Tufts student from Turkey detained by masked officers

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Gaw617 said:

We have a lot of posters who don't seem to understand the constitution or the bill of rights. If you are a US citizen and living in the US go ahead and write an article in support of Hamas. I think you are misguided but it's your constitutional right. If you are in the US on a student visa you don't have rights a US citizen has. Keep your mouth shut and do the work you wanted to do. If you write an article supporting a terrorist organization you will be deported. Why is this such a hard concept to understand????


It must be hard to comprehend things when the duct tape is hiding your nuts?
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Watching leftists act like they care about free speech after covid, blm riots, & all the lawfare against Trump is rich.

This doesn't even begin to approach what was done to Conservatives over the last 4 years.

When you throw a punch, expect to take a punch...but know that you haven't even had one thrown back yet, despite deserving it.

Leftists: "that person used the word ivermectin?, and they said the virus might've come from a lab leak?" Ban them, throw them in jail.

"That person said men are men & women are women?" Ban them, throw them in jail.

"That person peacefully protested at the capitol?" Yaaaa that's a violent insurrection, Ban them throw them in jail.

"That person used the word black & didn't capitalize it?" Ban them, fire them, throw them in jail.

The last 4 years were a constant assault on free speech by progressive leftists, who targeted conservatives. Quit acting like you care about free speech.
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I have a hard time believing that the founding fathers created the 2nd amendment, which only applies to US citizens. But the framers were like "but the first applies to everyone, even enemies in the US trying to cause discord."

I don't buy that the first applies to foreign enemies. And I'm happy to see this future terrorist get the boot.

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This thread has brought everyone out
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Pizza said:


The last 4 years were a constant assault on free speech by progressive leftists, who targeted conservatives. Quit acting like you care about free speech.
" As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master. This expresses my idea of democracy. Whatever differs from this, to the extent of the difference, is no democracy." - Abraham Lincoln
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Back when I lived in Budapest, I saw a few people workout in the gym wearing Tufts shirts. Wondered what it was. Imagine my surprise there's some ivory tower school named that.

Eta really makes you think
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
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Note to the leftists: extending full American protections willy nilly to any rando who enters your consciousness doesn't make you compassionate or virtuous: it makes you foolish.

Being unwilling to protect the culture that made America great is - in fact - immoral. It is a dereliction of the legacy of men who gave their lives to shape this nation into a land where our people and our allies can thrive.
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deddog said:

chickencoupe16 said:

deddog said:

chickencoupe16 said:

Funky Winkerbean said:

Free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.
It does, though, at least from the government. It does not mean freedom of consequences from private entities.

But I am in support of removing this person from the country as I do not believe a non-citizen deserves all of the rights afforded by the Constitution.
They absolutely should have all the rights. That's what makes this America.
However, the government does have a right to kick you out if you are on a visa. People get turned back at airports. Even with green cards.

This is no different. They should have just revoked her visa, and have her self deport or arrested for violating her visa.
That then means that they do not have the right of the 1st Amendment. Ridiculous argument.
You can't be arrested for speech.
You can be arrested, and your VISA cancelled for other unlawful activities.
Happens all the time.

The US remains the freest country in the world.

Yeah, except that wasn't the argument I replied to. Nice try, though.
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WestAustinAg said:



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Let me be abundantly clear: If you apply for a student visa to come to the United States and you say you're coming not just to study, but to participate in movements that vandalize universities, harass students, take over buildings, and cause chaoswe're not giving you that visa. If you lie, get the visa, and then engage in that kind of behavior once you're here, we're going to revoke it. And once your visa is revoked, you're no longer legally in the United States. Like every country, we have the right to remove you. It's that simple.


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We gave you a visa to study and earn a degreenot to become a social activist tearing up our campuses. If you use your visa to do that, we'll take it away. And I encourage every country to do the same. Every country has the right to decide who enters as a visitor. If you invite me to your house for dinner and I start putting mud on your couch and spray-painting your kitchen, you're going to kick me out. We'll do the same if you come to the U.S. and cause a ruckus. We don't want that here. Go do it in your own countrybut not in ours."
THAT.

How can you beat the logic of that?

All of it. And if for some reason in the past the SC ruled otherwise, than that dumb ruling needs go the way of RvWAde and other bad decisions.

