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Is that what they did last night? Because what I saw is a bunch of scared republicans blocking a referendum to put vouchers on the ballot to let the people decide, and then ignoring their constituents and ramming a crappy bill through that's just one giant entitlement for the rich, because their governor threatened them with a primary opponent.

I guess I missed the part of ceding control of the House to democrats lol.

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I thought the people voted for their reps who ran on choice?!

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That's rich. Most of those you're saying "ran on choice" didn't even list that on their platform. If they did, it was at the bottom. It wasn't even discussed in my district, hotly contested D21.

On an issue that large, that fundamentally changes the public school system for decades to come, it should be on the ballot. If you think the way this all went down was appropriate, then there's no point in even discussing it. Like I've said here many times, if it goes on the ballot and the people of Texas vote for it, I have zero problem with it and would not say another word about it.

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How were those Rs able to oust the incumbents then?! What did they promise if it wasn't vouchers?!

Everyone was aware of it! That was the entire reason for the push to primary the reps.

This went before the people and the people spoke!

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They used millions of outside money, tried to paint their opponent as soft on the border and pro-trans. David Covey (who lost in D21) was given $700.000 by Abbott alone. He never even uttered the words "school choice".

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And the incumbent didn't either!!!!

LOL. completely unbelievable!

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Vouchers will do to private school tuition what student loans have done to college and university tuition.

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There is 0 evidence of this in states that have already implemented it.

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I have nothing to refute that but why should someone already with their kids in private be willing to risk it?

And why would they want to create a new entitlement? History has conclusively shown that once implemented, regardless of unintended consequences, it will never go away. In fact, it will continue to grow.

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For the 100th time, it is not a new entitlement. It is restructuring an already existing entitlement that will help transition the market to be able to handle it NOT being an entitlement. It's a necessary step to de-socialize an entire industry.

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For the 100TH time! It is means tested!!! That is an entitlement. You already have access to the private school market. Use it.

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The private market is not capable of handling that much growth all at once. You want the perfect solution of 100% private education. I am in agreement with you on that. It is not something that can be accomplished in one fell swoop. Hell, look at the effect of 2020 on kids, and imagine the disruption of that happening times 20, you're talking about writing off half a generation of kids.

Transition from public to private at a speed where it can handle it. That means it has to be limited, and means testing is the way they have chosen to do it.

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You mean transition private to public.

What the government funds, the government controls (I know there is a catchy saying but this is more impactful). SB2 comes with control; it is now a first step in turning private entities public, not public education private.

The only way to truly move to full parental (funding) control is by not taking our taxes in the first place. Let us write our own checks to the schools of our choice.

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That is a great idea, but also, make those changes, then. This is not supposed to be a single fix-all. More than just vouchers need to happen for this to work. Remove the language from the Texas Constitution that education is the job of the state for one. I don't hear any of you who are against school vouchers because they don't want the government paying for it saying anything about changing that, even though that HAS to be done for any of this to work. Vouchers just lays the groundwork for the private sector to build up the infrastructure to handle more of the load, and improves the options for individual families in the meantime.

You can't rail against the existing system and also rail against the actual things that have to happen in order to realistically change the status quo. Unless, of course, you just want the status quo, which is what I have suspected for a while now.

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Is that what they did last night? Because what I saw is a bunch of scared republicans blocking a referendum to put vouchers on the ballot to let the people decide, and then ignoring their constituents and ramming a crappy bill through that's just one giant entitlement for the rich, because their governor threatened them with a primary opponent.

I guess I missed the part of ceding control of the House to democrats lol.

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I thought the people voted for their reps who ran on choice?!

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That's rich. Most of those you're saying "ran on choice" didn't even list that on their platform. If they did, it was at the bottom. It wasn't even discussed in my district, hotly contested D21.

On an issue that large, that fundamentally changes the public school system for decades to come, it should be on the ballot. If you think the way this all went down was appropriate, then there's no point in even discussing it. Like I've said here many times, if it goes on the ballot and the people of Texas vote for it, I have zero problem with it and would not say another word about it.

