Political fallout and arguments regarding the US-Israeli action against Iran 022824

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AgBQ-00 said:

wasn't the goal to begin with. the goal was to give the Iranian people the chance to take it back themselves. they are proud enough to want to have a hand in winning their freedom. and would not be accepting to occupation forces

Did we bomb and regime change Iran to protect the US and allies from nuke threat?

Or was it to liberate the Iranian people?

Or was it payback for Oct 7th?

With Iraq, it was all of the above. Save the US from WMDs, payback for 9/11, and liberate the Iraqi people.

The only thing different is Trump is going to cut and run, unlike Bush who spent 9 years and $3T.

What other costs are taxpayers going to incur? What's the total bill going to be? Are you all happy that a portion of your paychecks is going to this?
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yes

I'm not going to wring my hands about it at all. I dont care how many brutal dictators we kill and topple. as long as we are not nation building i dont care. eliminating a threat that should've been dealt with almost 50 years ago is a win
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Yes. It's the only thing I support a portion of my check going to. HTH
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Yukon Cornelius said:

Iran remained neutral during WW2. After it they were punished and their leaders deposed. Everything that has happened has been down stream of that. Now that doesn't invalidate the necessity of what's going now but I think it would behoove our country for some introspection of our post Ww2 geopolitics.


Our post WW2 geopolitics were bungled up for the most part. A lot of those mistakes, over 55 years, started coming to a head after the turn of the century. Americans were living too well to notice what our incompetent and corrupt politicians had been doing all of those years.
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Well said
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AgBQ-00 said:

yes

I'm not going to wring my hands about it at all. I dont care how many brutal dictators we kill and topple. as long as we are not nation building i dont care. eliminating a threat that should've been dealt with almost 50 years ago is a win

"Toppling brutal dictators" sounds great. No one likes them.

But how has it worked in the past? What do the stats and scoreboard tell us?

Maybe this time is different, but outside of WW2 and Korean war exceptions, it has mostly been costly disasters.

Guess we will see here. I was a fan of the Trump B2 bombing surgical strikes. This is quite different. I hope your expectation comes to fruition, and Iran recovers quickly without costing the US taxpayer trillions.
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FobTies said:

How was Iran "still enriching Uranium"? Didn't Trump totally annihilate that capability?

Iran was never close to being a threat to the US, other than their adverse oil partnerships with our enemies.
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Who?mikejones! said:



Was she really there? It looks like she's speaking in front of a green screen.
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she got bumped by a passerby during her report
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It's (D)ifferent this time big dawg…
FobTies
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You think the Third Reich's threat to the UK is the same as Iran's threat to the US.
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AgBQ-00 said:

she got bumped by a passerby during her report

He didn't even look at her though. Everything behind her looks flat. Is this normal? I know they do things with the camera to make the person speaking stand out more.
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TxSquarebody said:

Yes. It's the only thing I support a portion of my check going to. HTH
Agreed. I support this over, at least. 80% of what the federal government wastes money on.
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FobTies said:

AgBQ-00 said:

yes

I'm not going to wring my hands about it at all. I dont care how many brutal dictators we kill and topple. as long as we are not nation building i dont care. eliminating a threat that should've been dealt with almost 50 years ago is a win

"Toppling brutal dictators" sounds great. No one likes them.

But how has it worked in the past? What do the stats and scoreboard tell us?

Maybe this time is different, but outside of WW2 and Korean war exceptions, it has mostly been costly disasters.

Guess we will see here. I was a fan of the Trump B2 bombing surgical strikes. This is quite different. I hope your expectation comes to fruition, and Iran recovers quickly without costing the US taxpayer trillions.
The US - or more precisely the corrupt CIA - has a history of nation building. Trump, so far, does not. Trump removes a threat then gets out of the way.
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So the media is already churning out polls saying almost every is opposed to the strikes.

Watch almost any channel and they'll spend more time on the polls than anything else since all seems quiet for the moment.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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deddog said:

Libs and Al Jazeera on the same page as mullahs. The mullahs that just murdered 1000s of protestors .
And want to build nukes to destroy Israel and America.

This is called a winning strategy


It appears that, since Russia seems to be laying this one out, Iran is down to only a few allies. That includes US leftists and probably the UN.
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Can't decide if I want to be cute and cuddly, or go blow some sh*t up.
Decisions decisions
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Queso1 said:

This whole situation is insane. They try to convince us to attack Iran. Why? When anyone says it's due to Israeli influence on our government, they're labeled antisemitic. Netanyahu has been in our White House 7 times in a calendar year. He's addressed our Congress. It's ludicrous.

Iran has been on the verge of nuclear weapon for 30 years. I thought we destroyed their nuclear capabilities in the great strike last year.

