I stand with Secretary of State Rubio!!

300 more Hamas terrorists about to find out what happens you FA on a visa.

More, please. https://t.co/Ul3kL1FmQL

— Ilya Shapiro (@ishapiro) March 28, 2025

deddog said:

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I feel like there are some folks in this thread that didn't ever realize the US Gov revokes VISAs and Green Cards for the ****tiest of reasons, including their own mistakes.

It's been happening for years.
You have freedom to speak.
The government can revoke your VISA. If you are on a Visa, choose what you do wisely.

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Yep. Pretty logical.

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Dude, I had a Mustang and for 7 years didn't speed in it. Do you know how hard that is?
Until i got my Green card.

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Thought you just said we should not be letting in people whose cultural values don't align with ours!

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swimmerbabe11 said:

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I'm against police cars with the ghost graphics trying to hide out in ditches to catch speeders too. (they should also have to obey all traffic laws unless they have lights and sirens on too, but that's a different thread) When you agree to join the military/police/LEO of any kind, you are aware of the risks. Retribution has been a risk forever.

On the surface level, this was a college student with a legal visa whose only alleged crime was having opinions, and she was engaged in perfectly lawful activity of going to a place of worship when assaulted by men in hoodies and masks who claimed to be police officers.

That is wild. If I were her I would have been fighting for my life, assuming I was being kidnapped and I would keep fighting until uniformed officers showed up or I was incapacitated. Why would I believe that some strange men in hoodies and masks were cops?

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Yes, I agree the arrest was scary for her. Like a kidnapping

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Of course it was. That was the intent.

Why do you think the Government sent 15 vehicles and 25 SWAT team members to arrest a preacher? Most of the free speech warriors in this thread had no problem with it See https://www.nationalreview.com/news/pro-life-activist-arrested-by-fbi-acquitted-on-federal-charges/

Why do you think the J6 protesters were kept in prison without charges? Again, all quiet from the free speech warriors in this thread.

This is how the US government has always intimidated people, regardless of party.

Why do you think they sent a SWAT team to get Elian Gonzalez?

I am close to someone who worked for Enron. They sent several armed FBI agents to his house. It took him a few months to realize that they knew he was innocent. They were intimidating him right from the start, because they didn't want him testifying for Ken Lay.

The list is long. This is nothing new - doesn't make it right. But its not like we've crossed some new barrier here. This shi$ has been going on forever.

Maybe there will be some new 2A small government folks when this is all said and done. More likely, they will chase the new squirrel that Trump releases.

El Gallo Blanco said:

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deddog said:

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infinity ag said:

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deddog said:

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I feel like there are some folks in this thread that didn't ever realize the US Gov revokes VISAs and Green Cards for the ****tiest of reasons, including their own mistakes.

It's been happening for years.
You have freedom to speak.
The government can revoke your VISA. If you are on a Visa, choose what you do wisely.

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Yep. Pretty logical.

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Dude, I had a Mustang and for 7 years didn't speed in it. Do you know how hard that is?
Until i got my Green card.

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Thought you just said we should not be letting in people whose cultural values don't align with ours!

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I said that , and realized that i probably didn't have American values as a young adult. Those grew on me as I was exposed to them.

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If you accept the premise that she has no right to voice an opinion and the decision to revoke her visa, it would still be the easiest thing in the world to contact her and tell her she no longer has a visa and she has 24 hours or 7 days or whatever to leave the country. This scholar who has been accused of nothing but having an opinion getting ambushed and kidnapped off the street by dudes in hoodies and masks is thuggish terror tactics meant to intimidate anyone who speaks against Israel.

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They were just treating her like Hamas treats Israelis, I don't see why you pro-Philistines are crying about it.

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Last I checked, visas are given out at the host country's discretion and aliens dont have a "right" to be here just because we gave them permission to enter.

The entitlement from this POS "student" in the OP is hilarious. What would happen if I went to Turkey and did the exact same thing she's doing? That is, sympathizing with enemy combatants of the host country lmao. Pretty sure id never be seen again.

She's lucky she's being deported (on taxpayer dime by the way) and not disappeared like her home country and other Muslim countries would.

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THIS IN SPADES!

I am\was heavily involved in sharing the gospel in the ME, 9 years there, 2 years in India, 7 in Japan extended time in Russia and about 7 or so other nation including NK.

