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Vouchers will do to private school tuition what student loans have done to college and university tuition.

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There is 0 evidence of this in states that have already implemented it.

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I have nothing to refute that but why should someone already with their kids in private be willing to risk it?

And why would they want to create a new entitlement? History has conclusively shown that once implemented, regardless of unintended consequences, it will never go away. In fact, it will continue to grow.

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For the 100th time, it is not a new entitlement. It is restructuring an already existing entitlement that will help transition the market to be able to handle it NOT being an entitlement. It's a necessary step to de-socialize an entire industry.

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How is it not? It is a new billion dollar bill. If it was already existing it would have the funding follow the students.

Unfortunately, this bill does nothing to improve education in the state of Texas. Nada.

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This thing infuriates me, Abbott and Patrick since the beginning of their tenure, reduced the amount of tax dollars given to schools and legislated that into place, like 5-7 years ago. So then he created animosity at the local level when school districts raised taxes to fund the districts. Finally he prevented them from doing so to squeeze public education to allow vouchers to happen, essentially controlling the funding completely to push his voucher agenda. This has been an egregious government interference and party politics allowed it to happen.

This is a millionaire tax break, and a way for his buddy Jeff Yass to make money off kids.

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How is this a millionaires tax break? The bills that I saw were means tested.

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Think it's a pretty easy deduction. Who goes to private schools? Rich kids who's parents don't want them in public education or really poor kids who want out of a bad district.

Push comes to shove who is going to get those vouchers? who controls who gets those vouchers? who controls what private school gets them?

They say they can't raise tuition but I've yet to see the bill but I promise there has to be a way around it, not calling it tuition and calling it maintenance fees due to growth enrollment. If a poor kid has to be an extra 2k to get enrolled it won't happen, thus it falling back to parents with money.

Then it's pretty easy to see the private schools with upper-class kids will somehow get priority in this, and their parents will pay 10k less in fees a year, essentially giving them a tax break.

Plus there is the future i see with the walmart version of private school, and making an enterprise out of it all over the state, especially with a financial analyst and investor of Jeff yass.

This bill is S**T, and abbott is too for what he's done to us to get this through. I'm conservative, but this, this is crap. This is government overreach at it's finest.

also sid miller's gotta go too. He's pro voucher, while he sat an AG Teachers conference and expressed how great and important educators are. Guys full of it.

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Vouchers will do to private school tuition what student loans have done to college and university tuition.

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There is 0 evidence of this in states that have already implemented it.

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I have nothing to refute that but why should someone already with their kids in private be willing to risk it?

And why would they want to create a new entitlement? History has conclusively shown that once implemented, regardless of unintended consequences, it will never go away. In fact, it will continue to grow.

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For the 100th time, it is not a new entitlement. It is restructuring an already existing entitlement that will help transition the market to be able to handle it NOT being an entitlement. It's a necessary step to de-socialize an entire industry.

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For the 100TH time! It is means tested!!! That is an entitlement. You already have access to the private school market. Use it.

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Phatbob said:

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Vouchers will do to private school tuition what student loans have done to college and university tuition.

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There is 0 evidence of this in states that have already implemented it.

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I have nothing to refute that but why should someone already with their kids in private be willing to risk it?

And why would they want to create a new entitlement? History has conclusively shown that once implemented, regardless of unintended consequences, it will never go away. In fact, it will continue to grow.

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For the 100th time, it is not a new entitlement. It is restructuring an already existing entitlement that will help transition the market to be able to handle it NOT being an entitlement. It's a necessary step to de-socialize an entire industry.

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How is it not? It is a new billion dollar bill. If it was already existing it would have the funding follow the students.

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I agree it would be much better for the money to follow the student, but the entitlement is government funded education. If you they raised the funding for existing public schools, you wouldn't call that a new entitlement. It's spending more on the same entitlement, but at least it is doing it in a way that expands the capacity to cut public schools out of the picture. It's not perfect, for sure, but it's a step in the right direction.

The problem with your assertion is that it is means tested.