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How were those Rs able to oust the incumbents then?! What did they promise if it wasn't vouchers?!

Everyone was aware of it! That was the entire reason for the push to primary the reps.

This went before the people and the people spoke!

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They used millions of outside money, tried to paint their opponent as soft on the border and pro-trans. David Covey (who lost in D21) was given $700.000 by Abbott alone. He never even uttered the words "school choice".

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And the incumbent didn't either!!!!

LOL. completely unbelievable!

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Right. That's what I just said. It wasn't even a focal point of the primary. The opponent took the money, and ran a dirty smear campaign on the incumbent. Neither one mentioned school choice.

So don't act like that was the focus of the primary campaigns. It was the focus of Abbott/Patrick/and the Super PACs. They went after the rural GOP reps that stood in the way of vouchers with millions of outside money, but didn't even campaign on it. It was all by design.

So why are you afraid of putting it on the ballot?

Responding to criticism on his FB post, more from @JeffBarryforTX. #txlege https://t.co/iiYDf9jBW8 pic.twitter.com/4ngfydYOsF

— Brad Johnson (@bradj_TX) April 17, 2025

I doubt this will turn out to be the mass exodus of kids from "bad schools" to "good/private" schools that people think it will. There's only so much room.

No doubt there are forms being made and concrete ready to be poured for the new private schools that will blossom at the prospects of making a fortune in the education field.

Abbot and the RINO's have once again hoodwinked the voters that put them in office.

This bill will not do anything to improve educational outcomes.

As others have stated, this is a "Vendor" hand out. Nothing more than TX GOP money laundering.

Take a look at ISD's balance sheets over the last 25 yrs.

How much have "Educational Services" expense gone up?

Who is providing these "services"?

How much are they donating to Abbot and TX GOP?

As always, follow the money...

So Representative Barry, just publicly admitted, that he was strong-armed/blackmailed by the governor to vote for it…against the will of his constituents . That's how the crap went down.

That's why Abbott and his cronies refused to allow it on the ballot. It's a losing issue that they could only get across the finish line with Chicago style politics.

In almost every case, the move to private schools leads to the deterioration of public schools. I believe this will be the start of that trend. It will however be a long road. This bill will only assist 100k students. And my educated guess is that a large majority of those will be children already enrolled in private education.

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Is that what they did last night? Because what I saw is a bunch of scared republicans blocking a referendum to put vouchers on the ballot to let the people decide, and then ignoring their constituents and ramming a crappy bill through that's just one giant entitlement for the rich, because their governor threatened them with a primary opponent.

I guess I missed the part of ceding control of the House to democrats lol.

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I thought the people voted for their reps who ran on choice?!

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That's rich. Most of those you're saying "ran on choice" didn't even list that on their platform. If they did, it was at the bottom. It wasn't even discussed in my district, hotly contested D21.

On an issue that large, that fundamentally changes the public school system for decades to come, it should be on the ballot. If you think the way this all went down was appropriate, then there's no point in even discussing it. Like I've said here many times, if it goes on the ballot and the people of Texas vote for it, I have zero problem with it and would not say another word about it.

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How were those Rs able to oust the incumbents then?! What did they promise if it wasn't vouchers?!

Everyone was aware of it! That was the entire reason for the push to primary the reps.

This went before the people and the people spoke!

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They used millions of outside money, tried to paint their opponent as soft on the border and pro-trans. David Covey (who lost in D21) was given $700.000 by Abbott alone. He never even uttered the words "school choice".

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And the incumbent didn't either!!!!

LOL. completely unbelievable!

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Right. That's what I just said. It wasn't even a focal point of the primary. The opponent took the money, and ran a dirty smear campaign on the incumbent. Neither one mentioned school choice.

So don't act like that was the focus of the primary campaigns. It was the focus of Abbott/Patrick/and the Super PACs. They went after the rural GOP reps that stood in the way of vouchers with millions of outside money, but didn't even campaign on it. It was all by design.

So why are you afraid of putting it on the ballot?