The idea that I could go to theses countries and become a political activist at all is insane.

I would of been disappeared so fast!

Even just sharing the gospel is risky enough, but to engage in political activity in favor of the HOST nations declared enemy!!??
Please, I have no right to that and it is clear in the Visa application that I will not engage in political activity or face deportment or imprisonment

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Did you go to these places on a missionary visa? Or did you go on a tourist visa or business visa and then cheat and do missionary work?

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I never cheated, LOL, if I went on a business visa I DID BUSINESS. And never violated the terms of my visa. Even in the ME the Quran has much to say about ISA, Jesus.

Yet if I had been arrested and deported for speaking the gospel I would be good with it. It never happened, and I was not shy about it either.

Chat gpt

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In the U.S., **non-citizens, including those on visas**, can be **removed (deported)** for supporting terrorist organizations. This includes a range of activitiessome that might seem passive. Here's how it breaks down:

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### **Legal Grounds for Removal**

Under the **Immigration and Nationality Act (INA)**, a visa holder can be removed if they:

- **Engage in or incite terrorist activity**
- **Provide material support** to a designated foreign terrorist organization (FTO)
- **Associate or be a member** of such an organization
- **Endorse or espouse** terrorist activity in a way that poses a threat to U.S. safety

Even **fundraising, spreading propaganda, or encouraging violence** on behalf of these groups can qualify.

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### **Material Support** includes things like:
- Donating money or supplies
- Hosting events or providing tech support
- Translating propaganda
- Recruiting or promoting for the group

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### **Who Decides?**
- DHS (Department of Homeland Security) initiates removal proceedings.
- An immigration judge hears the case.
- The **standard of proof is lower** than in a criminal courtmeaning a person can be removed without being criminally convicted.

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### **Important Note**
Even **First Amendment arguments** (free speech) have limits here. If someone is not a citizen and their speech is **reasonably connected to inciting violence or providing support to a terrorist group**, they can be removed.

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If you have a particular kind of activity or group in mind, I can dig into how it would be evaluated legally.

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Furthermore there is a massive difference between me going to a country and sharing who Jesus is and going to a country and engaging in protest or politics on the side of that countries declared enemy.

One things is not like the other Not even close

I hope you weren't a detective if you just now realized that I am not male.

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WATCH 🔴

Marco Rubio on Rumeysa Ozturk, the Turkish student who was detained:

“We revoked her visa. It’s an F-1 visa, I believe. We revoked it, and here’s why—I’ve said it everywhere, and I’ll say it again.

Let me be abundantly clear: If you apply for a student visa to come to… pic.twitter.com/ysnncquYue

— Open Source Intel (@Osint613) March 27, 2025

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I VOTED FOR THIS!!

El Gallo Blanco said:

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deddog said:

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Tom Fox said:

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another lady with long black hair also walks up and makes sure to pull something over her face too.


all in ball caps and hoodies sneaking this whisking this woman off the street for having unsavory opinions. Revoking her visa and sending people after her before she's even notified. Its not normal and shouldn't be normalized.

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Am I talking to a woman?

I'll say it again, the agents that initiated contact did not have their faces covered and were wearing their badges around their necks.

Just because your "feelz" got ruffled, does not make it illegal.

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They are crazy for showing full faces imo. Balls the size of church bells. Hope they can remain anonymous and well hidden fromo the violent psychotic leftists.

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It's not like Democrats have been destroying property, or doxxing folks .

None of the 1A warriors in this thread gave 2 ****s during Covid.
Not a single one.

This fake righteous indignation, fools no one.

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Swimmerbabe is the exception imo. I don't think she was a Covid zealot, and definitely doesn't seem like a left winger.

But yeah, to add to y our point, also almost a direct correlation with those who wanted a lot of us fired for making our own medical decisions.

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I was not a zealot and I'm not left wing. I'm a small government classical conservative. I have been consistent in my views for twenty years.

swimmerbabe11 said:

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I hope you weren't a detective if you just now realized that I am not male.

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I was a federal criminal investigator for 14 years.

And I would never presume someone's gender. But your emotive style of posting along with your username was a dead giveaway.