There is no way visitors should have the identical rights -- the only thing separating a visitor from an invader or saboteur is their actions. You need more barrier than that -- you need to be able to boot them out.
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Unless more information comes out on the reasons, I will find it rather over-the-top to use 6 masked, plains-clothes officers to nab her off the streets for violating a student visa.
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Honestly. Im down for a top down examination of ALL student visas in this country. It has been abused for a long time. Over stays, leniency on crimes, spying, etc.
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annie88 said:

Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

man i never knew if your a foreigner in a foreign land you should watch your p's and q's. who knew? brittany griner knows. and now this chick is going to find out as well.


I could not imagine getting permission to go to another country to study or whatever it is and acting like this. Of course they do this here because they think they can get away with it. And they could the last four years. I think they're starting to understand they can't anymore.

Truly, they are just vile scum.

And note that it is only Muslims who do this. Or people recruited by Muslims to fight Muslim causes.
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Many on here seem to be buying that this student's only offense was co-authoring the Op Ed, based on one or two media reports. I don't trust media these days to be balanced or tell both sides. I assume they have more data points to expend this much energy, but also have a healthy level of skepticism about law enforcement.

I'm guessing the truth is somewhere in the middle. They probably have more evidence of other activities and they probably want to make an example of her. If I was a foreign student and saw this in the news, I'd be on the straight and narrow!
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deddog said:

chickencoupe16 said:

deddog said:

chickencoupe16 said:

Funky Winkerbean said:

Free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.
It does, though, at least from the government. It does not mean freedom of consequences from private entities.

But I am in support of removing this person from the country as I do not believe a non-citizen deserves all of the rights afforded by the Constitution.
They absolutely should have all the rights. That's what makes this America.
However, the government does have a right to kick you out if you are on a visa. People get turned back at airports. Even with green cards.

This is no different. They should have just revoked her visa, and have her self deport or arrested for violating her visa.
That then means that they do not have the right of the 1st Amendment. Ridiculous argument.
You can't be arrested for speech.
You can be arrested, and your VISA cancelled for other unlawful activities.
Happens all the time.

The US remains the freest country in the world.



If your speech is antisemitism there will be consequences. We don't have free speech honestly.
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biglebowski said:

deddog said:

chickencoupe16 said:

deddog said:

chickencoupe16 said:

Funky Winkerbean said:

Free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.
It does, though, at least from the government. It does not mean freedom of consequences from private entities.

But I am in support of removing this person from the country as I do not believe a non-citizen deserves all of the rights afforded by the Constitution.
They absolutely should have all the rights. That's what makes this America.
However, the government does have a right to kick you out if you are on a visa. People get turned back at airports. Even with green cards.

This is no different. They should have just revoked her visa, and have her self deport or arrested for violating her visa.
That then means that they do not have the right of the 1st Amendment. Ridiculous argument.
You can't be arrested for speech.
You can be arrested, and your VISA cancelled for other unlawful activities.
Happens all the time.

The US remains the freest country in the world.



If your speech is antisemitism there will be consequences. We don't have free speech honestly.



You are r going by what the Boston globe said . Hardly an unbiased source. Democrats claim what happened at Columbia was free speech too. It was not.
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Do she like crawfish? Basile, La is a great area to be detained at. Very refined culture and very diverse locals. I'll bet the phd student will learn plenty there.
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nomad2007 said:

Unless more information comes out on the reasons, I will find it rather over-the-top to use 6 masked, plains-clothes officers to nab her off the streets for violating a student visa.
Only needed 3. The other 3 were lookouts for possible assaults from bicycle locks and skateboards.
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rgvag11 said:

Burnsey said:

rgvag11 said:

infinity ag said:

Arrested for protesting and writing op-eds for Palestine when in the US on a student visa.

When you are in the US as a student, be a student. You don't have citizen rights to protest and make a pest of yourself.




Legals have rights. The 1st Amd is one of them.
Then the leftists will have no trouble at all finding some random Obama appointee judge to stop her expulsion.



That's really not the point. The fact that this happened to her in the first place is completely un-American.


Just like her.
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Mas89 said:

Do she like crawfish? Basile, La is a great area to be detained at. Very refined culture and very diverse locals. I'll bet the phd student will learn plenty there.
According to the interwebs, crawfish aren't allowed (haram is the term, maybe?). But I think that shrimp is allowed. Turned out to be a somewhat interesting search in that there are entire websites devoted to dietary restrictions like seafood and (not surprisingly) the shias and the sunnis can't seem to agree on much of it.
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Why do you and democrats care more about non-Americans than Americans? Ya'll care more about non-Americans than your own families. This is all the Left in Western Society.