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I will add that those that challenged the incumbent anti-voucher republicans last fall had the full weight of the Trump Train behind them as well, on top of the Abbott onslaught. So yeah, as people were foaming at the mouth to vote in DJT, they also took note of who he "supported" in these key district races.

Our district specifically ran someone who's daughter (Brooke Rollins) is now the Sec of Ag in the Trump Administration. Lots of shenanigans on top of low information voters.

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No doubt there are forms being made and concrete ready to be poured for the new private schools that will blossom at the prospects of making a fortune in the education field.

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There are gobs of space unused during the week and ready to go right now. That's not a limiting factor.

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Is that what they did last night? Because what I saw is a bunch of scared republicans blocking a referendum to put vouchers on the ballot to let the people decide, and then ignoring their constituents and ramming a crappy bill through that's just one giant entitlement for the rich, because their governor threatened them with a primary opponent.

I guess I missed the part of ceding control of the House to democrats lol.

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I thought the people voted for their reps who ran on choice?!

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That's rich. Most of those you're saying "ran on choice" didn't even list that on their platform. If they did, it was at the bottom. It wasn't even discussed in my district, hotly contested D21.

On an issue that large, that fundamentally changes the public school system for decades to come, it should be on the ballot. If you think the way this all went down was appropriate, then there's no point in even discussing it. Like I've said here many times, if it goes on the ballot and the people of Texas vote for it, I have zero problem with it and would not say another word about it.

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How were those Rs able to oust the incumbents then?! What did they promise if it wasn't vouchers?!

Everyone was aware of it! That was the entire reason for the push to primary the reps.

This went before the people and the people spoke!

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They used millions of outside money, tried to paint their opponent as soft on the border and pro-trans. David Covey (who lost in D21) was given $700.000 by Abbott alone. He never even uttered the words "school choice".

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And the incumbent didn't either!!!!

LOL. completely unbelievable!

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Right. That's what I just said. It wasn't even a focal point of the primary. The opponent took the money, and ran a dirty smear campaign on the incumbent. Neither one mentioned school choice.

So don't act like that was the focus of the primary campaigns. It was the focus of Abbott/Patrick/and the Super PACs. They went after the rural GOP reps that stood in the way of vouchers with millions of outside money, but didn't even campaign on it. It was all by design.

So why are you afraid of putting it on the ballot?

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No, you said the challenger didn't mention it and thus no one knew about it! It was a covert op by Abbott and the challengers!

The incumbents knew about it!!! But you want us to believe they never brought it up either but had they brought it up, they would not have lost because the people were opposed to it.

Ridiculous!

Most voters are not very intelligent.

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Is that what they did last night? Because what I saw is a bunch of scared republicans blocking a referendum to put vouchers on the ballot to let the people decide, and then ignoring their constituents and ramming a crappy bill through that's just one giant entitlement for the rich, because their governor threatened them with a primary opponent.

I guess I missed the part of ceding control of the House to democrats lol.

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I thought the people voted for their reps who ran on choice?!

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That's rich. Most of those you're saying "ran on choice" didn't even list that on their platform. If they did, it was at the bottom. It wasn't even discussed in my district, hotly contested D21.

On an issue that large, that fundamentally changes the public school system for decades to come, it should be on the ballot. If you think the way this all went down was appropriate, then there's no point in even discussing it. Like I've said here many times, if it goes on the ballot and the people of Texas vote for it, I have zero problem with it and would not say another word about it.

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How were those Rs able to oust the incumbents then?! What did they promise if it wasn't vouchers?!

Everyone was aware of it! That was the entire reason for the push to primary the reps.

This went before the people and the people spoke!

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They used millions of outside money, tried to paint their opponent as soft on the border and pro-trans. David Covey (who lost in D21) was given $700.000 by Abbott alone. He never even uttered the words "school choice".

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And the incumbent didn't either!!!!

LOL. completely unbelievable!

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Right. That's what I just said. It wasn't even a focal point of the primary. The opponent took the money, and ran a dirty smear campaign on the incumbent. Neither one mentioned school choice.