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The government needs to provide more evidence of her crimes. If this op-ed is her crime, which is a view expressed by many Americans and scholars even, this is horse*****

The first amendment is a constraint on the US government and applies to everyone physically within the US. The most powerful entity in the world should follow due process. Conservatives should know this!

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Those pro-terrorist Americans and 'scholars' are free to move to Hamas-controlled areas to experience the reality of their support.

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swimmerbabe11 said:

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I hope you weren't a detective if you just now realized that I am not male.

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I was a federal criminal investigator for 14 years.

And I would never presume someone's gender. But your emotive style of posting along with your username was a dead giveaway.

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How very progressive of you.

deddog said:

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infinity ag said:

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deddog said:

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I feel like there are some folks in this thread that didn't ever realize the US Gov revokes VISAs and Green Cards for the ****tiest of reasons, including their own mistakes.

It's been happening for years.
You have freedom to speak.
The government can revoke your VISA. If you are on a Visa, choose what you do wisely.

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Yep. Pretty logical.

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Dude, I had a Mustang and for 7 years didn't speed in it. Do you know how hard that is?
Until i got my Green card.

Then i sped to the nearest Social Security office . That's a joke for any DOGE or FBI
guys watching this thread.

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Hey I hope you didn't think I was being sarcastic.

I was not.

I agree with you, you made your case logically and I agree with you.

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infinity ag said:

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OPAG said:

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BenFiasco14 said:

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Last I checked, visas are given out at the host country's discretion and aliens dont have a "right" to be here just because we gave them permission to enter.

The entitlement from this POS "student" in the OP is hilarious. What would happen if I went to Turkey and did the exact same thing she's doing? That is, sympathizing with enemy combatants of the host country lmao. Pretty sure id never be seen again.

She's lucky she's being deported (on taxpayer dime by the way) and not disappeared like her home country and other Muslim countries would.

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THIS IN SPADES!

I am\was heavily involved in sharing the gospel in the ME, 9 years there, 2 years in India, 7 in Japan extended time in Russia and about 7 or so other nation including NK.

The idea that I could go to theses countries and become a political activist at all is insane.

I would of been disappeared so fast!

Even just sharing the gospel is risky enough, but to engage in political activity in favor of the HOST nations declared enemy!!??
Please, I have no right to that and it is clear in the Visa application that I will not engage in political activity or face deportment or imprisonment

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Did you go to these places on a missionary visa? Or did you go on a tourist visa or business visa and then cheat and do missionary work?

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I never cheated, LOL, if I went on a business visa I DID BUSINESS. And never violated the terms of my visa. Even in the ME the Quran has much to say about ISA, Jesus.

Yet if I had been arrested and deported for speaking the gospel I would be good with it. It never happened, and I was not shy about it either.

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So what visa did you go on when you went to India and ME for proselytizing? That was the question.

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Pretty easy to see who the leftists and the marxists and the Hamas terrorists are now. If you support illegal aliens staying in the United States- you are not a patriotic American.

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She wasn't an "illegal alien" she was a Fulbright scholar studying childhood development, who thought she had come to a country where a vigorous exchange of ideas could take place. She was made "illegal" without notice and practically black bag renditioned because of her writing. No doubt she took part in protests too, but so do a zillion other students for a zillion other causes. It was obviously the anti-Israel nature of her opinions that got her singled out and made an example of when she openly and zealously advocated for those opinions. Opinions are permissible only so long as they don't offend the regime.

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It isn't that she's anti-Israel that is the problem, it is that she is pro-terrorist.

If you don't understand the difference, I don't know what to tell you.

swimmerbabe11 said:

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Why were the officers plain clothes/in masks?

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They wanted her to feel comfortable, like she is among her fellow Philistines she loves so much.

The United States must ensure that admitted aliens and aliens otherwise already present in the United States do not bear hostile attitudes toward its citizens, culture, government, institutions, or founding principles, and do not advocate for, aid, or support designated foreign terrorists and other threats to our national security,

Executive Order 14159

So, folks are shocked that it's actually being enforced? Or what?

All of this plain clothes talk is asinine. That is how feds arrest someone low key.

They could have had dudes run up dressed like this jabroni.



My god, can you imagine the whinning and gnashing of teeth if eight of him ran up all Nino Brown style?

