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SEC. 2. <<NOTE: 22 USC 2378b note.>> LIMITATION ON ASSISTANCE TO THE
PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY.

(a) Declaration of Policy.--It shall be the policy of the United
States--
(1) to support a peaceful, two-state solution to end the
conflict between Israel and the Palestinians in accordance with
the Performance-Based Roadmap to a Permanent Two-State Solution
to the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict (commonly referred to as the
``Roadmap'');
(2) to oppose those organizations, individuals, and
countries that support terrorism and violently reject a two-
state solution to end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict;
(3) to promote the rule of law, democracy, the cessation of
terrorism and incitement, and good governance in institutions
and territories controlled by the Palestinian Authority; and
(4) to urge members of the international community to avoid
contact with and refrain from supporting the terrorist
organization Hamas until it agrees to recognize Israel, renounce
violence, disarm, and accept prior agreements, including the
Roadmap.

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https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/PLAW-109publ446/html/PLAW-109publ446.htm

Subset 2..jeezus

Funky Winkerbean said:

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Free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.

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It does, though, at least from the government. It does not mean freedom of consequences from private entities.

But I am in support of removing this person from the country as I do not believe a non-citizen deserves all of the rights afforded by the Constitution.

chickencoupe16 said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.

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It does, though, at least from the government. It does not mean freedom of consequences from private entities.

But I am in support of removing this person from the country as I do not believe a non-citizen deserves all of the rights afforded by the Constitution.

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They absolutely should have all the rights. That's what makes this America.
However, the government does have a right to kick you out if you are on a visa. People get turned back at airports. Even with green cards.

This is no different. They should have just revoked her visa, and have her self deport or arrested for violating her visa.

deddog said:

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chickencoupe16 said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.

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It does, though, at least from the government. It does not mean freedom of consequences from private entities.

But I am in support of removing this person from the country as I do not believe a non-citizen deserves all of the rights afforded by the Constitution.

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They absolutely should have all the rights. That's what makes this America.
However, the government does have a right to kick you out if you are on a visa. People get turned back at airports. Even with green cards.

This is no different. They should have just revoked her visa, and have her self deport or arrested for violating her visa.

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That then means that they do not have the right of the 1st Amendment. Ridiculous argument.

WaltonAg18 said:

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Here is what she wrote that led to this arrest. Let's not take the media's words for it, just read it yourself. Hardly a controversial article.

https://www.tuftsdaily.com/article/2024/03/4ftk27sm6jkj

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When did they say that article is what led to the arrest?

WaltonAg18 said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Subset 2..jeezus

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Thank you for clearly showing that you didn't actually read what she wrote.

Just so I'm clear on my own positions, the government has every right to decide to allocate or rescind visas as they see fit. There is not a single person on a visa in this country who deserves one just because they "should".

But using this article - which is in regards to a handful of useless resolutions passed by a student senate in a university that doesn't have any significance or meaningful contribution to the country - as justification for secret-policing this student is absolutely absurd, and should make every single poster on this forum sick. Put down the partisan goggles and think objectively and critically.

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Mmmm…nah. I'm good if we just keep sending them home.

rgvag11 said:

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infinity ag said:

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Arrested for protesting and writing op-eds for Palestine when in the US on a student visa.

When you are in the US as a student, be a student. You don't have citizen rights to protest and make a pest of yourself.

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Legals have rights. The 1st Amd is one of them.

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Then the leftists will have no trouble at all finding some random Obama appointee judge to stop her expulsion.

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That's really not the point. The fact that this happened to her in the first place is completely un-American.

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Americans kicked the Brits out for less.

WestAustinAg said:

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I thought the Trump admin was going to just go after violent protesters. Now they are going after columnist with an opinion. Seems like a stretch.

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lol is that what they call it these days an opinion piece what part of her visa can be revoked at any time do you some of you not get?

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As the Trump administration continues to crackdown on alleged pro-Hamas agitators on college campuses across the country, foreign students hiding from immigration authorities are adopting another legal strategy suing before they are even arrested.

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Two foreign students Yunseo Chung of Columbia University and Momodou Taal of Cornell University are both wanted by federal immigration authorities. While neither have surrendered or been caught by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents, both individuals have sued the Trump administration to put a halt to enforcement actions against them. In Chung's case, she successfully requested a court to block her arrest at least temporarily.

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Point being here, they already know they are being deported. Given the chance to self deport, obviously.

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"This action challenges the government's shocking overreach in seeking to deport a college student, Plaintiff-Petitioner Yunseo Chung, who is a lawful permanent resident of this country, because of her protected speech," Chung's lawyers stated in a lawsuit filed Monday against the Trump administration. "The government's actions are an unprecedented and unjustifiable assault on First Amendment and other rights, one that cannot stand basic legal scrutiny."

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Yeah right.

Via Hot Air.

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The System said:

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Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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man i never knew if your a foreigner in a foreign land you should watch your p's and q's. who knew? brittany griner knows. and now this chick is going to find out as well.

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America use to be better than that. Now legal foreigners are whisked away to the American gulag, a private prison in Louisiana. NYSE: GEO Buy now.

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Oh FFS, if you're a visitor to our country and you are openly supporting a terrorist group and/or harassing Jews then it's time to GTFO. She decided to FAFO and is currently sitting in a Louisiana facility experiencing the FO stage. Hope there are many many more to come.

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That's a lie.

There is no evidence she supported a terrorist group of harassed Jews.

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That you know of.

rgvag11 said:

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LOL You're just waiting for them to say it. Aren't you.

ETA: There we go. I was a sec late.

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Yep. How quickly we forget these pro=Palestine groups intimidating Jewish students on campus and even being locked in libraries.



