JFK, MLK, RFK files declassified.

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TacosaurusRex said:

Texas velvet maestro said:

TacosaurusRex said:

fullback44 said:

FriscoKid said:

I think MLK was 100% murdered by our government. JFK is less likely. But, let's drain the swamp. DC operates for us and not to control us. Trump is fighting a massive enemy right now.
Yes I would like to know why? Why take out someone like MLK? What was he doing that was so bad to piss them off? Just curious what MLK was up to? That was before my time
Communism
I'd like to see any evidence of this besides accusations or hearsay. I'm just saying that I've never seen or heard any evidence of this. I tend to to believe it was more about his general popularity and influence and effecting the status quo (riling up the Blacks).
Was LBJ already POTUS when MLK was killed? If so, I think the bolded part of your statement was enough of a reason for the decision makers as well.

Dude, you didn't take a history class anytime in school?
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https://www.wcvb.com/article/director-boston-jfk-library-reacts-trumps-order-release-assassination-documents/63535191

From a guy that's apparently already seen what's in them…..he reiterates what many of us have long suspected….there's nothing the new documents on JFK will reveal about a possible conspiracy…much ado about nothing!!
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Was LBJ already POTUS when MLK was killed? If so, I think the bolded part of your statement was enough of a reason for the decision makers as well.
November 1963, LBJ becomes POTUS after JFK is killed.
November 1964, LBJ beats Barry Goldwater in the Presidential election
Spring 1968, MLK is shot and killed.
June 1968, RFK is shot and killed
November 1968, Nixon beats Humphrey in the Presidential election
January 1969, Nixon is inaugurated POTUS.

Thus endeth today's history lesson.
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Duckhook said:

TacosaurusRex said:

Texas velvet maestro said:

TacosaurusRex said:

fullback44 said:

FriscoKid said:

I think MLK was 100% murdered by our government. JFK is less likely. But, let's drain the swamp. DC operates for us and not to control us. Trump is fighting a massive enemy right now.
Yes I would like to know why? Why take out someone like MLK? What was he doing that was so bad to piss them off? Just curious what MLK was up to? That was before my time
Communism
I'd like to see any evidence of this besides accusations or hearsay. I'm just saying that I've never seen or heard any evidence of this. I tend to to believe it was more about his general popularity and influence and effecting the status quo (riling up the Blacks).
Was LBJ already POTUS when MLK was killed? If so, I think the bolded part of your statement was enough of a reason for the decision makers as well.

Dude, you didn't take a history class anytime in school?
Because I didn't know the exact time line of a presidential transition that happened 25 years before I was even born?
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Because I didn't know the exact time line of a presidential transition that happened 25 years before I was even born?
Read my response to you again.

Do you see any connection between when JFK, RFK and MLK were killed?
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Hawg, I appreciate your quick response on the presidential happenings of the 60's. I think you might have got the replies mixed up though.

ETA: Is the connection LBJ, or is that just my bias in not liking the guy?
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Some successful assassination attempts happen before elections?
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TacosaurusRex said:

Hawg, I appreciate your quick response on the presidential happenings of the 60's. I think you might have got the replies mixed up though.
Point being, the one common denominator was LBJ being in the highest federal offices during that period.

Does that fact alone mean he was involved? No. But that also doesn't mean there should be no investigation nor questioning about the state of his mind and the question later made famous during Watergate of what did he know and when did he know it?
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TacosaurusRex said:

Duckhook said:

TacosaurusRex said:

Texas velvet maestro said:

TacosaurusRex said:

fullback44 said:

FriscoKid said:

I think MLK was 100% murdered by our government. JFK is less likely. But, let's drain the swamp. DC operates for us and not to control us. Trump is fighting a massive enemy right now.
Yes I would like to know why? Why take out someone like MLK? What was he doing that was so bad to piss them off? Just curious what MLK was up to? That was before my time
Communism
I'd like to see any evidence of this besides accusations or hearsay. I'm just saying that I've never seen or heard any evidence of this. I tend to to believe it was more about his general popularity and influence and effecting the status quo (riling up the Blacks).
Was LBJ already POTUS when MLK was killed? If so, I think the bolded part of your statement was enough of a reason for the decision makers as well.

Dude, you didn't take a history class anytime in school?
Because I didn't know the exact time line of a presidential transition that happened 25 years before I was even born?

