Rockdoc said:

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Anything vaccine related, you need to sit out.

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I stand with president trump.

jt2hunt said:

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many

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Name them.

OPAG said:

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'Jaw-dropping' Study Finds Vaccinated Children Have 170% Higher Risk of Autism

The peer-reviewed study also found that vaccinated children had a 212% greater likelihood of developing other neurodevelopmental disorders, including ADHD, epilepsy/seizures, brain inflammation and tic and learning disorders.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/study-vaccinated-children-autism-risk-increase/

Here is the link to the study:

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https://publichealthpolicyjournal.com/vaccination-and-neurodevelopmental-disorders-a-study-of-nine-year-old-children-enrolled-in-medicaid/

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Don't waste your time with Tesla and the other dude that pipes in. They won't look at any of your stuff. They'll nitpick your grammar if they have to to discredit you. Just ignore and move on.

Tesla turned in people for having fake vax cards.. that's how sold that dude is.

If you have to lie about what people have done your arguments are probably terrible

Woods Ag said:

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OPAG said:

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'Jaw-dropping' Study Finds Vaccinated Children Have 170% Higher Risk of Autism

The peer-reviewed study also found that vaccinated children had a 212% greater likelihood of developing other neurodevelopmental disorders, including ADHD, epilepsy/seizures, brain inflammation and tic and learning disorders.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/study-vaccinated-children-autism-risk-increase/

Here is the link to the study:

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https://publichealthpolicyjournal.com/vaccination-and-neurodevelopmental-disorders-a-study-of-nine-year-old-children-enrolled-in-medicaid/

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Don't waste your time with Tesla and the other dude that pipes in. They won't look at any of your stuff. They'll nitpick your grammar if they have to to discredit you. Just ignore and move on.

Tesla turned in people for having fake vax cards.. that's how sold that dude is.

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Stop being stupid.

I haven't lied about a thing.

p_bubel said:

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Woods Ag said:

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OPAG said:

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'Jaw-dropping' Study Finds Vaccinated Children Have 170% Higher Risk of Autism

The peer-reviewed study also found that vaccinated children had a 212% greater likelihood of developing other neurodevelopmental disorders, including ADHD, epilepsy/seizures, brain inflammation and tic and learning disorders.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/study-vaccinated-children-autism-risk-increase/

Here is the link to the study:

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https://publichealthpolicyjournal.com/vaccination-and-neurodevelopmental-disorders-a-study-of-nine-year-old-children-enrolled-in-medicaid/

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Don't waste your time with Tesla and the other dude that pipes in. They won't look at any of your stuff. They'll nitpick your grammar if they have to to discredit you. Just ignore and move on.

Tesla turned in people for having fake vax cards.. that's how sold that dude is.

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Stop being stupid.

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Mods deleted my response. But you can guess.

Teslag said:

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Yes, the HPV vaccine that went through 7 years of testing prior to approval and has been around for almost 25 years now?

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Yes, the one that has caused many injuries and deaths and is the subject of multiple lawsuits for fraudulent safety and efficacy trials.

jt2hunt said:

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The amount of vaccines have skyrocketed since the Reagan administration.

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So have the number and types of antibiotics, chemotherapy regimens and biologics and they have driven down the morality for all the diseases in which are designed to treat.

I cannot for the life of me understand what point those who say this sort of thing think they are making.

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Teslag said:

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Other than Covid, which Trump said would be safe, effective and free, which vaccine was "rushed through"?

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Ever hear of Gardasil?

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The rate of serious reactions to Gardasil is between 1.5 and 1.9 per 100,000 doses, depending on whose data you choose to cite.

For reference, that's a lower risk of a severe adverse event than virtually every medication you've ever taken including some OTCs. And exponentially lower than every antibiotic you've ever taken.

Trump turned people in for fake cards? Damn I didn't know that. Interesting

backintexas2013 said:

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Trump turned people in for fake cards? Damn I didn't know that. Interesting

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He didn't and neither did I

Infection_Ag11 said:

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jt2hunt said:

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The amount of vaccines have skyrocketed since the Reagan administration.