But if you want to continuing rationalization with a group of people who shout "From the River to the Sea" for the annahilation of the Jewish state, consider yourself an enabler.

Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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man i never knew if your a foreigner in a foreign land you should watch your p's and q's. who knew? brittany griner knows. and now this chick is going to find out as well.

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I could not imagine getting permission to go to another country to study or whatever it is and acting like this. Of course they do this here because they think they can get away with it. And they could the last four years. I think they're starting to understand they can't anymore.

Truly, they are just vile scum.

The government needs to provide more evidence of her crimes. If this op-ed is her crime, which is a view expressed by many Americans and scholars even, this is horse*****

The first amendment is a constraint on the US government and applies to everyone physically within the US. The most powerful entity in the world should follow due process. Conservatives should know this!

chickencoupe16 said:

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deddog said:

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chickencoupe16 said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.

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It does, though, at least from the government. It does not mean freedom of consequences from private entities.

But I am in support of removing this person from the country as I do not believe a non-citizen deserves all of the rights afforded by the Constitution.

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They absolutely should have all the rights. That's what makes this America.
However, the government does have a right to kick you out if you are on a visa. People get turned back at airports. Even with green cards.

This is no different. They should have just revoked her visa, and have her self deport or arrested for violating her visa.

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That then means that they do not have the right of the 1st Amendment. Ridiculous argument.

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You can't be arrested for speech.
You can be arrested, and your VISA cancelled for other unlawful activities.
Happens all the time.

The US remains the freest country in the world.

Actual Talking Thermos said:

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If you accept the premise that she has no right to voice an opinion and the decision to revoke her visa, it would still be the easiest thing in the world to contact her and tell her she no longer has a visa and she has 24 hours or 7 days or whatever to leave the country. This scholar who has been accused of nothing but having an opinion getting ambushed and kidnapped off the street by dudes in hoodies and masks is thuggish terror tactics meant to intimidate anyone who speaks against Israel.

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We only have the Boston Globes side of the story. Hardly unbiased.

The left: "Let's all wear masks and hoods as we riot, take over college campuses, vandalize buildings, loot, and steal. Let's doxx ICE officers when they arrest people."

Also the left: "Ehrmegerd the federal officer was wearing a mask!"

That being said, if that op-ed is all she did and I don't think that's enough to deport her. Something tells me that isn't everything.

AtticusMatlock said:

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The left: "Let's all wear masks and hoods as we riot, take over college campuses, vandalize buildings, loot, and steal. Let's doxx ICE officers when they arrest people."

Also the left: "Ehrmegerd the federal officer was wearing a mask!"

That being said, if that op-ed is all she did and I don't think that's enough to deport her. Something tells me that isn't everything.

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If that is indeed all she did, VERY bad Trump - this is something he needn't have copied from the democrats.

annie88 said:

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Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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man i never knew if your a foreigner in a foreign land you should watch your p's and q's. who knew? brittany griner knows. and now this chick is going to find out as well.

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I could not imagine getting permission to go to another country to study or whatever it is and acting like this. Of course they do this here because they think they can get away with it. And they could the last four years. I think they're starting to understand they can't anymore.

Truly, they are just vile scum.

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That is what makes America different though. It is what makes us exceptional.

We are the only country on earth where anyone can make a political viewpoint and still be free.
The government cannot arrest anyone simply because of their speech. They need to have a valid reason other than speech to deport her.

And yes, I'm holding Trump to a different standard than Democrats - because they have no standard at all.

Actual Talking Thermos said:

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If you accept the premise that she has no right to voice an opinion and the decision to revoke her visa, it would still be the easiest thing in the world to contact her and tell her she no longer has a visa and she has 24 hours or 7 days or whatever to leave the country. This scholar who has been accused of nothing but having an opinion getting ambushed and kidnapped off the street by dudes in hoodies and masks is thuggish terror tactics meant to intimidate anyone who speaks against Israel.

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Not just Israel but anything. These people are guest in this country. Guests do not come into someone's home and squabble with their host's family. Same applies here. These people are paid activists and state operatives. Don't fool yourself into thinking they are anything other.

Flavius Agximus said:

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Exactly. GTFO

The media and my Liberal FB friends are trying to tell us that all this lady did was co-author an article complaining about what Tufts University is invested in.

Remember (speaking of Turkey) these are the same folks who introduced "bone saw" into the lexicon.

What did she really do? Who knows?

But, you don't have to look very far to see that there were people pushing for a "Week of Rage" for the 1 year anniversary of the Oct. 7th attacks in Israel.
https://www.boston.com/news/education/2024/10/07/tufts-suspends-pro-palestinian-student-group-citing-violent-imagery-and-language/

Could she have been one of those organizers?
https://instagr.am/p/DA03HdPptrK

Oh, and the "masked" agents narrative. Why aren't they wearing masks in the surveillance video when they confront her?

This sounds like your typical lefty press anti-Trump nonsense.

Oh, and they're also touting the fact that the "prison" in Louisiana is a private for-profit prison. Just to amp up the anti-Trump hate a little.

soggybottomboy said:

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The government needs to provide more evidence of her crimes. If this op-ed is her crime, which is a view expressed by many Americans and scholars even, this is horse*****

The first amendment is a constraint on the US government and applies to everyone physically within the US. The most powerful entity in the world should follow due process. Conservatives should know this!

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I love when liberals decry government "overreach" as the Covid enablers they were.

She can go back to Turkey and say wtf she wants. While she is in our great nation she better act accordingly. But she hasn't and never will. She must go and take her cronies with her.

She can support the Kurds when she gets back to Turkey and see how that turns out for her.