Backyard Gator said:

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Actual Talking Thermos said:

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LMCane said:

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Pretty easy to see who the leftists and the marxists and the Hamas terrorists are now. If you support illegal aliens staying in the United States- you are not a patriotic American.

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She wasn't an "illegal alien" she was a Fulbright scholar studying childhood development, who thought she had come to a country where a vigorous exchange of ideas could take place. She was made "illegal" without notice and practically black bag renditioned because of her writing. No doubt she took part in protests too, but so do a zillion other students for a zillion other causes. It was obviously the anti-Israel nature of her opinions that got her singled out and made an example of when she openly and zealously advocated for those opinions. Opinions are permissible only so long as they don't offend the regime.

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It isn't that she's anti-Israel that is the problem, it is that she is pro-terrorist.

If you don't understand the difference, I don't know what to tell you.

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Bingo

Tom Fox said:

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swimmerbabe11 said:

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I hope you weren't a detective if you just now realized that I am not male.

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I was a federal criminal investigator for 14 years.

And I would never presume someone's gender. But your emotive style of posting along with your username was a dead giveaway.

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If you are walking around denying science, then I can't imagine how good/bad you were at your job.

BSS123456 said:

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Those guys weren't protesting for starters, also did she say death to America? I couldn't care less about Israel, I wish they would stop dragging America into their BS.

Also I support all free speech, I support neo Nazis going out and protesting as much as I support pro Hamas to go out and protest. I believe in the first amendment

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Everyone tries to say that, and then realizes limits are needed because unfettered free speech means child pr0n everywhere.

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All of this plain clothes talk is asinine. That is how feds arrest someone low key.

They could have had dudes run up dressed like this jabroni.



My god, can you imagine the whinning and gnashing of teeth if eight of him ran up all Nino Brown style?

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yes must people get this shocking some dont, do they want undercover agents to be in full uniform too? Laughable.

deddog said:

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infinity ag said:

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deddog said:

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I feel like there are some folks in this thread that didn't ever realize the US Gov revokes VISAs and Green Cards for the ****tiest of reasons, including their own mistakes.

It's been happening for years.
You have freedom to speak.
The government can revoke your VISA. If you are on a Visa, choose what you do wisely.

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Yep. Pretty logical.

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Dude, I had a Mustang and for 7 years didn't speed in it. Do you know how hard that is?
Until i got my Green card.

Then i sped to the nearest Social Security office . That's a joke for any DOGE or FBI
guys watching this thread.

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Legit lol.

infinity ag said:

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deddog said:

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infinity ag said:

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deddog said:

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I feel like there are some folks in this thread that didn't ever realize the US Gov revokes VISAs and Green Cards for the ****tiest of reasons, including their own mistakes.

It's been happening for years.
You have freedom to speak.
The government can revoke your VISA. If you are on a Visa, choose what you do wisely.

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Yep. Pretty logical.

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Dude, I had a Mustang and for 7 years didn't speed in it. Do you know how hard that is?
Until i got my Green card.

Then i sped to the nearest Social Security office . That's a joke for any DOGE or FBI
guys watching this thread.

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Hey I hope you didn't think I was being sarcastic.

I was not.

I agree with you, you made your case logically and I agree with you.

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Tom Fox said:

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swimmerbabe11 said:

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I hope you weren't a detective if you just now realized that I am not male.

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I was a federal criminal investigator for 14 years.

And I would never presume someone's gender. But your emotive style of posting along with your username was a dead giveaway.

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If you are walking around denying science, then I can't imagine how good/bad you were at your job.

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It was joke. Lighten up Francis. There are only two genders and you are born knowing what you are. Everything else is a mental illness.

Did you actually believe that I am a woke chauvinist? LMAO.

Backyard Gator said:

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BSS123456 said:

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Those guys weren't protesting for starters, also did she say death to America? I couldn't care less about Israel, I wish they would stop dragging America into their BS.

Also I support all free speech, I support neo Nazis going out and protesting as much as I support pro Hamas to go out and protest. I believe in the first amendment

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Everyone tries to say that, and then realizes limits are needed because unfettered free speech means child pr0n everywhere.

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Child pr0n isn't free speech

HeadGames said:

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I have a hard time believing that the founding fathers created the 2nd amendment, which only applies to US citizens. But the framers were like "but the first applies to everyone, even enemies in the US trying to cause discord."