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So have the number and types of antibiotics, chemotherapy regimens and biologics and they have driven down the morality for all the diseases in which are designed to treat.

I cannot for the life of me understand what point those who say this sort of thing think they are making.

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I think their point is that if any medication has adverse side affects or possible rare side affects, it is inherently negative and unsafe on the whole.

Which is insane.

Teslag said:

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I think their point is that if any medication has adverse side affects or possible rare side affects, it is inherently negative and unsafe on the whole.

Which is insane.

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It's just not fair that their world is not absolutely perfect. Oh, the inhumanity!

But it's not that. It's looking at the number of autism cases and the correlation and asking questions. The problem is that there is a huge contingent that want to close their eyes, stamp their feet, and say it's all make believe.

It's not make believe and you just embolden people when you do that.

I have less of a dog in that fight, but I understand it bc it's what happened with the Covid vax

Darwin

Woods Ag said:

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But it's not that. It's looking at the number of autism cases and the correlation and asking questions. The problem is that there is a huge contingent that want to close their eyes, stamp their feet, and say it's all make believe.

It's not make believe and you just embolden people when you do that.

I have less of a dog in that fight, but I understand it bc it's what happened with the Covid vax

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It's not all make believe, we are diagnosing more autism cases. And it's largely due to changes in provider knowledge and diagnostic criteria. Autism criteria have become significantly more inclusive as the years have gone on, and far more providers (particularly pediatricians and developmental psychologists) are recognizing the signs and having kids checked for it.

ASD has always been extremely common. It represents a very broad swath of neurodivergent people. It's just that for nearly all of human history the extremely mild cases were just seen as the extreme end of "normal". Your quirky aunt wasn't autistic or abnormal, she was just eccentric.

Infection_Ag11 said:

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Woods Ag said:

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But it's not that. It's looking at the number of autism cases and the correlation and asking questions. The problem is that there is a huge contingent that want to close their eyes, stamp their feet, and say it's all make believe.

It's not make believe and you just embolden people when you do that.

I have less of a dog in that fight, but I understand it bc it's what happened with the Covid vax

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It's not all make believe, we are diagnosing more autism cases. And it's largely due to changes in provider knowledge and diagnostic criteria. Autism criteria have become significantly more inclusive as the years have gone on, and far more providers (particularly pediatricians and developmental psychologists) are recognizing the signs and having kids checked for it.

ASD has always been extremely common. It represents a very broad swath of neurodivergent people. It's just that for nearly all of human history the extremely mild cases were just seen as the extreme end of "normal". Your quirky aunt wasn't autistic or abnormal, she was just eccentric.

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I also believe there are some attention-craving inviduals out there who will seek out a diagnosis of "on the spectrum" in order to rationalize traditionally unacceptable social behavior.

I am not dismissing those individuals are truly neuro-divergent (or whatever the current term is). My nephew was diagnosed with Aspberger's in his youth, and as a 20something adult he is fully functional just very socially awkward. My wife and I attended a dinner party not long ago, and one of the other guests was a dad of our son's friend. He had always been socially awkward as a kid, and was diagnosed as an adult with Turrette's. While he never blurted out anything inappropriate during the party, he would ramble these long stream of consciousness stories while rapidly blinking his eyes and not making eye-contact with anyone. Exactly like my nephew.

And then we had the Scout mom who swore up and down her Scout son was autistic. When we worked with him one-on-one he seemed like a normal kid, although a little shy. When his mom was around he would clam up tight and crawl into a shell. If you asked him a question, he wouldn't answer without glancing at his mother. I came to suspect he was not autistic but that his mother was emotionally abusing him and that her autism claim was her cover story.

Infection_Ag11 said:

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Woods Ag said:

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But it's not that. It's looking at the number of autism cases and the correlation and asking questions. The problem is that there is a huge contingent that want to close their eyes, stamp their feet, and say it's all make believe.

It's not make believe and you just embolden people when you do that.