Show me where it says all non-Americans have the right to be in the US?

A Visa is a privilege. Not a right to be here. She applied for a STUDENT visa, not a PROTEST visa. If you you spend more time protesting than going to school, you're a protestor, not a student.

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rgvag11 said:

Burnsey said:

rgvag11 said:

infinity ag said:

Arrested for protesting and writing op-eds for Palestine when in the US on a student visa.

When you are in the US as a student, be a student. You don't have citizen rights to protest and make a pest of yourself.




Legals have rights. The 1st Amd is one of them.
Then the leftists will have no trouble at all finding some random Obama appointee judge to stop her expulsion.



That's really not the point. The fact that this happened to her in the first place is completely un-American.


The fact there was a Turkish terrorist sympathizer "studying" at an American university, with our permission, is completely unAmerican.
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
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when big Brittney Griner was arrested in Russia, the general consensus amongst conservatives was " don't go to another country, and expect not to have consequences for your actions"

I apply that same line of thinking to this situation. As far as I know, this woman has not been charged with a crime but detained to a facility where she is awaiting deportation. If they throw her in prison and charge her with a crime, then yeah, I have a problem with it,. That certainly isn't the case here. Her sitting somewhere in Louisiana, in a private facility, awaiting her ticket out because she violated the terms of her student visa, I have absolutely no problem with.

We have every right in the world to take out the trash of people who come here and advance an idea that is congruent with terrorism. I'd go further and say it's our duty to do so.
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Besides, has the 9/11 War or GoT ever been announced over? This is actually point-blank siding with the enemy.
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Read her article before you make this stuff up?
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rgvag11 said:

Regardless, your proving that you don't care either. Two wrongs don't make a right.


Deporting her is right
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biglebowski said:

deddog said:

chickencoupe16 said:

deddog said:

chickencoupe16 said:

Funky Winkerbean said:

Free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.
It does, though, at least from the government. It does not mean freedom of consequences from private entities.

But I am in support of removing this person from the country as I do not believe a non-citizen deserves all of the rights afforded by the Constitution.
They absolutely should have all the rights. That's what makes this America.
However, the government does have a right to kick you out if you are on a visa. People get turned back at airports. Even with green cards.

This is no different. They should have just revoked her visa, and have her self deport or arrested for violating her visa.
That then means that they do not have the right of the 1st Amendment. Ridiculous argument.
You can't be arrested for speech.
You can be arrested, and your VISA cancelled for other unlawful activities.
Happens all the time.

The US remains the freest country in the world.



If your speech is antisemitism there will be consequences. We don't have free speech honestly.



She does not belong here
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WaltonAg18 said:

Funky Winkerbean said:

Subset 2..jeezus
Thank you for clearly showing that you didn't actually read what she wrote.

Just so I'm clear on my own positions, the government has every right to decide to allocate or rescind visas as they see fit. There is not a single person on a visa in this country who deserves one just because they "should".

But using this article - which is in regards to a handful of useless resolutions passed by a student senate in a university that doesn't have any significance or meaningful contribution to the country - as justification for secret-policing this student is absolutely absurd, and should make every single poster on this forum sick. Put down the partisan goggles and think objectively and critically.


You first…
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tamc91 said:

Many on here seem to be buying that this student's only offense was co-authoring the Op Ed, based on one or two media reports. I don't trust media these days to be balanced or tell both sides. I assume they have more data points to expend this much energy, but also have a healthy level of skepticism about law enforcement.

I'm guessing the truth is somewhere in the middle. They probably have more evidence of other activities, and they probably want to make an example of her. If I was a foreign student and saw this in the news, I'd be on the straight and narrow!
I suspect so
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nomad2007 said:

Unless more information comes out on the reasons, I will find it rather over-the-top to use 6 masked, plains-clothes officers to nab her off the streets for violating a student visa.
they have to -- in order to prevent doxxing of the officers
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Gaw617 said:

We have a lot of posters who don't seem to understand the constitution or the bill of rights. If you are a US citizen and living in the US go ahead and write an article in support of Hamas. I think you are misguided but it's your constitutional right. If you are in the US on a student visa you don't have rights a US citizen has. Keep your mouth shut and do the work you wanted to do. If you write an article supporting a terrorist organization you will be deported. Why is this such a hard concept to understand????


The constitution, including the first amendment, extends to all individuals in our country whether they are here legally or illegally. Some of you have strong opinions based in absolute falsehoods. By all means, carry on though.

