Tufts student from Turkey detained by masked officers

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TresPuertas said:

from what i gather, this has more to do with due process than anything. and while I see where the court ruled aliens have the rights guaranteed in the constitution, this isn't what they are referring to. I'm no constitutional scholar but reading what you posted, it's clear the link is specific to due process and a right to a fair trial.

for one, they cannot purchase or lawfully possess firearms, vote, and are restricted to countless other things

edit for context:

In 1903, the Court in the Japanese Immigrant Case reviewed the legality of deporting an alien who had lawfully entered the United States, clarifying that an alien who has entered the country, and has become subject in all respects to its jurisdiction, and a part of its population could not be deported without an opportunity to be heard upon the questions involving his right to be and remain in the United States.1 In the decades that followed, the Supreme Court maintained the notion that once an alien lawfully enters and resides in this country he becomes invested with the rights guaranteed by the Constitution to all people within our borders.2

Eventually, the Supreme Court extended these constitutional protections to all aliens within the United States, including those who entered unlawfully, declaring that aliens who have once passed through our gates, even illegally, may be expelled only after proceedings conforming to traditional standards of fairness encompassed in due process of law.3 The Court reasoned that aliens physically present in the United States, regardless of their legal status, are recognized as persons guaranteed due process of law by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.



You're correct but just like due process, the Supreme Court has ruled that first amendment rights are extended to nearly everyone with very few exceptions.

The conclusion starts on page 40 if I'm not mistaken.

https://journals.law.harvard.edu/crcl/wp-content/uploads/sites/80/2015/07/The-First-Amendment-after-Reno-v.-American-Arab-Anti-Discrimination-Committee-A-Different-Bill-of-Rights-for-Aliens.pdf
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WestAustinAg said:




Perfect response!
ULTRA MAGA
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infinity ag said:

Arrested for protesting and writing op-eds for Palestine when in the US on a student visa.

When you are in the US as a student, be a student. You don't have citizen rights to protest and make a pest of yourself.

What next? Blow herself up in a busy downtown area?

Tufts student from Turkey detained by masked officers, video shows
https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2025/03/27/rumeysa-ozturk-tufts-student-ice-video/



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By Niha Masih, Frances Vinall, Julie Yoon and Anumita Kaur

As Tufts University student Rumeysa Ozturk made her way to an interfaith center to break the Ramadan fast Tuesday, plainclothes officers, some masked, descended on her. She screamed as an unmasked officer in a hooded sweatshirt grabbed her, security video shows. Within about a minute, the officers whisked her away in handcuffs.


The widely circulated video of the immigration enforcement officers who Ozturk's lawyer said were from the Department of Homeland Security sent shock waves through Somerville, Massachusetts, with thousands turning out Wednesday in the Boston suburb to demand her release.
Ozturk, a 30-year-old from Turkey, is a Fulbright scholar working on a PhD in child study and human development on an F-1 student visa, her lawyer Mahsa Khanbabai said in an email. "We should all be horrified at the way DHS spirited away Rumeysa in broad daylight," she wrote, adding that Ozturk has not been accused of any crime.



A federal district judge, considering a petition from her lawyer, ordered officers Tuesday not to move the student out of Massachusetts without advance notice. The Immigration and Customs Enforcement detainee locator page showed Ozturk's location as Louisiana late Wednesday. According to a court filing, Immigration and Customs Enforcement had already transferred Ozturk out of the state before the federal judge ordered that she be kept in Massachusetts, the Boston Globe reported.

"DHS and ICE investigations found Ozturk engaged in activities in support of Hamas," DHS said in an emailed statement, without sharing evidence of the claim or responding to questions about the video. It added that "supporting terrorists" is grounds for visa termination.

Good thing she wasn't praying at an abortion clinic. The FBI might have showed up at 6am in full tactical gear with guns drawn.
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rgvag11 said:

Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

man i never knew if your a foreigner in a foreign land you should watch your p's and q's. who knew? brittany griner knows. and now this chick is going to find out as well.


America use to be better than that. Now legal foreigners are whisked away to the American gulag, a private prison in Louisiana. NYSE: GEO Buy now.
And American citizens are droned overseas by their own government. Remember when the left was up in arms about that….Pepperidge Farms doesn't either.
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AGpops1923 said:

Wut


Anwar al-Awlaki - an American citizen, killed in 2011 by a drone strike carried out in Yemen by the US., for being an organizer for Al Qaeda.
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Actual Talking Thermos said:

Pizza said:


The last 4 years were a constant assault on free speech by progressive leftists, who targeted conservatives. Quit acting like you care about free speech.
" As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master. This expresses my idea of democracy. Whatever differs from this, to the extent of the difference, is no democracy." - Abraham Lincoln
Didn't Lincoln throw journalists in jail and tease over/shut down some newspapers?