I have less of a dog in that fight, but I understand it bc it's what happened with the Covid vax

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It's not all make believe, we are diagnosing more autism cases. And it's largely due to changes in provider knowledge and diagnostic criteria. Autism criteria have become significantly more inclusive as the years have gone on, and far more providers (particularly pediatricians and developmental psychologists) are recognizing the signs and having kids checked for it.

ASD has always been extremely common. It represents a very broad swath of neurodivergent people. It's just that for nearly all of human history the extremely mild cases were just seen as the extreme end of "normal". Your quirky aunt wasn't autistic or abnormal, she was just eccentric.

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There's no doubt that that is at least part of it. Especially in recent years. Maybe a large part of it. It's become the thing to do to look for something wrong with you or with your children to explain why you have it harder than others.

This is a huge issue. The health of our population and not wanting to cause irreparable harm to our kids. Both sides of this arguement can agree on that. Neither wants to harm their kids. We want what's best for them, so there should be multiple extensicd independent studies done. There seems one side that wants that and another side that wants to say "it's science" like science is irrefutable and then demonize those that are concerned as stupid, conspiracy theorist.That's such nonsense. There are incredibly smart people and idiots on both sides just as there are in the political parties.

We stretched our kids vax schedule out and did not give them the 3rd round of Hep B vaccines. Can't remember the others (mainly my wife's area of focus) They would have gotten the first round if we had looked into before hand. Hell, the first doc wanted to redo all the vaccines on our adopted kid just to be sure he got them even though his adoption paperwork shows everything he's gotten.

No need for Hel B for a kid. He's not sharing needles and they won't be in a situation where they'll be having sex. We can traverse that mountain when they're older.

Edit: excuse the spelling errors

Infection_Ag11 said:

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Woods Ag said:

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But it's not that. It's looking at the number of autism cases and the correlation and asking questions. The problem is that there is a huge contingent that want to close their eyes, stamp their feet, and say it's all make believe.

It's not make believe and you just embolden people when you do that.

I have less of a dog in that fight, but I understand it bc it's what happened with the Covid vax

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It's not all make believe, we are diagnosing more autism cases. And it's largely due to changes in provider knowledge and diagnostic criteria. Autism criteria have become significantly more inclusive as the years have gone on, and far more providers (particularly pediatricians and developmental psychologists) are recognizing the signs and having kids checked for it.

ASD has always been extremely common. It represents a very broad swath of neurodivergent people. It's just that for nearly all of human history the extremely mild cases were just seen as the extreme end of "normal". Your quirky aunt wasn't autistic or abnormal, she was just eccentric.

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I jokingly told one expectant mother that the increase in autism is accompanied by an increased change to disposable diapers from cloth diapers.

She's not convinced that she needs to use cloth diapers just in case there is a connection between the two.

I don't think that she caught the point I wanted to make that two somewhat similar patters are more likely to just be casual and coincidental than causal.

Burdizzo said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Woods Ag said:

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But it's not that. It's looking at the number of autism cases and the correlation and asking questions. The problem is that there is a huge contingent that want to close their eyes, stamp their feet, and say it's all make believe.

It's not make believe and you just embolden people when you do that.

I have less of a dog in that fight, but I understand it bc it's what happened with the Covid vax

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It's not all make believe, we are diagnosing more autism cases. And it's largely due to changes in provider knowledge and diagnostic criteria. Autism criteria have become significantly more inclusive as the years have gone on, and far more providers (particularly pediatricians and developmental psychologists) are recognizing the signs and having kids checked for it.

ASD has always been extremely common. It represents a very broad swath of neurodivergent people. It's just that for nearly all of human history the extremely mild cases were just seen as the extreme end of "normal". Your quirky aunt wasn't autistic or abnormal, she was just eccentric.

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I also believe there are some attention-craving inviduals out there who will seek out a diagnosis of "on the spectrum" in order to rationalize traditionally unacceptable social behavior.