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S8-C18-8-7-2/ALDE_00001262/
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infinity ag said:

Arrested for protesting and writing op-eds for Palestine when in the US on a student visa.

When you are in the US as a student, be a student. You don't have citizen rights to protest and make a pest of yourself.

What next? Blow herself up in a busy downtown area?

Tufts student from Turkey detained by masked officers, video shows
https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2025/03/27/rumeysa-ozturk-tufts-student-ice-video/



Quote:

By Niha Masih, Frances Vinall, Julie Yoon and Anumita Kaur

As Tufts University student Rumeysa Ozturk made her way to an interfaith center to break the Ramadan fast Tuesday, plainclothes officers, some masked, descended on her. She screamed as an unmasked officer in a hooded sweatshirt grabbed her, security video shows. Within about a minute, the officers whisked her away in handcuffs.


The widely circulated video of the immigration enforcement officers who Ozturk's lawyer said were from the Department of Homeland Security sent shock waves through Somerville, Massachusetts, with thousands turning out Wednesday in the Boston suburb to demand her release.
Ozturk, a 30-year-old from Turkey, is a Fulbright scholar working on a PhD in child study and human development on an F-1 student visa, her lawyer Mahsa Khanbabai said in an email. "We should all be horrified at the way DHS spirited away Rumeysa in broad daylight," she wrote, adding that Ozturk has not been accused of any crime.



A federal district judge, considering a petition from her lawyer, ordered officers Tuesday not to move the student out of Massachusetts without advance notice. The Immigration and Customs Enforcement detainee locator page showed Ozturk's location as Louisiana late Wednesday. According to a court filing, Immigration and Customs Enforcement had already transferred Ozturk out of the state before the federal judge ordered that she be kept in Massachusetts, the Boston Globe reported.

"DHS and ICE investigations found Ozturk engaged in activities in support of Hamas," DHS said in an emailed statement, without sharing evidence of the claim or responding to questions about the video. It added that "supporting terrorists" is grounds for visa termination.



One can only hope disappeared for no reason whatsoever. No one will miss you.
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from what i gather, this has more to do with due process than anything. and while I see where the court ruled aliens have the rights guaranteed in the constitution, this isn't what they are referring to. I'm no constitutional scholar but reading what you posted, it's clear the link is specific to due process and a right to a fair trial.

for one, they cannot purchase or lawfully possess firearms, vote, and are restricted to countless other things

edit for context:

In 1903, the Court in the Japanese Immigrant Case reviewed the legality of deporting an alien who had lawfully entered the United States, clarifying that an alien who has entered the country, and has become subject in all respects to its jurisdiction, and a part of its population could not be deported without an opportunity to be heard upon the questions involving his right to be and remain in the United States.1 In the decades that followed, the Supreme Court maintained the notion that once an alien lawfully enters and resides in this country he becomes invested with the rights guaranteed by the Constitution to all people within our borders.2

Eventually, the Supreme Court extended these constitutional protections to all aliens within the United States, including those who entered unlawfully, declaring that aliens who have once passed through our gates, even illegally, may be expelled only after proceedings conforming to traditional standards of fairness encompassed in due process of law.3 The Court reasoned that aliens physically present in the United States, regardless of their legal status, are recognized as persons guaranteed due process of law by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.
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The Unforgiven said:

Why do you and democrats care more about non-Americans than Americans? Ya'll care more about non-Americans than your own families. This is all the Left in Western Society.

Show me where it says all non-Americans have the right to be in the US?

A Visa is a privilege. Not a right to be here. She applied for a STUDENT visa, not a PROTEST visa. If you you spend more time protesting than going to school, you're a protestor, not a student.



Isn't that what Dems/Libs do? That is why they sent Trillions of our tax money to foreign countries for nothing.

Just like when you are in the US on a travel visa, you are not supposed to take up a job. She came as a student and was indulging in activism. She is not a US citizen.

OUT!
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W said:

nomad2007 said:

Unless more information comes out on the reasons, I will find it rather over-the-top to use 6 masked, plains-clothes officers to nab her off the streets for violating a student visa.
they have to -- in order to prevent doxxing of the officers

That is a good point. Palestinians are everywhere and many are dangerous.
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W said:

nomad2007 said:

Unless more information comes out on the reasons, I will find it rather over-the-top to use 6 masked, plains-clothes officers to nab her off the streets for violating a student visa.
they have to -- in order to prevent doxxing of the officers


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