They try to sell us that the Iranian people are being oppressed. So? People are oppressed everywhere but we don't involve ourselves. We are told we will bring democracy to the region (we don't even follow western democratic values here anymore). These people can't handle democracy.

There's no plan. Just like in Iraq. What's going to happen when the regime falls? The refugees will go to Europe and here.

And like any criticism of policy on this board one must express their allegiance to Trump lest be called TDS or a leftist.

I'm sick of the wars. I'm sick of the corruption. I voted Trump every time to clean this stuff. But I'm more confident than ever that they're all compromised.

I'm sick of our leaders being elected on a position and then completely deviating. The whole thing makes me sick as ****.


This is a legitimate complaint of Trump. The man that said he can negotiate everything. Goes to war in the Middle East.
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austinag1997 said:

Queso1 said:

This whole situation is insane. They try to convince us to attack Iran. Why? When anyone says it's due to Israeli influence on our government, they're labeled antisemitic. Netanyahu has been in our White House 7 times in a calendar year. He's addressed our Congress. It's ludicrous.

Iran has been on the verge of nuclear weapon for 30 years. I thought we destroyed their nuclear capabilities in the great strike last year.

They try to sell us that the Iranian people are being oppressed. So? People are oppressed everywhere but we don't involve ourselves. We are told we will bring democracy to the region (we don't even follow western democratic values here anymore). These people can't handle democracy.

There's no plan. Just like in Iraq. What's going to happen when the regime falls? The refugees will go to Europe and here.

And like any criticism of policy on this board one must express their allegiance to Trump lest be called TDS or a leftist.

I'm sick of the wars. I'm sick of the corruption. I voted Trump every time to clean this stuff. But I'm more confident than ever that they're all compromised.

I'm sick of our leaders being elected on a position and then completely deviating. The whole thing makes me sick as ****.


This is a legitimate complaint of Trump. The man that said he can negotiate everything. Goes to war in the Middle East.


I know, right?

And you'd think he'd learn after the devastating war with Venezuela, the naval battles in the Caribbean and the proposed invasion of Canada.

Hell, throw in the 2020 insurrection and Trump is almost, but not quite, responsible for more American war deaths than an average Thursday night in Chicago.
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HELL YES I am glad a portion of my taxes goes to this.

because it's a hell of a lot better return on my money than DEI, corruption in pothole repairs that never fix potholes, free lunch for other people's kids, free schooling for other people's kids, free college for illegal aliens, Section 8 corruption, Minnesota Somali scams, etc.

we all know there are Americans who are immoral, could care less about mass murder, and have no problem seeing millions enslaved to murderous Islamist dictatorships.

it's just crazy how proud they are of their own immorality
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These Islamist fanatics

are no different than German Nazi fanatics with the death of Hitler in April 1945



but all the leftists and dummies who support the Islamic Republic still believe THEY are the moral actors here. Not the ones punishing mass murderers of civilians.

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Yes. Democrats and the TDS have as usual gone over their ski's.
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nortex97 said:

AgResearch said:

Who?mikejones! said:

Turns out, obama had Iranian homers in his cabinet that dropped pallets of card instead and didn't really get anything in exchange.



John Kerry and Susan Rice need a one way flight to Iran today.

Please always include Valerie Jarrett on that thought. The $150 billion to the regime in Obama's last week in office was just the icing on the cake.

Also, never forget that notorious race-communist bigot Jimmy Carter facilitated the Iranian revolution in favor of the ayatollah vs. the Shah; his surviving cabinet members have never apologized. From a political perspective, we really owe the Iranian people this effort, imho.



This is simply not true. Read King of Kings by Scott Andersen.

All of the war hawks on this page need to slow down.

I feel that we are 2 for 5* on regime change since 1918. Jefferson, Madison, Washington, Hamilton
et al warned us about foreign entanglements and we haven't listened.


Wins.


Germany twice


Losses

Cuba
Iran
Vietnam
Iraq
Afghanistan

It's not worth the money spent.


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leftists and those who support the Islamic Republic- stand with these monsters and maniacs:



I choose to stand for the freedom of 40 million Iranian women from being kidnapped and raped by IRGC whenever they walk outside.

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Well that's because you are ignorant of actual history.

love how the dummies claim because GEORGE WASHINGTON 250 years ago said something-

that they then IGNORE PRESIDENT Thomas Jefferson a few years after Washington who went to war against the MUSLIM BARBARY PIRATES IN MOROCCO
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I am not sure what you are claiming 'simply is not true.' Carter 100 percent facilitated the removal of the Shah and installation of the Ayatollah. He was at his very best a naive moron, and at worst clearly a hateful race bigot as shown by both his words and actions alike.
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The Western media, especially the BBC, began to promote the Ayatollah as a moderate alternative to the Shah's "brutal regime". The Ayatollah assured U.S. intelligence operatives and State Department officials that he would only be the "figurehead" for a western parliamentary system.