Wow. Ancient history huh? Sorry, didn't mean to tax your brain. FYI, we landed on the moon as well.
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FriscoKid said:

I think MLK was 100% murdered by our government. JFK is less likely. But, let's drain the swamp. DC operates for us and not to control us. Trump is fighting a massive enemy right now.






MLK was a communist, serial adulterer, a false prophet, engaged gay orgies, and much more. He plagiarized his PhD and his speeches were written by his communist handlers. He was a subversive from the beginning. He was never a hero, never a good person, and never a Christian.

The odds of him being in Hell are extremely high.
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https://nypost.com/2025/01/24/us-news/martin-luther-king-jr-family-reacts-to-trump-executive-order-declassifying-fbi-files/

MLK family wants to review all files before they are released to the public.
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Duckhook said:

TacosaurusRex said:

Duckhook said:

TacosaurusRex said:

Texas velvet maestro said:

TacosaurusRex said:

fullback44 said:

FriscoKid said:

I think MLK was 100% murdered by our government. JFK is less likely. But, let's drain the swamp. DC operates for us and not to control us. Trump is fighting a massive enemy right now.
Yes I would like to know why? Why take out someone like MLK? What was he doing that was so bad to piss them off? Just curious what MLK was up to? That was before my time
Communism
I'd like to see any evidence of this besides accusations or hearsay. I'm just saying that I've never seen or heard any evidence of this. I tend to to believe it was more about his general popularity and influence and effecting the status quo (riling up the Blacks).
Was LBJ already POTUS when MLK was killed? If so, I think the bolded part of your statement was enough of a reason for the decision makers as well.

Dude, you didn't take a history class anytime in school?
Because I didn't know the exact time line of a presidential transition that happened 25 years before I was even born?

Wow. Ancient history huh? Sorry, didn't mean to tax your brain. FYI, we landed on the moon as well.



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MLK family wants to review all files before they are released to the public.
No surprise there. There is money attached to all things MLK.
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Guitarsoup said:

https://nypost.com/2025/01/24/us-news/martin-luther-king-jr-family-reacts-to-trump-executive-order-declassifying-fbi-files/

MLK family wants to review all files before they are released to the public.


Sorry. No.
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Guitarsoup said:

https://nypost.com/2025/01/24/us-news/martin-luther-king-jr-family-reacts-to-trump-executive-order-declassifying-fbi-files/

MLK family wants to review all files before they are released to the public.


Of course they do, they know they will obliterate his legacy.
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Nanomachines son said:

FriscoKid said:

I think MLK was 100% murdered by our government. JFK is less likely. But, let's drain the swamp. DC operates for us and not to control us. Trump is fighting a massive enemy right now.






MLK was a communist, serial adulterer, a false prophet, engaged gay orgies, and much more. He plagiarized his PhD and his speeches were written by his communist handlers. He was a subversive from the beginning. He was never a hero, never a good person, and never a Christian.

The odds of him being in Hell are extremely high.
He's been a heretic openly and blatantly from the beginning. How the Christian community celebrates a man who openly blasphemes core tenets of orthodox Christianity has always been a mystery to me. His moral character has always been in question, but hopefully declassifying documents will finally move the church away from celebrating this man as a saint.
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Krazykat said:

BCSWguru said:

I cannot keep up with what is happening its so fast.


Trump has done more in 72 hours than Biden did his entire 50+ year career in Congress and as President.



In other words, Trump just showed up.
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aggiehawg said:

TacosaurusRex said:

Hawg, I appreciate your quick response on the presidential happenings of the 60's. I think you might have got the replies mixed up though.
Point being, the one common denominator was LBJ being in the highest federal offices during that period.

Does that fact alone mean he was involved? No. But that also doesn't mean there should be no investigation nor questioning about the state of his mind and the question later made famous during Watergate of what did he know and when did he know it?

What did LBJ want that JFK, RFK, and MLK all railed against?

Hint: It wasn't a domestic issue…and it wound up being a huge money maker for some…
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hunter2012 said:




I've heard that the USSR leadership went into panic mode, and eagerly offered the USA all the info they had on Oswald.
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Burdizzo said:

Krazykat said:

BCSWguru said:

I cannot keep up with what is happening its so fast.


