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Last month, President Trump declared Joe Biden's autopen pardons invalid.

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Why no arrests of these people?

R8ght after he jails Hillary and releases the jfk files...

Im Gipper said:

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FatZilla said:

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aggiez03 said:

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How would anyone know this and how would it be proven?

Sounds like another theory...

Why would this guy want to pardon Biden's family?

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Pretty simple, handwriting samples from biden vs the ones on the legal documents.

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That does no good when an auto-pen is used.

Keep cracking Dr Holmes.

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Do they use auto-pen for pardons? Or are they supposed to?

Don't know, just curious.

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techno-ag said:

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🚨 BREAKING (not really though)

Fmr. President Joe Biden did NOT sign a single pardon in his entire presidency.

Everything that was signed allegedly by him was signed by Jeffrey Zients.

ANYTHING and EVERYTHING signed by him should be invalid and investigated by the DOJ. pic.twitter.com/KdRG1450GQ

— Liberal Tear Creator™ (@LibTearCreator1) March 7, 2025

Devastating if true. It's one of those things that SHOULD be far fetched but with how much the Biden Administration tried to snow the American people about how he was always "sharp as a tack," etc. … it's perfectly reasonable to presume there might be some truth to this.

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Prob sit one out this weekend gramps

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This one still cracks me up.

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Im Gipper said:

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Last month, President Trump declared Joe Biden's autopen pardons invalid.

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Why no arrests of these people?

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Probably trying to determine if the pardons are indeed invalid. Will more than likely end up in court, as usual.

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Spoiler alert!!!!



No pardon is going to be undone.

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WestHoustonAg79 said:

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techno-ag said:

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🚨 BREAKING (not really though)

Fmr. President Joe Biden did NOT sign a single pardon in his entire presidency.

Everything that was signed allegedly by him was signed by Jeffrey Zients.

ANYTHING and EVERYTHING signed by him should be invalid and investigated by the DOJ. pic.twitter.com/KdRG1450GQ

— Liberal Tear Creator™ (@LibTearCreator1) March 7, 2025

Devastating if true. It's one of those things that SHOULD be far fetched but with how much the Biden Administration tried to snow the American people about how he was always "sharp as a tack," etc. … it's perfectly reasonable to presume there might be some truth to this.

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Prob sit one out this weekend gramps

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This one still cracks me up.

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I've been confused at your gloating over a perceived win here. Did Jeff Ziets really sign all the pardons? That was what I was jabbing at you about.

I would assume 95%+ posters on here, including myself, know Joe was a puppet and not fit for office. But you posted about a major allegation of a sitting presidents chief of staff caught signing all last minute presidential pardons.

I told you to sit down bc that would be high profile news if it was able to be proven, and specifically one executor.

The implication was this was unproven. But it showed on X we are the journalists now.

So the autopen wielder was part of stealing 2020 election?

Whoever had control of the "AUTOPEN" is looking to be a bigger and bigger scandal by the moment. It is a major part of the real crime, THAT THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION OF 2020 WAS RIGGED AND STOLEN! Millions and millions of people knew that, but the Radical Left Democrats waged a…

— Trump Posts on 𝕏 (@trump_repost) May 17, 2025

The post pretty clearly focuses it on the coverup aspect of 2020.

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Time to get some people testifying under oath

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Going to be a challenge to get around Executive Privilege on any testimony.

Someone has to flip.

Jazmine Crocket says the dems are going to run the safest white guy they can find in 2028. and she doesn't seem upset by that.

Trump says that Schumer has lost his confidence and is off his game.

I keep seeing that Trump is underwater in polling, but he keeps having days like Friday and seems to keep rolling along..

There is a meme out there about the dems greatest fear being Trump really making America great again.

This all in addition to all the matters mentioned in this thread.

Looking forward to seeing how all this shakes out.

Im Gipper said:

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Time to get some people testifying under oath

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Yes indeed. Looks like this goes much deeper than initially believed.

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Some of us have been using Biden* for the past 4 years. I'm not sure about you, but I've believed president exclusive decisions were being made for him the entire time.

One other thing, the photos of Rosie ODonnell and Ellen degenerate in the meme thread are basic late 60s ugly, but that photo of Kathy Griffin is omg scary. Is she made up for a role in the walking dead or is that really how she looks these days. That's hideous.

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Im Gipper said:

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FatZilla said:

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aggiez03 said:

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How would anyone know this and how would it be proven?

Sounds like another theory...

Why would this guy want to pardon Biden's family?

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Pretty simple, handwriting samples from biden vs the ones on the legal documents.

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That does no good when an auto-pen is used.

Keep cracking Dr Holmes.

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Do they use auto-pen for pardons? Or are they supposed to?

Don't know, just curious.

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From what I understand the signatures look identical thus indicating an autopen. The inference is Hidin' Biden was too mentally incompetent to sign the pardons. Therefore the whole thing is a sham, the pardons aren't valid and someone violated some laws.

