I find it humorous that so many pardons were being signed that an autopen was even needed.

Did Biden operate the autopen in the traditional sense or is it an electronic signature similar to that on a pdf? I think it's the latter.

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Did Biden operate the autopen in the traditional sense or is it an electronic signature similar to that on a pdf? I think it's the latter.

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It's a machine that signs one's name.

Here's a good video demo.

PER Truth Social:

Congressional GOP is opening investigation into the AutoPen.

While I am okay with that, we all know that nothing will ever come from that other than blustering from Congress Critters.

We need Department of Justice to be on this, not just Congress. Ed Martin is on this. That is the one to watch!


(There is little to know chance these pardons get undone, but we still need to know who had the autopen and what authority did he have)

Im Gipper said:

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bobbranco said:

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Did Biden operate the autopen in the traditional sense or is it an electronic signature similar to that on a pdf? I think it's the latter.

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It's a machine that signs one's name.

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I'll concede on the autopen issue if they go after those involved in the cover up regarding his health. They definitely knew better.

Im Gipper said:

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PER Truth Social:

Congressional GOP is opening investigation into the AutoPen.

While I am okay with that, we all know that nothing will ever come from that other than blustering from Congress Critters.

We need Department of Justice to be on this, not just Congress. Ed Martin is on this. That is the one to watch!


(There is little to know chance these pardons get undone, but we still need to know who had the autopen and what authority did he have)

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Authority is they had access to the Oval Office.

It's hard to argue intent when Biden would go in and out of coherence. Even his higher coherent states were questionable.

I find it funny about all the talk because anyone with a brain could see he had dementia when he ran for president in 2020.

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I'll concede on the autopen issue if they go after those involved in the cover up regarding his health. They definitely knew better.

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What can you "go after" them for about laying about his health?


Forging a signature is a crime.

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Did Biden operate the autopen in the traditional sense or is it an electronic signature similar to that on a pdf? I think it's the latter.

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The constitution says "will sign." They understood that to be quill & ink. Technology changes (Trump uses a marker), but the intent is probably well described as "a unique action of personally legal approval."

So IF these were digital documents, I'd be fine with Docusign.

If the autopen operated to the individual command of a mentally competent president: I'd call it unpresidential but still accept it as legal so long as there were proof of the president giving the command for the specific signatures deposited.

The issue here is that there's no proof that Biden "signed" most of these documents. Without video evidence, there's no way to tell he actually approved for his signature to be applied to these documents.

On documents that Biden directed to receive his mark, it's lazy but not worth fighting over. But for any document that he didn't specifically direct to receive his mark; the signatures are forgeries that should be considered not-legally-binding.

If he could request an autopen he's capable of signing it officially.

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The constitution says "will sign."

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For bills, not pardons.

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any document that he didn't specifically direct to receive his mark; the signatures are forgeries that should be considered not-legally-binding.

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Exactly!

Propriety vs legitimacy. I don't see it as PROPER for a president to use autopen in their official capacity, but could imagine situations where prosthesis is warranted (ex a paraplegic who signs documents via nerolink + robotic arm). We'd still accept those as LEGAL signatures regardless of the layers of apparatus involved.

And there are plenty of delegated powers which could be signed "by direction" by various officials (they sign THEIR name, not the president's). I'm fine with those.

It's application of a a facsimile of president's signature WITHOUT his explicit direction that I see as an obvious legal problem. And IF you're running autopen in the whitehouse for a president who's in Air Force One: you owe it to the nation to have a process that's AT LEAST as verifiable as what comes standard on $19.99 adobe subscription.

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If he could request an autopen he's capable of signing it officially.

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I'll say again, show up to your next home closing with an auto pen and see how that flies.

It's not too much to ask that Presidential documents meet or exceed that standard.

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Exactly. If we can't do it, it's not legal for them to do it.

Joe Biden was not for Open Borders, he never talked about Open Borders, where criminals of all kinds, shapes, and sizes, can flow into our Country at will. It wasn't his idea to Open the Border, and almost destroy our Country, and cost us Hundreds of Billions of Dollars to get…

— Trump Posts on 𝕏 (@trump_repost) May 20, 2025

Hate to break it to Trump, but Biden very much was for open borders. Autopen issues aside, Biden profited greatly from all of this.