My kids go to private school. I do not want this program.

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Phatbob said:

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Vouchers will do to private school tuition what student loans have done to college and university tuition.

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There is 0 evidence of this in states that have already implemented it.

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I have nothing to refute that but why should someone already with their kids in private be willing to risk it?

And why would they want to create a new entitlement? History has conclusively shown that once implemented, regardless of unintended consequences, it will never go away. In fact, it will continue to grow.

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For the 100th time, it is not a new entitlement. It is restructuring an already existing entitlement that will help transition the market to be able to handle it NOT being an entitlement. It's a necessary step to de-socialize an entire industry.

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How is it not? It is a new billion dollar bill. If it was already existing it would have the funding follow the students.

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I agree it would be much better for the money to follow the student, but the entitlement is government funded education. If you they raised the funding for existing public schools, you wouldn't call that a new entitlement. It's spending more on the same entitlement, but at least it is doing it in a way that expands the capacity to cut public schools out of the picture. It's not perfect, for sure, but it's a step in the right direction.

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I do not want to spend more on the same entitlement. We already spend more than we should.

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You brought up state universities. Those are analogues to state public schools and I have zero issue with the state choosing to fund those PUBLIC entities. Now if by some reason, A&M and tu became crappy and now SMU, TCU, and Baylor were the elite universities in Texas, I would absolutely have a problem with the state providing means tested vouchers to send kids to those private universities.

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In that example, you benefitted from something you did not completely pay for. That's an entitlement per your own definition. You said "survive on your own", which you would not have done if you attended a state U. Taxpayers helped pay for the benefit you received!

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Do I itemize my taxes? Yes. Agin your reasoning is flawed just like the person arguing that the over 65 property tax freeze is an entitlement. Tax deductions from my individual earnings allowing me to keep more of my OWN money are not entitlements

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So as long as you get only what you would have paid in taxes, even though everyone doesn't get it, that is not an entitlement per you. If a person uses public ed, most are getting a lot more than their taxes pay for. To me, it's an entitlement if its exclusive, even if it's a tax reduction.

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Edit: I did take a student loan for law school. I get the entitlement of paying $3.5k per month for the past 9 years. Hoorah. I have no issue with student loans as long as they are paid back in full.

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The entitlement was deferred interest and payments!

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Listen, I want the government to give zero dollars to fund individual family needs. Zip. Zilch. Nada.

Only pay for infrastructure, national defense, emergency services, diplomacy and the like. And everybody pays the exact same tax rate.

I do not want any entitlements. Any of them.

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The problem with your assertion is that it is means tested.

My kids go to private school. I do not want this program.

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1. i don't either
2. Why are we arguing? Are you saying im wrong? I'm not.

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Vouchers will do to private school tuition what student loans have done to college and university tuition.

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There is 0 evidence of this in states that have already implemented it.

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I have nothing to refute that but why should someone already with their kids in private be willing to risk it?

And why would they want to create a new entitlement? History has conclusively shown that once implemented, regardless of unintended consequences, it will never go away. In fact, it will continue to grow.

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For the 100th time, it is not a new entitlement. It is restructuring an already existing entitlement that will help transition the market to be able to handle it NOT being an entitlement. It's a necessary step to de-socialize an entire industry.

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For the 100TH time! It is means tested!!! That is an entitlement. You already have access to the private school market. Use it.

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The private market is not capable of handling that much growth all at once. You want the perfect solution of 100% private education. I am in agreement with you on that. It is not something that can be accomplished in one fell swoop. Hell, look at the effect of 2020 on kids, and imagine the disruption of that happening times 20, you're talking about writing off half a generation of kids.

Transition from public to private at a speed where it can handle it. That means it has to be limited, and means testing is the way they have chosen to do it.

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Vouchers will do to private school tuition what student loans have done to college and university tuition.

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There is 0 evidence of this in states that have already implemented it.

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I have nothing to refute that but why should someone already with their kids in private be willing to risk it?