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Comer's investigation into potential autopen-signed pardons is a huge waste of time and will be a massive waste of resources. The Constitution gives plenary power of the pardon to the President. It doesn't specify how it must be signed. Heck, in the early-mid 2000s, even President Bush supported using an autopen to sign bills. Undoing anything signed by an autopen would have consequences beyond just these pardons.

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One other thing, the photos of Rosie ODonnell and Ellen degenerate in the meme thread are basic late 60s ugly, but that photo of Kathy Griffin is omg scary. Is she made up for a role in the walking dead or is that really how she looks these days. That's hideous.

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All three of them are ugly inside, hate themselves for a variety of reasons, and that manifests itself to their outward appearance.

When you have no faith in your life and are consumed with hate all the time I'm not surprised they've aged the way they have.

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techno-ag said:

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Im Gipper said:

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FatZilla said:

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aggiez03 said:

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How would anyone know this and how would it be proven?

Sounds like another theory...

Why would this guy want to pardon Biden's family?

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Pretty simple, handwriting samples from biden vs the ones on the legal documents.

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That does no good when an auto-pen is used.

Keep cracking Dr Holmes.

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Do they use auto-pen for pardons? Or are they supposed to?

Don't know, just curious.

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From what I understand the signatures look identical thus indicating an autopen. The inference is Hidin' Biden was too mentally incompetent to sign the pardons. Therefore the whole thing is a sham, the pardons aren't valid and someone violated some laws.

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Comer's investigation into potential autopen-signed pardons is a huge ward of time and will be a massive waste of resources. The Constitution gives plenary power of the pardon to the President. It doesn't specify how it must be signed. Heck, in the early-mid 2000s, even President Bush supported using an autopen to sign bills. Undoing anything signed by an autopen would have consequences beyond just these pardons.

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techno-ag said:

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TA-OP said:

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techno-ag said:

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Ag with kids said:

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Im Gipper said:

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FatZilla said:

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aggiez03 said:

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How would anyone know this and how would it be proven?

Sounds like another theory...

Why would this guy want to pardon Biden's family?

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Pretty simple, handwriting samples from biden vs the ones on the legal documents.

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That does no good when an auto-pen is used.

Keep cracking Dr Holmes.

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Do they use auto-pen for pardons? Or are they supposed to?

Don't know, just curious.

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From what I understand the signatures look identical thus indicating an autopen. The inference is Hidin' Biden was too mentally incompetent to sign the pardons. Therefore the whole thing is a sham, the pardons aren't valid and someone violated some laws.

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Comer's investigation into potential autopen-signed pardons is a huge ward of time and will be a massive waste of resources. The Constitution gives plenary power of the pardon to the President. It doesn't specify how it must be signed. Heck, in the early-mid 2000s, even President Bush supported using an autopen to sign bills. Undoing anything signed by an autopen would have consequences beyond just these pardons.

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Okay then, rather than meme why don't you actually engage with an actual response? I wrote nothing false. Fact check me if you wish.

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What if Biden didn't authorize or instruct the auto pen be used? Then what?

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I concede that the validity of the pardons is reliant on Presidential intent, but stand by saying using an autopen is perfectly fine. In fact, there was a bill originating from a House Republican earlier this year that would require a physical signature on pardons, suggesting they know autopen usage does not violate the Constitution.

However, there are checks on using an autopen to ensure intent. The DOJ is a big check and I highly doubt AG Bondi would keep quiet about any wrong doing. So, all we have now is President Trump and other MAGAs bloviating without having any evidence or basis.

Im Gipper said:

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What if Biden didn't authorize or instruct the auto pen be used? Then what?

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Who would know? Unless it is the person using it without permission? They won't incriminate themselves.

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techno-ag said:

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Ag with kids said:

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Im Gipper said:

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FatZilla said:

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aggiez03 said:

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How would anyone know this and how would it be proven?

Sounds like another theory...

Why would this guy want to pardon Biden's family?

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Pretty simple, handwriting samples from biden vs the ones on the legal documents.

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That does no good when an auto-pen is used.

Keep cracking Dr Holmes.

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Do they use auto-pen for pardons? Or are they supposed to?

Don't know, just curious.

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From what I understand the signatures look identical thus indicating an autopen. The inference is Hidin' Biden was too mentally incompetent to sign the pardons. Therefore the whole thing is a sham, the pardons aren't valid and someone violated some laws.

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Comer's investigation into potential autopen-signed pardons is a huge waste of time and will be a massive waste of resources. The Constitution gives plenary power of the pardon to the President. It doesn't specify how it must be signed. Heck, in the early-mid 2000s, even President Bush supported using an autopen to sign bills. Undoing anything signed by an autopen would have consequences beyond just these pardons.

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LoL, it doesn't state how it will be signed because it was assumed the President's hand would sign it since they didnt have autopen at the time. Acting like the constitution allows someone else to sign something the president didn't approve because it doesn't specifically state that his hand must sign it is idiotic.

I think this could get increasingly tricky for Trump.

He has actually done work to strengthen the Executive particularly with immunity and now with nationwide injunctions and the like.