No. Ron Klein, Tom Donilon, Jim Biden etc. were for open borders. They were doing their CCP-masters bidding. What pisses me off is that there are no known investigations into their finances. I'd bet dollars to pesos there are payments from foreign enemies to them, and a chain of communications that can be tracked down, if people at the lovely FBI etc. wanted to do so.

What pisses me off to be more precise is that Trump could order investigations into this, this afternoon, instead of complaining about it on truth social.

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Donald Trump Truth Social 05.20.25 03:55 PM EST

Joe Biden was not for Open Borders, he never talked about Open Borders, where criminals of all kinds, shapes, and sizes, can flow into our Country at will. It wasn't his idea to Open the Border, and almost destroy our Country, and cost us Hundreds of Billions of Dollars to get criminals out of our Country, and go through the process we are going through now. It was the people that knew he was cognitively impaired, and that took over the Autopen. They stole the Presidency of the United States, and put us in Great Danger. This is TREASON at the Highest Level! They did it to destroy our Country. The Joe Biden that everybody knew would never allow drug dealers, gang members, and the mentally insane to come into our Country totally unchecked and unvetted. All anyone has to do is look up his record. Something very severe should happen to these Treasonous Thugs that wanted to destroy our Country, but couldn't, because I came along. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

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Peepaw didn't come up with these plans/actions, he tried to stay upright/awake a few hours a day, generally unaware he even was nominally POTUS.

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Here's a good video demo.

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Xiden needs to really be brought up on treason. As for the autopen. It needs the Office Space Printer treatment for its foul deeds against our great country!!!

BREAKING: Staffers operating President Biden’s autopen were allegedly taking payoffs in exchange for pardons, per Rep. Tim Burchett.

— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) May 20, 2025

LGB getting that 10%++ from everybody.

He was speculating on that, no evidence, but it's based on the Tenn. history with Gov. Blanton. Valid points though.

🚨Rep. Tim Burchett suggests Biden's autopen staffers were taking massive payoffs in exchange for pardons:

"Cash for clemancy. Going to find staffers that auto-penned em.. Someone got rich. Someone making a hundred thousand a year and is offered a quarter of a mil..." pic.twitter.com/ZsKH8VifXv

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) May 20, 2025

It's all probably much worse than we thought.

I think it gets much much worse.

Someone was willing to kill Trump on a live broadcast rally, and when it goes bad have the body incinerated in hours and the investigation forgotten within 6 months.

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I think it gets much much worse.

Someone was willing to kill Trump on a live broadcast rally, and when it goes bad have the body incinerated in hours and the investigation forgotten within 6 months.

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There is nothing to that. Just ask the current FBI. Move along. Nothing to see here.

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bobbranco said:

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Did Biden operate the autopen in the traditional sense or is it an electronic signature similar to that on a pdf? I think it's the latter.

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It's a machine that signs one's other people's name.

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With this White House I think this is more accurate. Since nobody operating this illegal cash machine was obviously signing their own name !!

I think they knew about his cancer before the 2020 election and knew if it got out Trump would win the election.

Once Biden "won" they knew if it was released they would have issues with Kamala taking over and risk a bloodbath in the midterms.

After a certain point they just kept it going until they finally installed Kamala. Who knows, maybe they threatened Biden with the medical release if he didn't step down.

Meh, I hope the first we hear of this from Trump is that the tactical nuke at Davos and the drone strike in Katonah, NY were a complete success.

Let's not start pretending that the only thing wrong with Biden's health the last few years was cancer and pants ****ting. And it's not a stutter.

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Let's not start pretending that the only thing wrong with Biden's health the last few years was cancer and pants ****ting. And it's not a stutter.

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I think the cancer treatment definitely exacerbated the dementia and brain fog.

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Let's not start pretending that the only thing wrong with Biden's health the last few years was cancer and pants ****ting. And it's not a stutter.

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I think the cancer treatment definitely exacerbated the dementia and brain fog.

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And muscle weakness in his legs? Felt the need to moderate his steps to smaller ones? Hard to climb stairs?

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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I'll concede on the autopen issue if they go after those involved in the cover up regarding his health. They definitely knew better.

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What can you "go after" them for about laying about his health?


Forging a signature is a crime.

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Not if the person is a democrat.

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Im Gipper said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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I'll concede on the autopen issue if they go after those involved in the cover up regarding his health. They definitely knew better.

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What can you "go after" them for about laying about his health?


Forging a signature is a crime.

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Not if the person is a democrat.

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So the Trump DoJ won't prosecute Democrats for crimes? Why not?