I am not dismissing those individuals are truly neuro-divergent (or whatever the current term is). My nephew was diagnosed with Aspberger's in his youth, and as a 20something adult he is fully functional just very socially awkward. My wife and I attended a dinner party not long ago, and one of the other guests was a dad of our son's friend. He had always been socially awkward as a kid, and was diagnosed as an adult with Turrette's. While he never blurted out anything inappropriate during the party, he would ramble these long stream of consciousness stories while rapidly blinking his eyes and not making eye-contact with anyone. Exactly like my nephew.

And then we had the Scout mom who swore up and down her Scout son was autistic. When we worked with him one-on-one he seemed like a normal kid, although a little shy. When his mom was around he would clam up tight and crawl into a shell. If you asked him a question, he wouldn't answer without glancing at his mother. I came to suspect he was not autistic but that his mother was emotionally abusing him and that her autism claim was her cover story.

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It's absolutely over diagnosed, just like ADHD. Not to that extreme as ADHD criteria easily allow for many normal young boys to be grouped in, but there are lots of people with personality disorders and unique personality quirks that get incorrectly labeled as autistic.

Nobody is "weird" anymore.

There's too many "labels" these days.
Everyone wants a label especially when it enables their perceived disability and victimhood.

TexasAggie73 said:

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The antivaxers have been around a lot longer than Covid. It didn't help when a doctor sent out an article that vaccines caused autism. He was later proven wrong and his medical license was revoked.

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And the new head of the HHS is his successor (except without a medical degree)

Infection_Ag11 said:

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Woods Ag said:

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But it's not that. It's looking at the number of autism cases and the correlation and asking questions. The problem is that there is a huge contingent that want to close their eyes, stamp their feet, and say it's all make believe.

It's not make believe and you just embolden people when you do that.

I have less of a dog in that fight, but I understand it bc it's what happened with the Covid vax

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It's not all make believe, we are diagnosing more autism cases. And it's largely due to changes in provider knowledge and diagnostic criteria. Autism criteria have become significantly more inclusive as the years have gone on, and far more providers (particularly pediatricians and developmental psychologists) are recognizing the signs and having kids checked for it.

ASD has always been extremely common. It represents a very broad swath of neurodivergent people. It's just that for nearly all of human history the extremely mild cases were just seen as the extreme end of "normal". Your quirky aunt wasn't autistic or abnormal, she was just eccentric.

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A boomer peds doc told me "autism didn't exist 40 years ago because those kids just ended up bullied and shoved into lockers, not forced into a doctors office"

OPAG said:

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'Jaw-dropping' Study Finds Vaccinated Children Have 170% Higher Risk of Autism

The peer-reviewed study also found that vaccinated children had a 212% greater likelihood of developing other neurodevelopmental disorders, including ADHD, epilepsy/seizures, brain inflammation and tic and learning disorders.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/study-vaccinated-children-autism-risk-increase/

Here is the link to the study:

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https://publichealthpolicyjournal.com/vaccination-and-neurodevelopmental-disorders-a-study-of-nine-year-old-children-enrolled-in-medicaid/

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I sure hope you read the study because the reporting bias is insane on this one.

https://publichealthpolicyjournal.com/vaccination-and-neurodevelopmental-disorders-a-study-of-nine-year-old-children-enrolled-in-medicaid/


From the article:
This uncertainty led the present authors to undertake such a comparison, based on mothers' anonymous responses to an online survey [19,20] that included questions on pregnancy-related exposures, birth history, vaccinations, physician-diagnosed illnesses, medications, and the use of health services. A sample of 666 children was obtained, of which 261 (39%) were unvaccinated


So an anonymous survey of 666 kids with 40% unvaccinated showed vaccines cause autism. My anecdotal experience of 25 years of Pediatrics with many unvaccinated autistic patients makes me laugh at this incredibly poor article that only serves to leave vulnerable children open to infectious diseases due to parental anxiety disorder.

whytho987654 said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Woods Ag said:

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But it's not that. It's looking at the number of autism cases and the correlation and asking questions. The problem is that there is a huge contingent that want to close their eyes, stamp their feet, and say it's all make believe.

It's not make believe and you just embolden people when you do that.