I'll hang up and listen.
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rgvag11 said:

infinity ag said:

Arrested for protesting and writing op-eds for Palestine when in the US on a student visa.

When you are in the US as a student, be a student. You don't have citizen rights to protest and make a pest of yourself.




Legals have rights. The 1st Amd is one of them.

Edit to respond to edit in 1st response below: If you want to live in a country where there is not a right to free speech, then please find another country. Stop trying to change this one. Please, I beg you.

Y'all literally believe her just writing up op-Ed's is what led to this? There's a lot more to this. And guess what, even if it is, which I doubt, they can revoke a student visa for any reason, anytime they want to. They are here with country's permission.

She's literally supporting terrorist causes. Many of which we are seeing in our own country with the violence and antisemitism. Once again, freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences. It's a privilege to be in our country for an education or on any kind of visa. And that privilege can be revoked at any time.

I cannot believe some of you on here. Really it's pretty gross and naive.
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again, not arguing the context of your article. it's there. but argument is that in practice this is extremely selectively applied and therein lies the problem.

most would argue that the 1st, 5th and 14th amendments can and should be applied to all aliens.

but how can you square that with this?

" A nonimmigrant alien without residency in any state may not purchase and take possession of a firearm"

(https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-nonimmigrant-alien-who-has-been-admitted-united-states-under-nonimmigrant-visa-and#:~:text=A%20nonimmigrant%20alien%20without%20residency,take%20possession%20of%20a%20firearm.)

or this:

"Who cannot vote?
Non-citizens, including permanent legal residents, cannot vote in federal, state, and most local elections."

(https://www.usa.gov/who-can-vote)


also, I'll state again and this has been lost in all of the arguments here., she's not being charged with a crime. that's key here. she's detained pending a hearing, on violating her Student visa status. her declaring support for Hamas, a recognized terrorist organization (declared in October 1997 under a democrat administration) violates her visa

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Actual Talking Thermos said:

Pizza said:


The last 4 years were a constant assault on free speech by progressive leftists, who targeted conservatives. Quit acting like you care about free speech.
" As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master. This expresses my idea of democracy. Whatever differs from this, to the extent of the difference, is no democracy." - Abraham Lincoln
Says the greatest tyrant in American history.
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Step 1: Designate the NRA as a terrorist group
Step 2: Arrest all NRA-supporters for funding and furthering the cause of a terrorist group
Step 3: Rinse and repeat until you have no opposition
Step 4: Never lose an election again


Unfortunately not shocking at all that some of you don't see how this can be further abused and misused by the democrats if they ever manage to stumble their way back into power. "But but but they did it to me first" is not the correct answer in these situations.
No one should have to work to survive. Your right to life should not depend solely on your ability to produce capital.
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EVA3 said:

Actual Talking Thermos said:

Pizza said:


The last 4 years were a constant assault on free speech by progressive leftists, who targeted conservatives. Quit acting like you care about free speech.
" As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master. This expresses my idea of democracy. Whatever differs from this, to the extent of the difference, is no democracy." - Abraham Lincoln
Says the greatest tyrant in American history.
The hypocrisy of the left continually amazes me.
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Tufts student from Turkey detained by masked officers

I am all in on the masks, they are not just for Karen's
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Slicer97 said:

EVA3 said:

Actual Talking Thermos said:

Pizza said:


The last 4 years were a constant assault on free speech by progressive leftists, who targeted conservatives. Quit acting like you care about free speech.
" As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master. This expresses my idea of democracy. Whatever differs from this, to the extent of the difference, is no democracy." - Abraham Lincoln
Says the greatest tyrant in American history.
The hypocrisy of the left continually amazes me.
They also seem to have flunked their American history classes.
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WaltonAg18 said:

Keller6Ag91 said:

Actual Talking Thermos said:

If you accept the premise that she has no right to voice an opinion and the decision to revoke her visa, it would still be the easiest thing in the world to contact her and tell her she no longer has a visa and she has 24 hours or 7 days or whatever to leave the country. This scholar who has been accused of nothing but having an opinion getting ambushed and kidnapped off the street by dudes in hoodies and masks is thuggish terror tactics meant to intimidate anyone who speaks against Israel.
Keep defending the lovers of Hamas. It's such a worthy cause.
Please show the class where the accused supported Hamas. Or are we supporting the imprisonment of political enemies as we see fit?