But hear me out… if they want to actually get to the bottom of Biden's mental fitness then you have to throw aside much of the Executive Privilege protections and then get into a POTUS's many delegations of authority with the auto pen and further debating the intent of POTUS in decisions vs what they said or did?

Prosecuting Team Biden on this to the fullest extent could very quickly turn back around on Trump.

Tl;dr What the Dems have done over the past decade with these shenanigans is very likely the severe threat to democracy they accuse Trump of.

It's disgusting, treasonous behavior.

Logos Stick said:

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TA-OP said:

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techno-ag said:

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Ag with kids said:

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Im Gipper said:

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FatZilla said:

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aggiez03 said:

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How would anyone know this and how would it be proven?

Sounds like another theory...

Why would this guy want to pardon Biden's family?

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Pretty simple, handwriting samples from biden vs the ones on the legal documents.

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That does no good when an auto-pen is used.

Keep cracking Dr Holmes.

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Do they use auto-pen for pardons? Or are they supposed to?

Don't know, just curious.

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From what I understand the signatures look identical thus indicating an autopen. The inference is Hidin' Biden was too mentally incompetent to sign the pardons. Therefore the whole thing is a sham, the pardons aren't valid and someone violated some laws.

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Comer's investigation into potential autopen-signed pardons is a huge waste of time and will be a massive waste of resources. The Constitution gives plenary power of the pardon to the President. It doesn't specify how it must be signed. Heck, in the early-mid 2000s, even President Bush supported using an autopen to sign bills. Undoing anything signed by an autopen would have consequences beyond just these pardons.

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LoL, it doesn't state how it will be signed because it was assumed the President's hand would sign it since they didnt have autopen at the time. Acting like the constitution allows someone else to sign something the president didn't approve because it doesn't specifically state that his hand must sign it is idiotic.

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Despite your feelings on the issue, what I wrote is accurate. I extensively studied Harry Truman as a child and can confidently say he was the first to use an autopen, but only in personal correspondence, not on legislation. Some research says the DOJ circulated a memo during the younger President Bush's term stating that using an autopen on legislation was acceptable, though it looks like President Obama was the first to use it on legislation with The Patriot Act. So, my statement that undoing anything signed by an autopen would have consequences beyond these pardons holds true.

Now, regarding my take that the Constitution does not specify how something must be signed, many Constitutional scholars say the same thing. Sure, the practice can be brought before the courts, but I don't think using the argument that the writers don't envision some sort of automated signing instrument holds up. Thomas Jefferson used a polygraph, a precursor to the autopen. Therefore, there is evidence that the founders knew of the potential technology. They didn't envision automatic weapons. That doesn't mean I think we should round up all the guns.

The constitution says Bills have to be signed. No such language for Pardons.


Then there's this:

Ladies and Gentlemen,

The Autopen…… pic.twitter.com/kt0xJSGfGf

— Spitfire (@DogRightGirl) May 17, 2025

Perhaps not literally, but for all intents and purposes?

TA-OP said:

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techno-ag said:

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Ag with kids said:

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Im Gipper said:

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FatZilla said:

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aggiez03 said:

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How would anyone know this and how would it be proven?

Sounds like another theory...

Why would this guy want to pardon Biden's family?

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Pretty simple, handwriting samples from biden vs the ones on the legal documents.

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That does no good when an auto-pen is used.

Keep cracking Dr Holmes.

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Do they use auto-pen for pardons? Or are they supposed to?

Don't know, just curious.

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From what I understand the signatures look identical thus indicating an autopen. The inference is Hidin' Biden was too mentally incompetent to sign the pardons. Therefore the whole thing is a sham, the pardons aren't valid and someone violated some laws.

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Comer's investigation into potential autopen-signed pardons is a huge waste of time and will be a massive waste of resources. The Constitution gives plenary power of the pardon to the President. It doesn't specify how it must be signed. Heck, in the early-mid 2000s, even President Bush supported using an autopen to sign bills. Undoing anything signed by an autopen would have consequences beyond just these pardons.

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Proving that the president actually issued the pardons and was aware his auto pen signature was being used to make them will be very difficult for the cabal that was controlling the autopen. If there is some decision chain that can be tracked to show that he intended to do it, they will be fine. But Dr. Jill is still PISSED at the dem establishment, and I wouldn't be surprised to see her hang some folks out to dry out of pure spite.

That's why I say it's a waste of time and resources. I agreed all the investigations into President Trump during his previous term were wasteful, just like I felt about all the investigations into President Obama (how many Benghazi investigations were there?). If President Trump's current term is about curtailing waste, then Comer should be a non-starter. Otherwise, it's just more rightist hypocrisy.

Have any of Comer or Jordan got ems actually happened yet?

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Have any of Comer or Jordan got ems actually happened yet?

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It's not party specific. When was the last thing that even came close to a got em? Maybe the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal that just resulted in an impeachment and nothing else… Like I said, waste of time and resources, especially when there are actually problems that need addressing.

I'm all for presidential pardons but I think the signing of these things needs to be public/live on tv with mandatory questioning for minimum of 30 minutes afterwards.