And why would they want to create a new entitlement? History has conclusively shown that once implemented, regardless of unintended consequences, it will never go away. In fact, it will continue to grow.

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For the 100th time, it is not a new entitlement. It is restructuring an already existing entitlement that will help transition the market to be able to handle it NOT being an entitlement. It's a necessary step to de-socialize an entire industry.

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For the 100TH time! It is means tested!!! That is an entitlement. You already have access to the private school market. Use it.

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The private market is not capable of handling that much growth all at once. You want the perfect solution of 100% private education. I am in agreement with you on that. It is not something that can be accomplished in one fell swoop. Hell, look at the effect of 2020 on kids, and imagine the disruption of that happening times 20, you're talking about writing off half a generation of kids.

Transition from public to private at a speed where it can handle it. That means it has to be limited, and means testing is the way they have chosen to do it.

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I agree with you that 100% privatization is the ideal solution and that a rapid influx of student would be less than ideal.

What is preventing the people that want to utilize the private school market from doing so already? I think the answer to that question is where we are going to part ways.

I really had hopes that this was going to be a real voucher program . As in I get a refund from county appraisal district for the portion of funds collected for the isd. Then I use that for education how I see fit. Private? Public? Home? This would be a true " tax money follows the child " program.

I refuse to have the state education apparatus tell me how much I can get back from my property tax bill.

The current " voucher " program is absolutely light years from where it needs to be.

This is an almost meaningless 1/16th step in right direction.

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Vouchers will do to private school tuition what student loans have done to college and university tuition.

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There is 0 evidence of this in states that have already implemented it.

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I have nothing to refute that but why should someone already with their kids in private be willing to risk it?

And why would they want to create a new entitlement? History has conclusively shown that once implemented, regardless of unintended consequences, it will never go away. In fact, it will continue to grow.

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For the 100th time, it is not a new entitlement. It is restructuring an already existing entitlement that will help transition the market to be able to handle it NOT being an entitlement. It's a necessary step to de-socialize an entire industry.

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For the 100TH time! It is means tested!!! That is an entitlement. You already have access to the private school market. Use it.

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The private market is not capable of handling that much growth all at once. You want the perfect solution of 100% private education. I am in agreement with you on that. It is not something that can be accomplished in one fell swoop. Hell, look at the effect of 2020 on kids, and imagine the disruption of that happening times 20, you're talking about writing off half a generation of kids.

Transition from public to private at a speed where it can handle it. That means it has to be limited, and means testing is the way they have chosen to do it.

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I agree with you that 100% privatization is the ideal solution and that are rapid influx of student would be less than ideal.

What is preventing the people that want to utilize the private school market from doing so already? I think the answer to that question is where we are going to part ways.

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Simple economics. School taxes are a sunk cost at that level, so for a family making that decision, it is either add $500 per child minimum to their monthly bills or send them to the "free" public school. If you make that decision based on the merits of the school instead of misleading the cost of the service, people can make a much better decision. This essentially makes both products a sunk cost, which is also not ideal, but allows for more equal service comparison.

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Okay, that makes sense. Most of those districts still need teachers, they just can't afford to pay for them.

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That's correct.

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I really had hopes that this was going to be a real voucher program . As in I get a refund from county appraisal district for the portion of funds collected for the isd. Then I use that for education how I see fit. Private? Public? Home? This would be a true " tax money follows the child " program.

I refuse to have the state education apparatus tell me how much I can get back from my property tax bill.

The current " voucher " program is absolutely light years from where it needs to be.

This is an almost meaningless 1/16th step in right direction.

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Bingo!

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I really had hopes that this was going to be a real voucher program . As in I get a refund from county appraisal district for the portion of funds collected for the isd. Then I use that for education how I see fit. Private? Public? Home? This would be a true " tax money follows the child " program.

I refuse to have the state education apparatus tell me how much I can get back from my property tax bill.

The current " voucher " program is absolutely light years from where it needs to be.

This is an almost meaningless 1/16th step in right direction.

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Bingo!

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Most do not want that because they do not pay enough in ISD taxes to be able to pay for Johnny and Susie to attend private school with their ISD tax refund.