I have less of a dog in that fight, but I understand it bc it's what happened with the Covid vax

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It's not all make believe, we are diagnosing more autism cases. And it's largely due to changes in provider knowledge and diagnostic criteria. Autism criteria have become significantly more inclusive as the years have gone on, and far more providers (particularly pediatricians and developmental psychologists) are recognizing the signs and having kids checked for it.

ASD has always been extremely common. It represents a very broad swath of neurodivergent people. It's just that for nearly all of human history the extremely mild cases were just seen as the extreme end of "normal". Your quirky aunt wasn't autistic or abnormal, she was just eccentric.

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A boomer peds doc told me "autism didn't exist 40 years ago because those kids just ended up bullied and shoved into lockers, not forced into a doctors office"

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Since the advent of tic toc I've seen a huge increase of teen introverts who want to be labeled autistic. Let's look at dsm 5 criteria for autism.

criteria for autism dsm 5

The DSM-5 diagnostic criteria for Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) are as follows:

1. **[Persistent deficits in social communication and interaction](pplx://action/followup)** across multiple contexts, as evidenced by all of the following:
- Deficits in social-emotional reciprocity (e.g., abnormal social approach, failure of back-and-forth conversation).
- Deficits in nonverbal communicative behaviors (e.g., poor eye contact, lack of gestures).
- Deficits in developing, maintaining, and understanding relationships (e.g., difficulty adjusting to social contexts, lack of interest in peers)[2][5][6].

2. **[Restricted, repetitive patterns of behavior, interests, or activities](pplx://action/followup)**, as shown by at least two of the following:
- Stereotyped or repetitive movements, speech, or use of objects.
- Insistence on sameness or inflexible adherence to routines.
- Highly restricted, fixated interests.
- Hyper- or hypo-reactivity to sensory input[2][3][7].

3. **[Symptoms must be present in early developmental periods](pplx://action/followup)**, though they may not fully manifest until later due to social demands[1][4].

4. **[Symptoms cause significant impairment](pplx://action/followup)** in social, occupational, or other areas of functioning[1][7].

5. **[Symptoms are not better explained by intellectual disability](pplx://action/followup)** or global developmental delay[1][6].

Citations:
[1] Criteria and tools used in an autism assessment https://www.autism.org.uk/advice-and-guidance/topics/diagnosis/assessment-and-diagnosis/criteria-and-tools-used-in-an-autism-assessment
[2] Autism diagnostic criteria: DSM-5 https://www.autismspeaks.org/autism-diagnostic-criteria-dsm-5
[3] DSM-5 Criteria for Autism Explained (In Picture Form) https://neurodivergentinsights.com/autism/dsm-5-criteria-for-autism-explained-in-picture-form/
[4] DSM-5-TR and autism diagnosis | Raising Children Network https://raisingchildren.net.au/autism/learning-about-autism/assessment-diagnosis/dsm-5-autism-diagnosis
[5] Clinical Testing and Diagnosis for Autism Spectrum Disorder - CDC https://www.cdc.gov/autism/hcp/diagnosis/index.html
[6] Diagnostic Criteria for Autism Spectrum Disorder in the DSM-5 https://www.research.chop.edu/car-autism-roadmap/diagnostic-criteria-for-autism-spectrum-disorder-in-the-dsm-5
[7] DSM-5 criteria for autism spectrum disorder maximizes diagnostic ... https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6713264/
[8] IACC Subcommittee Diagnostic Criteria - DSM-5 Planning Group https://iacc.hhs.gov/about-iacc/subcommittees/resources/dsm5-diagnostic-criteria.shtml


NONE of the patients meet criteria #3 yet they want their shy introverted kids diagnosed autistic. It is nuts.

KidDoc said:

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whytho987654 said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Woods Ag said:

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But it's not that. It's looking at the number of autism cases and the correlation and asking questions. The problem is that there is a huge contingent that want to close their eyes, stamp their feet, and say it's all make believe.

It's not make believe and you just embolden people when you do that.