Wait…so she was on her way to choir practice when she was picked up???
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It's good to see the feds going after the right people for a change. Thank you, President Trump!
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BenFiasco14 said:

Last I checked, visas are given out at the host country's discretion and aliens dont have a "right" to be here just because we gave them permission to enter.

The entitlement from this POS "student" in the OP is hilarious. What would happen if I went to Turkey and did the exact same thing she's doing? That is, sympathizing with enemy combatants of the host country lmao. Pretty sure id never be seen again.

She's lucky she's being deported (on taxpayer dime by the way) and not disappeared like her home country and other Muslim countries would.


THIS IN SPADES!

I am\was heavily involved in sharing the gospel in the ME, 9 years there, 2 years in India, 7 in Japan extended time in Russia and about 7 or so other nation including NK.

The idea that I could go to theses countries and become a political activist at all is insane.

I would of been disappeared so fast!

Even just sharing the gospel is risky enough, but to engage in political activity in favor of the HOST nations declared enemy!!??
Please, I have no right to that and it is clear in the Visa application that I will not engage in political activity or face deportment or imprisonment
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WaltonAg18 said:

Step 1: Designate the NRA as a terrorist group
Step 2: Arrest all NRA-supporters for funding and furthering the cause of a terrorist group
Step 3: Rinse and repeat until you have no opposition
Step 4: Never lose an election again


Unfortunately not shocking at all that some of you don't see how this can be further abused and misused by the democrats if they ever manage to stumble their way back into power. "But but but they did it to me first" is not the correct answer in these situations.


Apples to oranges. They revoked her privilege to be here. She is a non citizen and removed her.

You cannot remove citizens from the US.

And you actually think Hamas is not a terrorist organization? And that the NRA is one? One of these is demonstrably not like the other.

Try harder.
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F-1 visa holders may not work for off-campus NGOs. Any funds given to a F-1 visa holder from an NGO could be a violation of the visa. Let's check it out, shall we.

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WaltonAg18 said:

Step 1: Designate the NRA as a terrorist group
Step 2: Arrest all NRA-supporters for funding and furthering the cause of a terrorist group
Step 3: Rinse and repeat until you have no opposition
Step 4: Never lose an election again


Unfortunately not shocking at all that some of you don't see how this can be further abused and misused by the democrats if they ever manage to stumble their way back into power. "But but but they did it to me first" is not the correct answer in these situations.


American citizens vs loud mouth terrorist loving visitors that can have their Visas revoked at any time.
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WaltonAg18 said:

Step 1: Designate the NRA as a terrorist group
Step 2: Arrest all NRA-supporters for funding and furthering the cause of a terrorist group
Step 3: Rinse and repeat until you have no opposition
Step 4: Never lose an election again


Unfortunately not shocking at all that some of you don't see how this can be further abused and misused by the democrats if they ever manage to stumble their way back into power. "But but but they did it to me first" is not the correct answer in these situations.
Ah...

Trying to conflate citizens with non-citizens...

Just like the left conflates LEGAL aliens with ILLEGAL aliens...

But, carry on with your strawman.
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of course more lies from the Hamas propaganda department

she is not some "scholar"

she came into our country on a VISA and worked very hard to support a TERRORIST ORGANIZATION as defined by the State Department.

would love to see you go over to Istanbul and protest against Erdogan and see what happens to you.
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VarkAg77 said:

AGpops1923 said:

Wut


Anwar al-Awlaki - an American citizen, killed in 2011 by a drone strike carried out in Yemen by the US., for being an organizer for Al Qaeda.

With a name like that, it doesn't matter.


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Tom Fox said:

WaltonAg18 said:

Step 1: Designate the NRA as a terrorist group
Step 2: Arrest all NRA-supporters for funding and furthering the cause of a terrorist group
Step 3: Rinse and repeat until you have no opposition
Step 4: Never lose an election again


Unfortunately not shocking at all that some of you don't see how this can be further abused and misused by the democrats if they ever manage to stumble their way back into power. "But but but they did it to me first" is not the correct answer in these situations.


Apples to oranges. They revoked her privilege to be here. She is a non citizen and removed her.

You cannot remove citizens from the US.

And you actually think Hamas is not a terrorist organization? And that the NRA is one? One of these is demonstrably not like the other.

Try harder.
According to the OP she was arrested for her op-ed, which had nothing to do with Hamas and everything to do with a useless student senate at a diploma mill university doing things that student senates do.