So don't act like that was the focus of the primary campaigns. It was the focus of Abbott/Patrick/and the Super PACs. They went after the rural GOP reps that stood in the way of vouchers with millions of outside money, but didn't even campaign on it. It was all by design.

So why are you afraid of putting it on the ballot?

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No, you said the challenger didn't mention it and thus no one knew about it! It was a covert op by Abbott and the challengers!

The incumbents knew about it!!! But you want us to believe they never brought it up either but had they brought it up, they would not have lost because the people were opposed to it.

Ridiculous!

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Where did I ever say "no one knew about it"? I said it wasn't part of their campaign, and if it was part of their platform it was at the bottom. In my district and the ones around me, it wasn't even mentioned by either candidate. You're acting like that's the sole reason the primary opponents won and the leading issue they ran on. That's a lie, sir and you've been played.

And while you're putting words in my mouth, do you care to answer the question?

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Is that what they did last night? Because what I saw is a bunch of scared republicans blocking a referendum to put vouchers on the ballot to let the people decide, and then ignoring their constituents and ramming a crappy bill through that's just one giant entitlement for the rich, because their governor threatened them with a primary opponent.

I guess I missed the part of ceding control of the House to democrats lol.

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I thought the people voted for their reps who ran on choice?!

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That's rich. Most of those you're saying "ran on choice" didn't even list that on their platform. If they did, it was at the bottom. It wasn't even discussed in my district, hotly contested D21.

On an issue that large, that fundamentally changes the public school system for decades to come, it should be on the ballot. If you think the way this all went down was appropriate, then there's no point in even discussing it. Like I've said here many times, if it goes on the ballot and the people of Texas vote for it, I have zero problem with it and would not say another word about it.

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How were those Rs able to oust the incumbents then?! What did they promise if it wasn't vouchers?!

Everyone was aware of it! That was the entire reason for the push to primary the reps.

This went before the people and the people spoke!

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They used millions of outside money, tried to paint their opponent as soft on the border and pro-trans. David Covey (who lost in D21) was given $700.000 by Abbott alone. He never even uttered the words "school choice".

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And the incumbent didn't either!!!!

LOL. completely unbelievable!

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Right. That's what I just said. It wasn't even a focal point of the primary. The opponent took the money, and ran a dirty smear campaign on the incumbent. Neither one mentioned school choice.

So don't act like that was the focus of the primary campaigns. It was the focus of Abbott/Patrick/and the Super PACs. They went after the rural GOP reps that stood in the way of vouchers with millions of outside money, but didn't even campaign on it. It was all by design.

So why are you afraid of putting it on the ballot?

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I will add that those that challenged the incumbent anti-voucher republicans last fall had the full weight of the Trump Train behind them as well, on top of the Abbott onslaught. So yeah, as people were foaming at the mouth to vote in DJT, they also took note of who he "supported" in these key district races.

Our district specifically ran someone who's daughter (Brooke Rollins) is now the Sec of Ag in the Trump Administration. Lots of shenanigans on top of low information voters.

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So the incumbents couldn't convince folks to vote against the biggest change to education in decades, which will completely destroy public education per you guys.

Ever heard the phrase "strains credulity". This is beyond that.

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Destroying the public school system even more.

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Would be difficult to get worse. FAMILIES are intrinsically broken.

This DOES NOTHING to fix that!

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FIFY

When are yall going to realize that what was suggested on Prop 11 was not what we got? Prop 11 made it sound like we currently don't have a choice, that people could choose public schools, and that current funding would follow the student. None of those things are found in SB2.

As much as Dems didn't want vouchers, boy has all that's gone down played in their favor. Talarico is brushing up on his gubernatorial skills as we speak.

Since public education isn't going away, I'd prefer to spend some effort to try to fix it.

1. Create a real system of discipline and enforcement. Allow districts to make better use of alternative classrooms and alternative schools. Let the kids who want to learn actually learn. The rest can get an early start on vocational school.