I don't buy that the first applies to foreign enemies. And I'm happy to see this future terrorist get the boot.

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You are incorrect about 2nd amendment applying to only US citizens. Non-citizens can purchase firearms. Co-worker was one of them. On a work visa was able to purchase semi-auto pistol

Ahhhh, but non-immigrant visa holders are barred from purchasing and owning guns.

Would make sense that non-immigrant visa holders (I.e. Ozturk) can have their free speech infringed as well.

Edit to add: I was incorrect. *She* has free speech rights.

Her *visa* does not. This is clearly laid out in case law. If you are here on a non-immigrant visa, you are here at the sole discretion of the United States government. If they choose to revoke your visa (they did), you can be removed immediately.

infinity ag said:

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OPAG said:

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infinity ag said:

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OPAG said:

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BenFiasco14 said:

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Last I checked, visas are given out at the host country's discretion and aliens dont have a "right" to be here just because we gave them permission to enter.

The entitlement from this POS "student" in the OP is hilarious. What would happen if I went to Turkey and did the exact same thing she's doing? That is, sympathizing with enemy combatants of the host country lmao. Pretty sure id never be seen again.

She's lucky she's being deported (on taxpayer dime by the way) and not disappeared like her home country and other Muslim countries would.

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THIS IN SPADES!

I am\was heavily involved in sharing the gospel in the ME, 9 years there, 2 years in India, 7 in Japan extended time in Russia and about 7 or so other nation including NK.

The idea that I could go to theses countries and become a political activist at all is insane.

I would of been disappeared so fast!

Even just sharing the gospel is risky enough, but to engage in political activity in favor of the HOST nations declared enemy!!??
Please, I have no right to that and it is clear in the Visa application that I will not engage in political activity or face deportment or imprisonment

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Did you go to these places on a missionary visa? Or did you go on a tourist visa or business visa and then cheat and do missionary work?

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I never cheated, LOL, if I went on a business visa I DID BUSINESS. And never violated the terms of my visa. Even in the ME the Quran has much to say about ISA, Jesus.

Yet if I had been arrested and deported for speaking the gospel I would be good with it. It never happened, and I was not shy about it either.

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So what visa did you go on when you went to India and ME for proselytizing? That was the question.

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India was a tourist visa and no and even there I didyviokate the terms of the visa.

(Got a story on that!)

India is secular and there is freedom of religion there (at least legally)

But if I would of gotten involved with politically on the side of PAK over Kashmir that would not have gone well for me.

In the ME I was there on an investor\business visa. And I did both. Still am part of a business there.

Yet, you need to define "proselytizing ".

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HeadGames said:

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I have a hard time believing that the founding fathers created the 2nd amendment, which only applies to US citizens. But the framers were like "but the first applies to everyone, even enemies in the US trying to cause discord."

I don't buy that the first applies to foreign enemies. And I'm happy to see this future terrorist get the boot.

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You are incorrect about 2nd amendment applying to only US citizens. Non-citizens can purchase firearms. Co-worker was one of them. On a work visa was able to purchase semi-auto pistol

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This is wrong. Non immigrant visa holders cannot possess firearms or ammunition. Lawful permanent resident are allowed to possess them. So a student visa holders cannot cannot have them.

i did a ton of digging on this yesterday and last night and can tell you that if your friend ended up with a firearm, it likely wasn't obtained legally.

If he did, I'd love to hear about the loophole he used to get it.

likely he said he got it legally but lied.

there are no loopholes in this law :
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-nonimmigrant-alien-who-has-been-admitted-united-states-under-nonimmigrant-visa-and#:~:text=A%20nonimmigrant%20alien%20without%20residency,take%20possession%20of%20a%20firearm.)

Who?mikejones! said:

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Backyard Gator said:

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BSS123456 said:

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Those guys weren't protesting for starters, also did she say death to America? I couldn't care less about Israel, I wish they would stop dragging America into their BS.

Also I support all free speech, I support neo Nazis going out and protesting as much as I support pro Hamas to go out and protest. I believe in the first amendment

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Everyone tries to say that, and then realizes limits are needed because unfettered free speech means child pr0n everywhere.

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Child pr0n isn't free speech

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Because we have common sense limits on free speech, hence my point that anyone who says "I support all free speech" is FOS.