Trump has done more in 72 hours than Biden did his entire 50+ year career in Congress and as President.



In other words, Trump just showed up.
Trump waking up in the morning does more than biden ever did
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Duckhook said:

TacosaurusRex said:

Texas velvet maestro said:

TacosaurusRex said:

fullback44 said:

FriscoKid said:

I think MLK was 100% murdered by our government. JFK is less likely. But, let's drain the swamp. DC operates for us and not to control us. Trump is fighting a massive enemy right now.
Yes I would like to know why? Why take out someone like MLK? What was he doing that was so bad to piss them off? Just curious what MLK was up to? That was before my time
Communism
I'd like to see any evidence of this besides accusations or hearsay. I'm just saying that I've never seen or heard any evidence of this. I tend to to believe it was more about his general popularity and influence and effecting the status quo (riling up the Blacks).
Was LBJ already POTUS when MLK was killed? If so, I think the bolded part of your statement was enough of a reason for the decision makers as well.

Dude, you didn't take a history class anytime in school?
Johnson was President from 23 November 1963 to January 1969
(off the top of my head without searching)
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LMCane said:

Duckhook said:

TacosaurusRex said:

Texas velvet maestro said:

TacosaurusRex said:

fullback44 said:

FriscoKid said:

I think MLK was 100% murdered by our government. JFK is less likely. But, let's drain the swamp. DC operates for us and not to control us. Trump is fighting a massive enemy right now.
Yes I would like to know why? Why take out someone like MLK? What was he doing that was so bad to piss them off? Just curious what MLK was up to? That was before my time
Communism
I'd like to see any evidence of this besides accusations or hearsay. I'm just saying that I've never seen or heard any evidence of this. I tend to to believe it was more about his general popularity and influence and effecting the status quo (riling up the Blacks).
Was LBJ already POTUS when MLK was killed? If so, I think the bolded part of your statement was enough of a reason for the decision makers as well.

Dude, you didn't take a history class anytime in school?
Johnson was President from 23 November 1963 to January 1969
(off the top of my head without searching)


He took the oath on Nov 22 63
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Bob_Ag said:

Nanomachines son said:

FriscoKid said:

I think MLK was 100% murdered by our government. JFK is less likely. But, let's drain the swamp. DC operates for us and not to control us. Trump is fighting a massive enemy right now.






MLK was a communist, serial adulterer, a false prophet, engaged gay orgies, and much more. He plagiarized his PhD and his speeches were written by his communist handlers. He was a subversive from the beginning. He was never a hero, never a good person, and never a Christian.

The odds of him being in Hell are extremely high.
He's been a heretic openly and blatantly from the beginning. How the Christian community celebrates a man who openly blasphemes core tenets of orthodox Christianity has always been a mystery to me. His moral character has always been in question, but hopefully declassifying documents will finally move the church away from celebrating this man as a saint.


Yep. He openly did not believe in the Trinity. He's fully apostate.
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IMHO, the negative **** on MLK "has all the hallmarks of"FBI misinformation. Just like Trump and the Russian pee pee tapes.
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Guitarsoup said:

https://nypost.com/2025/01/24/us-news/martin-luther-king-jr-family-reacts-to-trump-executive-order-declassifying-fbi-files/

MLK family wants to review all files before they are released to the public.

So let them review them and then release them as scheduled. They don't get any edits.
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Anyone that wants their mind blown needs to read this book.

LBJ had his own sister killed. JFK was just a bump in the road

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Same old man who cracked the MLK case and the sinking of the USS Liberty also cracked JFK, huh?

What a savant.
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TXAggie2011 said:

Same old man who cracked the MLK case and the sinking of the USS Liberty also cracked JFK, huh?

What a savant.
Philip F. Nonly from Audiblen did all that?
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TXAggie2011 said:

Same old man who cracked the MLK case and the sinking of the USS Liberty also cracked JFK, huh?

What a savant.
Spoilers: LBJ did them all.

He also planned the Japanese bombing on Pearl Harbor and 9/11
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Explains why many of those leftist gays supported MLK and hated the Nation of Islam folks, since that cult is hardline morals and was anti communist.
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It would be hard to believe that most of what is released hasn't been sanitized or altered in such a was as to make it much of nothing. We can only hope.