During the fall of 1978, strikes and demonstrations paralysed the country. The Carter Administration, led by Secretary of State Cyrus Vance and U.S. Ambassador to Iran William Sullivan, coalesced around abandoning the Shah and helping install Khomeini, who they viewed as a "moderate clergyman" who would be Iran's "Gandhi-like" spiritual leader.

Time and political capital ran out. On January 16, 1979, the Shah, after arranging for an interim government, resigned and went into exile.
The balance of power shifted to the Iranian military.

While the Shah was preparing for his departure, General Robert Huyser, Deputy Commander of NATO, and his top aides, arrived in Iran. They were under Carter's orders to neutralise the military leaders. Using ties of friendship, promises of aid, and assurance of safety, Huyser and his team convinced the Iranian commanders to allow the transitional government to finalise arrangements for Khomeini becoming part of the new government.

Subsequently, many of these Iranian military leaders, and their families, were slaughtered. Khomeini and his Islamic Republican Guard toppled the transitional government and seized power during the Spring of 1979. "It was a most despicable act of treachery, for which I will always be ashamed" admitted one NATO general years later.

What he did to Iranians is only slightly worse than what he did for Rhodesians.
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If the Straight of Hormuz is blocked for weeks and gas price go to $4.50+ a gallon, it will be interesting to see how the bulk of this country reacts.
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and all the leftists and dummies around the world who have supported the Islamic Republic over the last many years and fought to keep the Ayatollah in power-

don't try to pretend you are a decent human being.



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GeorgiAg said:

I feel this is my duty to get the thread going. (I dint give a crap about Iran)




The crazy thing is you can literally find a Trump quote like this for nearly every thing he's done. Like a walking contradiction.
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And how is that going to happen? It hasn't even been (fully) blocked to date and there's little likelihood Iran's ability to do so is going to increase. Iran's ability to export oil is going to plummet though, a necessary condition to cripple the regime's ability to pay their 'security forces.'

Kharg Island is closed at the moment I believe, but I could be wrong.
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You follow a leader long enough and you will hear them contradicting themselves. That's why you should always ignore what they say and watch what they do.

Trump trolls Democrats and the occasional Republicans on Twitter, all day long and then does what's best for the country. Sometimes at 1:30 in the morning, a full five hours after our last president's bedtime
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Queso1 said:

This whole situation is insane. They try to convince us to attack Iran. Why? When anyone says it's due to Israeli influence on our government, they're labeled antisemitic. Netanyahu has been in our White House 7 times in a calendar year. He's addressed our Congress. It's ludicrous.

Iran has been on the verge of nuclear weapon for 30 years. I thought we destroyed their nuclear capabilities in the great strike last year.

They try to sell us that the Iranian people are being oppressed. So? People are oppressed everywhere but we don't involve ourselves. We are told we will bring democracy to the region (we don't even follow western democratic values here anymore). These people can't handle democracy.

There's no plan. Just like in Iraq. What's going to happen when the regime falls? The refugees will go to Europe and here.

And like any criticism of policy on this board one must express their allegiance to Trump lest be called TDS or a leftist.

I'm sick of the wars. I'm sick of the corruption. I voted Trump every time to clean this stuff. But I'm more confident than ever that they're all compromised.

I'm sick of our leaders being elected on a position and then completely deviating. The whole thing makes me sick as ****.


Spot on. Being a supporter shouldn't mean staying silent when the 'America First' platform gets sidelined for more foreign intervention. We've seen this movie before in Iraq, and we know how it ends.
Demanding transparency and a clear plan isn't being a leftist or 'TDS'. It's wanting the leadership to stay the course and avoid another trillion-dollar mess. It's possible to support the movement while still questioning the rush toward a new conflict.
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Leftists and TDS in a nutshell on any given day:
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It is already effectively closed because tanker owners won't take the risk. This has always been a concern in a conflict with Iran. Shipments greatly dropped through the Red Sea because of the Houthis and that is a lot larger distance to attack with a less capable Iranian proxy. As for how they could do it, have you not seen Iran drones hitting bases and cities a lot further away?

ETA. Historically, blocking Hormuz by Iran was a bad economic decision because they would also lose their oil exports but with their facility already out of action, they don't stand to lose much by blocking it now.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/oil-gas-majors-traders-suspend-shipments-via-hormuz-us-attacks-iran-sources-say-2026-02-28/
 
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