2. Tier education. Part of the problem with public education is that schools got tied up in "everyone needs to go to college." No, they don't. Start sorting the kids academically early. Put the brightest kids together and let them compete academically. Let the kids in the middle choose either a more educational or more vocational route. Let the kids at the bottom start learning a trade.

3. Reduce credentialing. Let public schools hire with the same requirements as private schools and charters. If certification is important, provide incentives for it.

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Responding to criticism on his FB post, more from @JeffBarryforTX. #txlege https://t.co/iiYDf9jBW8 pic.twitter.com/4ngfydYOsF

— Brad Johnson (@bradj_TX) April 17, 2025

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That guy is a "Republican"? He sounds like a socialist.

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In almost every case, the move to private schools leads to the deterioration of public schools. I believe this will be the start of that trend. It will however be a long road. This bill will only assist 100k students. And my educated guess is that a large majority of those will be children already enrolled in private education.

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READ THE BILL.

80% of spots are reserved for low income students already enrolled in public school.

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In almost every case, the move to private schools leads to the deterioration of public schools. I believe this will be the start of that trend. It will however be a long road. This bill will only assist 100k students. And my educated guess is that a large majority of those will be children already enrolled in private education.

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I assume because more good than bad parents move their kids, leaving a higher concentration of bad parents?

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In almost every case, the move to private schools leads to the deterioration of public schools. I believe this will be the start of that trend. It will however be a long road. This bill will only assist 100k students. And my educated guess is that a large majority of those will be children already enrolled in private education.

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READ THE BILL.

80% of spots are reserved for low income students already enrolled in public school.

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And if those 80% of spots aren't filled with poor kids, then the spots go to a lottery for everyone. Do you honestly believe 80% of those spots will go to poor kids? Yeah, Abbott and his Super PACs don't either. It's the foot in the door for an ever expanding private school subsidy for the wealthy already attending private school.

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In almost every case, the move to private schools leads to the deterioration of public schools. I believe this will be the start of that trend. It will however be a long road. This bill will only assist 100k students. And my educated guess is that a large majority of those will be children already enrolled in private education.

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READ THE BILL.

80% of spots are reserved for low income students already enrolled in public school.

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And if those 80% of spots aren't filled with poor kids, then the spots go to a lottery for everyone. Do you honestly believe 80% of those spots will go to poor kids? Yeah, Abbott and his Super PACs don't either. It's the foot in the door for an ever expanding private school subsidy for the wealthy already attending private school.

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And how many of those spots are actually open?

How long before private schools opt not to take vouchers because of the strings attached to them?

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In almost every case, the move to private schools leads to the deterioration of public schools. I believe this will be the start of that trend. It will however be a long road. This bill will only assist 100k students. And my educated guess is that a large majority of those will be children already enrolled in private education.

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READ THE BILL.

80% of spots are reserved for low income students already enrolled in public school.

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And if those 80% of spots aren't filled with poor kids, then the spots go to a lottery for everyone. Do you honestly believe 80% of those spots will go to poor kids? Yeah, Abbott and his Super PACs don't either. It's the foot in the door for an ever expanding private school subsidy for the wealthy already attending private school.

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Ok, well thanks for letting us tax payers have the leftovers of that $1B.

He just gave you and your corrupt System $7.7B in additional funding. Go cry somewhere else.

Abbott will force them. This is why you don't crack the door open.

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How long before private schools opt not to take vouchers because of the strings attached to them?

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How is that any different than now?! There are no vouchers right now, so they will be doing what they've always done?! Oh the huge manatee!

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Abbott will force them. This is why you don't crack the door open.

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where is that in the bill?

As bad as this is, sounds like you guys will sweep the House and take half the Senate and kick Abbott out in 2026. You know, once the public knows about it since it's super secret!

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In almost every case, the move to private schools leads to the deterioration of public schools. I believe this will be the start of that trend. It will however be a long road. This bill will only assist 100k students. And my educated guess is that a large majority of those will be children already enrolled in private education.

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READ THE BILL.

80% of spots are reserved for low income students already enrolled in public school.