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I really had hopes that this was going to be a real voucher program . As in I get a refund from county appraisal district for the portion of funds collected for the isd. Then I use that for education how I see fit. Private? Public? Home? This would be a true " tax money follows the child " program.

I refuse to have the state education apparatus tell me how much I can get back from my property tax bill.

The current " voucher " program is absolutely light years from where it needs to be.

This is an almost meaningless 1/16th step in right direction.

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Bingo!

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Most do not want that because they do not pay enough in ISD taxes to be able to pay for Johnny and Susie to attend private school with their ISD tax refund.

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Because people have Corvette dreams on a used Kia budget…

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Abbott and Patrick are the ones who care about Texas students and taxpayers.

Hth

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You mean the one guy who wants to give millions of taxpayer dollars to Hollywood to start making movies in Texas and the other guy who shut down businesses during the plandemic and only decided vouchers were an emergency item after getting $12 million in donations from a Pennsylvania billionaire? Those 2 guys are the ones looking out for taxpayers?

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Vouchers will do to private school tuition what student loans have done to college and university tuition.

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There is 0 evidence of this in states that have already implemented it.

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I have nothing to refute that but why should someone already with their kids in private be willing to risk it?

And why would they want to create a new entitlement? History has conclusively shown that once implemented, regardless of unintended consequences, it will never go away. In fact, it will continue to grow.

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For the 100th time, it is not a new entitlement. It is restructuring an already existing entitlement that will help transition the market to be able to handle it NOT being an entitlement. It's a necessary step to de-socialize an entire industry.

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How is creating a new fund not creating a new entitlement? The old fund isn't disappearing; in fact, the House passed an $8B increase to it just yesterday. If we were just sifting funds around within the same budget, fine, but that's not what's happened.

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Vouchers will do to private school tuition what student loans have done to college and university tuition.

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There is 0 evidence of this in states that have already implemented it.

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I have nothing to refute that but why should someone already with their kids in private be willing to risk it?

And why would they want to create a new entitlement? History has conclusively shown that once implemented, regardless of unintended consequences, it will never go away. In fact, it will continue to grow.

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For the 100th time, it is not a new entitlement. It is restructuring an already existing entitlement that will help transition the market to be able to handle it NOT being an entitlement. It's a necessary step to de-socialize an entire industry.

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For the 100TH time! It is means tested!!! That is an entitlement. You already have access to the private school market. Use it.

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The private market is not capable of handling that much growth all at once. You want the perfect solution of 100% private education. I am in agreement with you on that. It is not something that can be accomplished in one fell swoop. Hell, look at the effect of 2020 on kids, and imagine the disruption of that happening times 20, you're talking about writing off half a generation of kids.

Transition from public to private at a speed where it can handle it. That means it has to be limited, and means testing is the way they have chosen to do it.

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You mean transition private to public.

What the government funds, the government controls (I know there is a catchy saying but this is more impactful). SB2 comes with control; it is now a first step in turning private entities public, not public education private.

The only way to truly move to full parental (funding) control is by not taking our taxes in the first place. Let us write our own checks to the schools of our choice.

It would probably be a lot more effective to "fix schools" by punishing the crap parents with required education(time) or even small fines. Any human without disability can pass K - 12, learn to read..etc. Those who don't aren't held accountable at home so hold the specific home accountable not all tax payers.

There is no magic good school's, private or otherwise. Pick the worst performing ISDs and put them in the best private schools and results won't change

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Abbott and Patrick are the ones who care about Texas students and taxpayers.

Hth

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You mean the one guy who wants to give millions of taxpayer dollars to Hollywood to start making movies in Texas and the other guy who shut down businesses during the plandemic and only decided vouchers were an emergency item after getting $12 million in donations from a Pennsylvania billionaire? Those 2 guys are the ones looking out for taxpayers?

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Spot on, my friend.

That is exactly right.

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Abbott and Patrick are the ones who care about Texas students and taxpayers.

