was happening outside the chamber. Its not a big deal. If you don't know what's happening in the moment, I imagine its the prudent thing to do.
 
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