You don't get to spend four years whining and crying about the lack of due process for January 6 victims and then turn around and encourage the same behavior against people you disagree with.
No one should have to work to survive. Your right to life should not depend solely on your ability to produce capital.
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WaltonAg18 said:

Tom Fox said:

WaltonAg18 said:

Step 1: Designate the NRA as a terrorist group
Step 2: Arrest all NRA-supporters for funding and furthering the cause of a terrorist group
Step 3: Rinse and repeat until you have no opposition
Step 4: Never lose an election again


Unfortunately not shocking at all that some of you don't see how this can be further abused and misused by the democrats if they ever manage to stumble their way back into power. "But but but they did it to me first" is not the correct answer in these situations.


Apples to oranges. They revoked her privilege to be here. She is a non citizen and removed her.

You cannot remove citizens from the US.

And you actually think Hamas is not a terrorist organization? And that the NRA is one? One of these is demonstrably not like the other.

Try harder.
According to the OP she was arrested for her op-ed, which had nothing to do with Hamas and everything to do with a useless student senate at a diploma mill university doing things that student senates do.

You don't get to spend four years whining and crying about the lack of due process for January 6 victims and then turn around and encourage the same behavior against people you disagree with.


Uh, yeah we do.
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Pretty easy to see who the leftists and the marxists and the Hamas terrorists are now. If you support illegal aliens staying in the United States- you are not a patriotic American.

SecState Rubio states this very well!

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OPAG said:

BenFiasco14 said:

Last I checked, visas are given out at the host country's discretion and aliens dont have a "right" to be here just because we gave them permission to enter.

The entitlement from this POS "student" in the OP is hilarious. What would happen if I went to Turkey and did the exact same thing she's doing? That is, sympathizing with enemy combatants of the host country lmao. Pretty sure id never be seen again.

She's lucky she's being deported (on taxpayer dime by the way) and not disappeared like her home country and other Muslim countries would.


THIS IN SPADES!

I am\was heavily involved in sharing the gospel in the ME, 9 years there, 2 years in India, 7 in Japan extended time in Russia and about 7 or so other nation including NK.

The idea that I could go to theses countries and become a political activist at all is insane.

I would of been disappeared so fast!

Even just sharing the gospel is risky enough, but to engage in political activity in favor of the HOST nations declared enemy!!??
Please, I have no right to that and it is clear in the Visa application that I will not engage in political activity or face deportment or imprisonment

Did you go to these places on a missionary visa? Or did you go on a tourist visa or business visa and then cheat and do missionary work?
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WaltonAg18 said:

Step 1: Designate the NRA as a terrorist group
Step 2: Arrest all NRA-supporters for funding and furthering the cause of a terrorist group
Step 3: Rinse and repeat until you have no opposition
Step 4: Never lose an election again


Unfortunately not shocking at all that some of you don't see how this can be further abused and misused by the democrats if they ever manage to stumble their way back into power. "But but but they did it to me first" is not the correct answer in these situations.
The Biden admin did something similar and the fact that you don't know about it speaks volumes about your and the democrat party's duplicity.

Look up the ATF brace rule. Tried to make felons out of millions of Americans and not one Dem, certainly not any of ya'll on this thread gave a shi$

YOU started this. You just didn't expect the blowback to affect your terrorist sympathizers.
Trump is using the Democrat playbook against Democrats, and suddenly y'all have discovered previously untouched copies of the constitution.
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WaltonAg18 said:

Tom Fox said:

WaltonAg18 said:

Step 1: Designate the NRA as a terrorist group
Step 2: Arrest all NRA-supporters for funding and furthering the cause of a terrorist group
Step 3: Rinse and repeat until you have no opposition
Step 4: Never lose an election again


Unfortunately not shocking at all that some of you don't see how this can be further abused and misused by the democrats if they ever manage to stumble their way back into power. "But but but they did it to me first" is not the correct answer in these situations.


Apples to oranges. They revoked her privilege to be here. She is a non citizen and removed her.

You cannot remove citizens from the US.

And you actually think Hamas is not a terrorist organization? And that the NRA is one? One of these is demonstrably not like the other.

Try harder.
According to the OP she was arrested for her op-ed, which had nothing to do with Hamas and everything to do with a useless student senate at a diploma mill university doing things that student senates do.