Hth

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You mean the one guy who wants to give millions of taxpayer dollars to Hollywood to start making movies in Texas and the other guy who shut down businesses during the plandemic and only decided vouchers were an emergency item after getting $12 million in donations from a Pennsylvania billionaire? Those 2 guys are the ones looking out for taxpayers?

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Compared to the ****sticks who continually give the democrat party control of the Texas House and obstruct Texans' legislative priorities? Yes, without question.

Is that what they did last night? Because what I saw is a bunch of scared republicans blocking a referendum to put vouchers on the ballot to let the people decide, and then ignoring their constituents and ramming a crappy bill through that's just one giant entitlement for the rich, because their governor threatened them with a primary opponent.

I guess I missed the part of ceding control of the House to democrats lol.

I've been a fan of school choice/vouchers since I was in elementary school 30 years ago. I've been waiting for this day forever. But what a huge disappointment reading through the bill is.

• 80% of the program spots are reserved for low-income families currently enrolled in the public school system.
• No flat rate, equal voucher for all students, but means-tested.
• No refund of school taxes, but instead an increase in public school funding and creation of a new funding mandate.
• No mechanism, free market or otherwise, to improve failing public schools.
• Result is bigger, not smaller government.

I am still reading through this, but I agree with others that this appears to be a new welfare program, not school choice.

I still don't understand how Texas is going to be different than any other state passing school choice. Not much ever changed in those states. Not much will change in this state. This is all just hand wringing and demanding that other parents keep their good kid in a failing school system alongside their own kid. Or a realization that half of their home value is related to being zoned to the one 'good' school in an area.

Overwhelmingly, parents do not care about the quality of education for their kids. Full stop. Educational concern is an small subset of all parents sending all kids to school. Look how many bad schools there are in a city. They outnumber the good schools 15 to 1. Ask a random public school parent if they've even heard of what classical education even encompasses. The public schools will still be packed to the rafters with kids who will put up with terrible outcomes, terrible classmates, and terrible leadership.

How many public school parents are willing to skip the annual vacation so their kids have a better shot at receiving a high quality education? Reduce or increase work hours to make the ends and pick up times meet? Private schools will see a small uptick in applications among parents who aren't willing to make as many sacrifices as those who pay up before this bill comes online. But the second you start seeing 15k-20k a kid being knocked down to 8-12k per kid its still going to be a hard no on a huge amount of parents. Public schools have shifted the parental mindset to demand absolute top 99th percentile outcomes for free. What other system in this world gives those kinds of results - for free? None. Private schools will always provide a better product than public schools for the same reason private healthcare will always provide better outcomes than public healthcare. The demands of the masses are to bring everyone off bottom, this is at odds with the demands of the top performers wanting to move even faster.

I wish Texas would actually reduce their state burden of testing and simplify their funding methods. Let school districts compete for better students, better teachers and embrace less scantron testing.

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Is that what they did last night? Because what I saw is a bunch of scared republicans blocking a referendum to put vouchers on the ballot to let the people decide, and then ignoring their constituents and ramming a crappy bill through that's just one giant entitlement for the rich, because their governor threatened them with a primary opponent.

I guess I missed the part of ceding control of the House to democrats lol.

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I thought the people voted for their reps who ran on choice?!

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Is that what they did last night? Because what I saw is a bunch of scared republicans blocking a referendum to put vouchers on the ballot to let the people decide, and then ignoring their constituents and ramming a crappy bill through that's just one giant entitlement for the rich, because their governor threatened them with a primary opponent.

I guess I missed the part of ceding control of the House to democrats lol.

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I thought the people voted for their reps who ran on choice?!

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The did, half of this thread is people who have lost their minds. A ton of republicans got sent packing last election for voting against school choice.

The only reason this bill has slowed down is because a group of RINOS broke rank and made a majority with the democrats and have stalled this.

I hope they all get ousted next election.

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Is that what they did last night? Because what I saw is a bunch of scared republicans blocking a referendum to put vouchers on the ballot to let the people decide, and then ignoring their constituents and ramming a crappy bill through that's just one giant entitlement for the rich, because their governor threatened them with a primary opponent.