This is gonna be a long post, so bear with me. TLDR: LHO in Mexico City, rife with contradictions, questions, and what did he really do and how was he able to? 60 years later things still very vague.

On the JFK deal one of the things that I find so nebulous and odd is that more attention isn't paid to LHO's time in Mexico City just before the assassination. For those of us from CDMX this has always been a thing of rumor, innuendo, and hushed theories. My mother was an American exchange student in CDMX starting in 1959/60, she eventually stayed there and finished college and married my father whose family 3rd generation or so Mexicans via British/Scotch/French expat status.

My mother related to me that during the late 50's and 60's CDMX, especially after the Cuban revolution, was a hotbed of international intrigue between the USSR/Cuba and the US. At the time there were quite a few American expats working and going to school down there and it was common to run into "people" in the community that seemed to dig into the personal side of things of that community. She also said that it was common for Russian or other eastern European folks to be around in social circles and there were lot of idealistic "societies" & "movements" and such led by what they termed beatnik folks.

Twice my mother was summoned to the US embassy on pretenses of "registering" or whatever it is that an American did when living abroad in those times and both times lots of questions were posed to her that were deeper than just an embassy concern type deal. In her student and then early adulthood circle of friends there was lots of pointing out of or speculation of CIA agents trying to fit in and mingle and also of people on the other side. My point in all of this is that the American government, the CIA in particular had a very active and wide spread presence in CDMX at this time.

In addition to the above the CIA had "assisted" the Mexicans in forming the "DFS", the MexGov Security Agency, and at the time had a litany of informers/agents in the Mexican government, 3 future presidents and at the time of the JFK assassination one of their top assets, a president to be, was head of "Gobernacion" which at the time was a large all encompassing segment of the Mexican government with a ton of power and which controlled the "DFS". Basically in the "spy vs. spy" of the 1960's the CIA ran the Mexican intelligence agency.

Now, here is LHO who manages to ride a bus from Nuevo Laredo to CDMX with no trouble at all, easy peasy. Something both my mother and father say was a risky big, biscuit eating, beetch to do in the 1960's and which was fraught with peril for a non Spanish speaking gringo for sure, most of the expats at that time either flew, rode the train, or drove, but no bus.

LHO is able to spend a few days in CDMX and calls on the Soviet embassy and Cuban consulate and meets and speaks with known commie agents. No problem at all. And he does all of this at a time when the "DFS" has extensive surveillance on all things commie in CDMX as well as having paid assets in both locations and both the "DFS" and the CIA have phone taps for both locations. His phone calls are recorded, but alas they are erased. The "DFS" was quick to pick up and interrogate and question possible foreign subversives or just questionable people, the agency scrutinized permanent visas and work permits in a big way, again my mother recounted the hassles of getting papers to live and work in CDMX.

And LHO just meanders down there knocks on commie doors, seeks visas, and catches a bullfight or two? Further he then proceeds to just return on home with no issues, apparently no problem crossing back into the US, even though the CIA and FBI had files on him. No worries at all.

What did he really do down there and how was he able to avoid immediate "DFS" scrutiny and obviously CIA scrutiny? LHO was able to do something that experienced residents were fearful of doing and not have any consequence whatsoever in doing so. How did that happen?

To me this segment of LHO is/was minimized and downplayed as nothing much, but when it is looked at it is yet again a glaring part of something so spectacularly coincidental that it is hard to fathom

A good summary of LHO in CDMX https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/oswald-the-cia-and-mexico-city/
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Interesting...
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Dang my Mama says that alligators are ornery because they got all them teeth but no toothbrush.
- waterboy

Sorry sir - no disrespect to your mother as what you wrote was a very interesting read indeed.


It's almost like they had to watch they people they knew weren't part of it just in case they became a part of it and the people that were a part of it they left alone because they already knew what they were going to do. I wonder what they would've asked your mother if she did run across a spy or someone on their radar? That would have been a surreal experience as well.

The attached document is even wilder as cia working in USA and fbi with Mexico field offices and neither one contacted each other.
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RGV AG said:

It would be hard to believe that most of what is released hasn't been sanitized or altered in such a was as to make it much of nothing. We can only hope.

This is gonna be a long post, so bear with me. TLDR: LHO in Mexico City, rife with contradictions, questions, and what did he really do and how was he able to? 60 years later things still very vague.