I have less of a dog in that fight, but I understand it bc it's what happened with the Covid vax

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It's not all make believe, we are diagnosing more autism cases. And it's largely due to changes in provider knowledge and diagnostic criteria. Autism criteria have become significantly more inclusive as the years have gone on, and far more providers (particularly pediatricians and developmental psychologists) are recognizing the signs and having kids checked for it.

ASD has always been extremely common. It represents a very broad swath of neurodivergent people. It's just that for nearly all of human history the extremely mild cases were just seen as the extreme end of "normal". Your quirky aunt wasn't autistic or abnormal, she was just eccentric.

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A boomer peds doc told me "autism didn't exist 40 years ago because those kids just ended up bullied and shoved into lockers, not forced into a doctors office"

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Since the advent of tic toc I've seen a huge increase of teen introverts who want to be labeled autistic. Let's look at dsm 5 criteria for autism.

criteria for autism dsm 5

The DSM-5 diagnostic criteria for Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) are as follows:

1. **[Persistent deficits in social communication and interaction](pplx://action/followup)** across multiple contexts, as evidenced by all of the following:
- Deficits in social-emotional reciprocity (e.g., abnormal social approach, failure of back-and-forth conversation).
- Deficits in nonverbal communicative behaviors (e.g., poor eye contact, lack of gestures).
- Deficits in developing, maintaining, and understanding relationships (e.g., difficulty adjusting to social contexts, lack of interest in peers)[2][5][6].

2. **[Restricted, repetitive patterns of behavior, interests, or activities](pplx://action/followup)**, as shown by at least two of the following:
- Stereotyped or repetitive movements, speech, or use of objects.
- Insistence on sameness or inflexible adherence to routines.
- Highly restricted, fixated interests.
- Hyper- or hypo-reactivity to sensory input[2][3][7].

3. **[Symptoms must be present in early developmental periods](pplx://action/followup)**, though they may not fully manifest until later due to social demands[1][4].

4. **[Symptoms cause significant impairment](pplx://action/followup)** in social, occupational, or other areas of functioning[1][7].

5. **[Symptoms are not better explained by intellectual disability](pplx://action/followup)** or global developmental delay[1][6].

Citations:
[1] Criteria and tools used in an autism assessment https://www.autism.org.uk/advice-and-guidance/topics/diagnosis/assessment-and-diagnosis/criteria-and-tools-used-in-an-autism-assessment
[2] Autism diagnostic criteria: DSM-5 https://www.autismspeaks.org/autism-diagnostic-criteria-dsm-5
[3] DSM-5 Criteria for Autism Explained (In Picture Form) https://neurodivergentinsights.com/autism/dsm-5-criteria-for-autism-explained-in-picture-form/
[4] DSM-5-TR and autism diagnosis | Raising Children Network https://raisingchildren.net.au/autism/learning-about-autism/assessment-diagnosis/dsm-5-autism-diagnosis
[5] Clinical Testing and Diagnosis for Autism Spectrum Disorder - CDC https://www.cdc.gov/autism/hcp/diagnosis/index.html
[6] Diagnostic Criteria for Autism Spectrum Disorder in the DSM-5 https://www.research.chop.edu/car-autism-roadmap/diagnostic-criteria-for-autism-spectrum-disorder-in-the-dsm-5
[7] DSM-5 criteria for autism spectrum disorder maximizes diagnostic ... https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6713264/
[8] IACC Subcommittee Diagnostic Criteria - DSM-5 Planning Group https://iacc.hhs.gov/about-iacc/subcommittees/resources/dsm5-diagnostic-criteria.shtml


NONE of the patients meet criteria #3 yet they want their shy introverted kids diagnosed autistic. It is nuts.

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Its "cool" now. Look at all the NPs opening up "psyc" cash pay clinics and practicing malpractice on a daily basis by going along with these "diagnosis"

rjhtamu said:

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There's too many "labels" these days.
Everyone wants a label especially when it enables their perceived disability and victimhood.

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Weve become proud of being losers, except now the word loser just has a bunch of fancy titles

Anything linked from children's defense fund is going to be on the level of gateway pundit or mother Jones garbage.