I guess I missed the part of ceding control of the House to democrats lol.

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I thought the people voted for their reps who ran on choice?!

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That's rich. Most of those you're saying "ran on choice" didn't even list that on their platform. If they did, it was at the bottom. It wasn't even discussed in my district, hotly contested D21.

On an issue that large, that fundamentally changes the public school system for decades to come, it should be on the ballot. If you think the way this all went down was appropriate, then there's no point in even discussing it. Like I've said here many times, if it goes on the ballot and the people of Texas vote for it, I have zero problem with it and would not say another word about it.

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I've been a fan of school choice/vouchers since I was in elementary school 30 years ago. I've been waiting for this day forever. But what a huge disappointment reading through the bill is.

• 80% of the program spots are reserved for low-income families currently enrolled in the public school system.
• No flat rate, equal voucher for all students, but means-tested.
• No refund of school taxes, but instead an increase in public school funding and creation of a new funding mandate.
• No mechanism, free market or otherwise, to improve failing public schools.
• Result is bigger, not smaller government.

I am still reading through this, but I agree with others that this appears to be a new welfare program, not school choice.

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This is because the groups that actually control this bill are democrats and republicans who don't want to give up their public school gravy train.

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Compared to the ****sticks who continually give the democrat party control of the Texas House and obstruct Texans' legislative priorities? Yes, without question.

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If that's the case then maybe we don't really have anyone looking out for the citizens and tax payers.

Instead of blindly following people, why not try holding them accountable for the perpetual waste of our money?

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Is that what they did last night? Because what I saw is a bunch of scared republicans blocking a referendum to put vouchers on the ballot to let the people decide, and then ignoring their constituents and ramming a crappy bill through that's just one giant entitlement for the rich, because their governor threatened them with a primary opponent.

I guess I missed the part of ceding control of the House to democrats lol.

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I thought the people voted for their reps who ran on choice?!

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That's rich. Most of those you're saying "ran on choice" didn't even list that on their platform. If they did, it was at the bottom. It wasn't even discussed in my district, hotly contested D21.

On an issue that large, that fundamentally changes the public school system for decades to come, it should be on the ballot. If you think the way this all went down was appropriate, then there's no point in even discussing it. Like I've said here many times, if it goes on the ballot and the people of Texas vote for it, I have zero problem with it and would not say another word about it.

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How were those Rs able to oust the incumbents then?! What did they promise if it wasn't vouchers?!

Everyone was aware of it! That was the entire reason for the push to primary the reps.

This went before the people and the people spoke!


eta: so you're saying the incumbent also didn't say a word either and make it a major issue!!!! LOLOLOL

Multiple choice tests/assessments need to go the way of the Dodo bird.

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Is that what they did last night? Because what I saw is a bunch of scared republicans blocking a referendum to put vouchers on the ballot to let the people decide, and then ignoring their constituents and ramming a crappy bill through that's just one giant entitlement for the rich, because their governor threatened them with a primary opponent.

I guess I missed the part of ceding control of the House to democrats lol.

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I thought the people voted for their reps who ran on choice?!

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That's rich. Most of those you're saying "ran on choice" didn't even list that on their platform. If they did, it was at the bottom. It wasn't even discussed in my district, hotly contested D21.

On an issue that large, that fundamentally changes the public school system for decades to come, it should be on the ballot. If you think the way this all went down was appropriate, then there's no point in even discussing it. Like I've said here many times, if it goes on the ballot and the people of Texas vote for it, I have zero problem with it and would not say another word about it.

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How were those Rs able to oust the incumbents then?! What did they promise if it wasn't vouchers?!

Everyone was aware of it! That was the entire reason for the push to primary the reps.

This went before the people and the people spoke!

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They used millions of outside money, tried to paint their opponent as soft on the border and pro-trans. David Covey (who lost in D21) was given $700.000 by Abbott alone. He never even uttered the words "school choice".