barbacoa taco said:

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which situation will likely lead to more deaths?

100 guns in a city of 1 million people, or 100,000 guns in a city of 1 million people?

dont even answer with a post. just digest this and answer it honestly to yourself. it's undeniable that the proliferation of guns (among other causes such as rampant poverty and broken homes) has led to the situation we are in right now.

like I said, I'm a gun owner and have never advocated for confiscation, but i'm also not going to be willfully blind and act like there's not a problem.

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barbacoa taco said:

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HumpitPuryear said:

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barbacoa taco said:

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Gunny456 said:

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674 people were killed as a result of cell phone use or texting in one year.
As soon as we make cell phones illegal I'll listen to " common sense" gun laws.

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texting while driving is illegal. you can get cited for it.

try again.

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People ignore laws.

Try again.

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that poster (and everyone who makes that argument) insinuates that because people break laws, we shouldn't have them. it's stupid logic.

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barbacoa taco said:

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which situation will likely lead to more deaths?

100 guns in a city of 1 million people, or 100,000 guns in a city of 1 million people?

dont even answer with a post. just digest this and answer it honestly to yourself. it's undeniable that the proliferation of guns (among other causes such as rampant poverty and broken homes) has led to the situation we are in right now.

like I said, I'm a gun owner and have never advocated for confiscation, but i'm also not going to be willfully blind and act like there's not a problem.

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barbacoa taco said:

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i didn't ask you to give up your guns, stop taking this so personally.

this isn't about you.

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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Pylon Cam said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Pylon Cam said:

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e=mc2 said:

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Just another lawless, Democrat city. Democrats turn their cities into **** holes.

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It's disingenuous (at best) to pin this on Democrats this is 100% the fault of Republican gun policy.

If we enacted common sense gun control, we'd see way less of this *****

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How many laws do you think these shooters broke? And you think more laws are going to make law breakers suddenly obey more laws?

I think you must be a troll. It's just hard to believe anyone can live in such an irrational, emoting fantasy.

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Most guns used in mass shootings were bought legally. That is a fact.

Sure, criminals will break laws, but they won't be able to go on a shooting rampage if they are unable to gain possession of a firearm.

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You think someone who wants to commit a crime with a firearm will even attempt to purchase that firearm legally?

Follow-up. If that same person is legally prohibited from purchasing said firearm, do you believe they will not acquire a firearm illegally?

At what point do we start enforcing existing laws rather than creating new ones that will similarly be ignored?

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Well, to answer your first question, yes. If most guns used in mass shootings were purchased legally, it would stand to reason that those shooters would in fact attempt to purchase a weapon legally because they did.

To answer your second question, they probably will successfully attempt to acquire one illegally. It's not hard to find a private buyer willing to sell a weapon. It doesn't matter if they ask for ID or anything if they're not running a background check.

To answer your third question, yes, existing laws should be more rigorously enforced. All too often the are failures in reporting for background checks that let people slip through the cracks.

All that said, you're both wrong.

This is (likely) on Democrats. If the reports of multiple shooters are true, this is likely gang related or terrorism. Democrats are notoriously soft on gangs and crime. Refusing to prosecute criminals and undercriminalizing acts like theft and assault leg to societies and cultures that lack basic law and order. Validating Islamists by equivocating rare instances of antimuslim crimes with rampant and broken antisemitism only serves to help Islamists recruit. Making excuses for and justifying terrorism abroad single does the same for would be terrorists here at home. Democrats policies and positions are highly conducive to violent crime, and it's asinine to pretend otherwise.

Yes, there are some common sense measures that could help keep guns out of criminals' hands. Most Republicans oppose them out of principle and purely to be oppositional. There's is no reason to not open NICS to private sales and give private sellers a free, easy avenue for background checks of potential buyers. It is also not out of the question to hold them liable if the gun sold is later used in a crime by someone who should not have been able to purchase a weapon if they did not run a check without making a failure to run a background check illegal. If you're confident in your buyer and know them well, then by all means skip the free and easy check. If you don't know them from Adam, then there should be a free and easy means to run a check unless you want to risk it. It's just freedom with responsibility.

Now, everyone flame away.

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Pylon Cam said:

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How many more shootings will it take for Republicans to wake up? All of this suffering, carnage, and death is not worth it.

If you are a Christian, or even if you just have any morals, you should be all for getting guns off the street.

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barbacoa taco said:

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HumpitPuryear said:

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I would like for the two liberal pearl-clutchers here to explain why my rural county where guns outnumber people by at least 3:1 never has a murder. Almost everyone has a firearm within reach either on their person or in their vehicle, yet miraculously no murders.

Neither are apparently very smart so I'll provide a statistic as a clue - the population is 99.9% white and Hispanic.

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I take issue with you correlating gun violence rates to race. But yes, small rural communities have lower murder and gun violence rates. Clearly. The vast majority of lawful gun owners are just that--lawful.

Gun violence rates cannot be attributed to one specific cause, and people have literally written dissertations on underlying causes of generational poverty and systemic problems that correlate with higher crime rates (and ergo, higher gun violence rates). It's not exactly surprising that gun violence rates are higher in major urban areas. Yes I know, the vast majority of big cities are run by Democrats, albeit a great number of these cities with high crime rates are in red states.

I still think we can do a much better job at reducing the number of guns on the streets and keeping guns out of the wrong hands. For example, i am still furious the Uvalde shooter was able to so easily purchase 2 AR15s, with as much ammunition as he wanted, right after his 18th birthday with no issue whatsoever, even though there were tons of red flags that should have either prevented him from buying them or delayed it. I'll never get over that.

Granted, the situation in KC is different and it will be several days until we know all the facts. I'm just tired of all this **** and tired of hearing people continue to make excuses for it.

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In 2021, among males, Black or African American (Black) males had the highest age-adjusted rate of firearm-related homicide (52.9 deaths per 100,000 standard population), and Asian males had the lowest rate (1.5). Among females, Black females had the highest rate (7.5), and Asian females had the lowest rate (0.5). Males had higher rates than females across all race and Hispanic origin groups.

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barbacoa taco said:

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which situation will likely lead to more deaths?

100 guns in a city of 1 million people, or 100,000 guns in a city of 1 million people?

dont even answer with a post. just digest this and answer it honestly to yourself. it's undeniable that the proliferation of guns (among other causes such as rampant poverty and broken homes) has led to the situation we are in right now.

like I said, I'm a gun owner and have never advocated for confiscation, but i'm also not going to be willfully blind and act like there's not a problem.

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Pylon Cam said:

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Pylon Cam said:

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This is a fair point laws are pretty useless if they aren't consistently enforced. I'm certainly in favor of using whatever laws we have in order to get violent criminals off the street.

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Then why do you keep favoring Democrat policies? Because getting violent criminals off the streets are exactly the opposite of what leftist DAs are doing.

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I disagree with your assessment.

In my view, Democrat DAs are doing an excellent job of showing compassion and giving people second chances (especially in non-violent cases, cases with a juvenile defendant, etc), while at the same time going after the violent criminals.

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Pylon Cam said:

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Slicer97 said:

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Pylon Cam said:

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This is a fair point laws are pretty useless if they aren't consistently enforced. I'm certainly in favor of using whatever laws we have in order to get violent criminals off the street.

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Then why do you keep favoring Democrat policies? Because getting violent criminals off the streets are exactly the opposite of what leftist DAs are doing.

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I disagree with your assessment.

In my view, Democrat DAs are doing an excellent job of showing compassion and giving people second chances (especially in non-violent cases, cases with a juvenile defendant, etc), while at the same time going after the violent criminals.

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