On the JFK deal one of the things that I find so nebulous and odd is that more attention isn't paid to LHO's time in Mexico City just before the assassination. For those of us from CDMX this has always been a thing of rumor, innuendo, and hushed theories. My mother was an American exchange student in CDMX starting in 1959/60, she eventually stayed there and finished college and married my father whose family 3rd generation or so Mexicans via British/Scotch/French expat status.

My mother related to me that during the late 50's and 60's CDMX, especially after the Cuban revolution, was a hotbed of international intrigue between the USSR/Cuba and the US. At the time there were quite a few American expats working and going to school down there and it was common to run into "people" in the community that seemed to dig into the personal side of things of that community. She also said that it was common for Russian or other eastern European folks to be around in social circles and there were lot of idealistic "societies" & "movements" and such led by what they termed beatnik folks.

Twice my mother was summoned to the US embassy on pretenses of "registering" or whatever it is that an American did when living abroad in those times and both times lots of questions were posed to her that were deeper than just an embassy concern type deal. In her student and then early adulthood circle of friends there was lots of pointing out of or speculation of CIA agents trying to fit in and mingle and also of people on the other side. My point in all of this is that the American government, the CIA in particular had a very active and wide spread presence in CDMX at this time.

In addition to the above the CIA had "assisted" the Mexicans in forming the "DFS", the MexGov Security Agency, and at the time had a litany of informers/agents in the Mexican government, 3 future presidents and at the time of the JFK assassination one of their top assets, a president to be, was head of "Gobernacion" which at the time was a large all encompassing segment of the Mexican government with a ton of power and which controlled the "DFS". Basically in the "spy vs. spy" of the 1960's the CIA ran the Mexican intelligence agency.

Now, here is LHO who manages to ride a bus from Nuevo Laredo to CDMX with no trouble at all, easy peasy. Something both my mother and father say was a risky big, biscuit eating, beetch to do in the 1960's and which was fraught with peril for a non Spanish speaking gringo for sure, most of the expats at that time either flew, rode the train, or drove, but no bus.

LHO is able to spend a few days in CDMX and calls on the Soviet embassy and Cuban consulate and meets and speaks with known commie agents. No problem at all. And he does all of this at a time when the "DFS" has extensive surveillance on all things commie in CDMX as well as having paid assets in both locations and both the "DFS" and the CIA have phone taps for both locations. His phone calls are recorded, but alas they are erased. The "DFS" was quick to pick up and interrogate and question possible foreign subversives or just questionable people, the agency scrutinized permanent visas and work permits in a big way, again my mother recounted the hassles of getting papers to live and work in CDMX.

And LHO just meanders down there knocks on commie doors, seeks visas, and catches a bullfight or two? Further he then proceeds to just return on home with no issues, apparently no problem crossing back into the US, even though the CIA and FBI had files on him. No worries at all.

What did he really do down there and how was he able to avoid immediate "DFS" scrutiny and obviously CIA scrutiny? LHO was able to do something that experienced residents were fearful of doing and not have any consequence whatsoever in doing so. How did that happen?

To me this segment of LHO is/was minimized and downplayed as nothing much, but when it is looked at it is yet again a glaring part of something so spectacularly coincidental that it is hard to fathom

A good summary of LHO in CDMX https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/oswald-the-cia-and-mexico-city/
LHO in Mexico City is definitely one of the most interesting and least documented thing, at least in public documents. I think that this release will have more about the CIA activities there, as you said there were a lot and a lot of them are pretty unknown.

It is not correct that LHO didn't speak Spanish. He took Spanish in school growing up and when he was in the Marines, he regularly tried to learn and practice Spanish with Nelson Delgado, who had the same MOS. They worked together and were both loners. Delgado's parents were both from PR, so he grew up and was fluent. LHO wasn't good at Spanish, but he tried (sounds similar to his Russian.)


I wasn't around in the 60s, but in the 80s and 90s it was never any big deal to cross the border either way. I doubt it was all that difficult for any American to just cross the border there. I don't think that is particularly suspicious.
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I'm telling you…Garrison was probably closer to the truth than most realize/want to admit…

He surmised that LHO was likely CIA, and he was set up to be left holding the bag when the smoke cleared…
 
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