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And if those 80% of spots aren't filled with poor kids, then the spots go to a lottery for everyone. Do you honestly believe 80% of those spots will go to poor kids? Yeah, Abbott and his Super PACs don't either. It's the foot in the door for an ever expanding private school subsidy for the wealthy already attending private school.

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Ok, well thanks for letting us tax payers have the leftovers of that $1B.

He just gave you and your corrupt System $7.7B in additional funding. Go cry somewhere else.

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That's great, our public schools needed it. Unfortunately, that doesn't even catch them up to 2019 level funding. They didn't even get the funding allocated to them last session because Abbott didn't get his pet voucher scam.

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Since public education isn't going away, I'd prefer to spend some effort to try to fix it.

1. Create a real system of discipline and enforcement. Allow districts to make better use of alternative classrooms and alternative schools. Let the kids who want to learn actually learn. The rest can get an early start on vocational school.

2. Tier education. Part of the problem with public education is that schools got tied up in "everyone needs to go to college." No, they don't. Start sorting the kids academically early. Put the brightest kids together and let them compete academically. Let the kids in the middle choose either a more educational or more vocational route. Let the kids at the bottom start learning a trade.

3. Reduce credentialing. Let public schools hire with the same requirements as private schools and charters. If certification is important, provide incentives for it.

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Reduce administrative positions as a % of Teaching ones to the same ratio as when the DOE was founded.

Force Board elections to go through the 2 party system and hold the elections on the same date as State elections, so you know what you are getting and to increase voter participation.

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No doubt there are forms being made and concrete ready to be poured for the new private schools that will blossom at the prospects of making a fortune in the education field.

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There are gobs of space unused during the week and ready to go right now. That's not a limiting factor.

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Ok……..no doubt retail space will get scarce as people snatch it up to open new schools. Better?

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In almost every case, the move to private schools leads to the deterioration of public schools. I believe this will be the start of that trend. It will however be a long road. This bill will only assist 100k students. And my educated guess is that a large majority of those will be children already enrolled in private education.

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READ THE BILL.

80% of spots are reserved for low income students already enrolled in public school.

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And if those 80% of spots aren't filled with poor kids, then the spots go to a lottery for everyone. Do you honestly believe 80% of those spots will go to poor kids? Yeah, Abbott and his Super PACs don't either. It's the foot in the door for an ever expanding private school subsidy for the wealthy already attending private school.

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The wealthiest in the country don't care about the cost of private school. Its comparably pennies or dollars to them to attend top tier private schools. The next step down will still gladly pay for private school out of the surplus in their incomes.

Once you get to the upper middle class, your whole ordering is around if you can either afford to live in a nice part of town (Memorial) to get access to 'private tier' public school (that still teaches the same crap). They average around 15-20k in property taxes annually. Wouldn't they get a better product if they could take that money to a private school? You think the parents here are going to set up homeschool 'scam' tier level educational outcomes for their kids?

The next step down is the true middle middle class. Why is it all of a sudden bad that a better education has more efficient use of your own tax dollars? The lower middle is the same. Someone trying to send their kid to the best schools but can afford it.

Again, have you even looked around at private schools? There are basically two forms: Religious and STEM. And STEM is mostly charter anyway.

A religious, classical private education absolutely blows the doors off whatever public school garbage is being pumped throughout the class. Why is it that giving your kids a better education is a bad thing? And its not just wealthy people. Our private school is full of families who do not have much. And generally you have to show you have some alignment of wills to join the Christian schools.

Well, they already had my money with no plan to give it back so if this is how they want to spend it, so be it I guess. Hopefully the disaster won't be as big as I predict. I'm most sad for the homeschoolers who don't realize what they are doing to themselves, and ultimately all, by taking the money.

Going to be a very interesting election season.

"Poor kids" are families making up to $160k

only 20% of the fund will go to those that make over 500% of the poverty level



What is the poverty level?


Who gets that 20%?


This is nothing more than integrating the haves with the have nots. We have officially F'd up a rock fight.

The definition of low income is laughable imo.

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"Poor kids" are families making up to $160k

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Those would be the poor kids at our private school.