You don't get to spend four years whining and crying about the lack of due process for January 6 victims and then turn around and encourage the same behavior against people you disagree with.
again if you are on a student visa or green card and can revoked at anytime, jan 6ers were US citizens
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LMCane said:

Pretty easy to see who the leftists and the marxists and the Hamas terrorists are now. If you support illegal aliens staying in the United States- you are not a patriotic American.
She wasn't an "illegal alien" she was a Fulbright scholar studying childhood development, who thought she had come to a country where a vigorous exchange of ideas could take place. She was made "illegal" without notice and practically black bag renditioned because of her writing. No doubt she took part in protests too, but so do a zillion other students for a zillion other causes. It was obviously the anti-Israel nature of her opinions that got her singled out and made an example of when she openly and zealously advocated for those opinions. Opinions are permissible only so long as they don't offend the regime.
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WaltonAg18 said:


You don't get to spend four years whining and crying about the lack of due process for January 6 victims and then turn around and encourage the same behavior against people you disagree with.
You do understand that as a non-citizen, she has no right to be here. She had permission which can be, and was, revoked at any time.

J6 was citizens being incarcerated with no due process. The two are not even remotely similar.
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Actual Talking Thermos said:

LMCane said:

Pretty easy to see who the leftists and the marxists and the Hamas terrorists are now. If you support illegal aliens staying in the United States- you are not a patriotic American.
She wasn't an "illegal alien" she was a Fulbright scholar studying childhood development, who thought she had come to a country where a vigorous exchange of ideas could take place. She was made "illegal" without notice and practically black bag renditioned because of her writing. No doubt she took part in protests too, but so do a zillion other students for a zillion other causes. It was obviously the anti-Israel nature of her opinions that got her singled out and made an example of when she openly and zealously advocated for those opinions. Opinions are permissible only so long as they don't offend the regime.
So?

That still does not give her the right to be here.
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WaltonAg18 said:

Tom Fox said:

WaltonAg18 said:

Step 1: Designate the NRA as a terrorist group
Step 2: Arrest all NRA-supporters for funding and furthering the cause of a terrorist group
Step 3: Rinse and repeat until you have no opposition
Step 4: Never lose an election again


Unfortunately not shocking at all that some of you don't see how this can be further abused and misused by the democrats if they ever manage to stumble their way back into power. "But but but they did it to me first" is not the correct answer in these situations.


Apples to oranges. They revoked her privilege to be here. She is a non citizen and removed her.

You cannot remove citizens from the US.

And you actually think Hamas is not a terrorist organization? And that the NRA is one? One of these is demonstrably not like the other.

Try harder.
According to the OP she was arrested for her op-ed, which had nothing to do with Hamas and everything to do with a useless student senate at a diploma mill university doing things that student senates do.

You don't get to spend four years whining and crying about the lack of due process for January 6 victims and then turn around and encourage the same behavior against people you disagree with.


She is a non-immigrant. She can be removed. The end.

Edit: I'll give an example. When I was ICE is Dallas, a non immigrant from Holland slept with a married man she should not have and the wife complained to her Senator. Bing bang boom, it ended up on my desk, and I arrested her the next day at the Las Colinas Equestrian Center where she was riding and she was on the plane back to Holland the following week.
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WaltonAg18 said:

Step 1: Designate the NRA as a terrorist group
Step 2: Arrest all NRA-supporters for funding and furthering the cause of a terrorist group
Step 3: Rinse and repeat until you have no opposition
Step 4: Never lose an election again


Unfortunately not shocking at all that some of you don't see how this can be further abused and misused by the democrats if they ever manage to stumble their way back into power. "But but but they did it to me first" is not the correct answer in these situations.
That definitely would be bad. The problem, though, is you're talking about arresting citizens. This lady was not a citizen who lost her visa.
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Slicer97 said:

Actual Talking Thermos said:

LMCane said:

Pretty easy to see who the leftists and the marxists and the Hamas terrorists are now. If you support illegal aliens staying in the United States- you are not a patriotic American.
She wasn't an "illegal alien" she was a Fulbright scholar studying childhood development, who thought she had come to a country where a vigorous exchange of ideas could take place. She was made "illegal" without notice and practically black bag renditioned because of her writing. No doubt she took part in protests too, but so do a zillion other students for a zillion other causes. It was obviously the anti-Israel nature of her opinions that got her singled out and made an example of when she openly and zealously advocated for those opinions. Opinions are permissible only so long as they don't offend the regime.
So?

That still does not give her the right to be here.
I suspect you're right that it is within the government's power to deport her for speech, although I'll have to study that question more before I give up on her having some rights against arbitrary and capricious government action. But just because the government has the power doesn't mean this isn't a misuse, an abuse of that power.
 
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