Political fallout and arguments regarding the US-Israeli action against Iran 022824

143,410 Views | 1679 Replies | Last: 1 min ago by Ag with kids
Hogties
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Rapier108 said:



Someone informed the useful idiots in the US of the strikes before they began.


Texags was reporting on the ongoing strikes for 1.5 hours before Trumps message was released. No leaks or conspiracy of traitors needed for that timeline.
aggiehawg
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
BuddysBud said:

Im Gipper said:

Queso1 said:

Speaking of democrats, I wonder what Schumer's position is.


Easy to find:




Great! When the Senate is back in session Schumer can end his government shutdown of DHS and pass the Save Act.

Only if Schumer signs that he agrees to be put in Gitmo if he leaks anything from such a briefing. He cannot be trusted at all.
lcraggie
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Im Gipper said:

Quote:

Carney is 0 for 2 this week.


Hockey and what?


He is Canadian
Rangers Lead the Way, NSDQ


BusterAg
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Queso1 said:

This whole situation is insane. They try to convince us to attack Iran. Why? When anyone says it's due to Israeli influence on our government, they're labeled antisemitic. Netanyahu has been in our White House 7 times in a calendar year. He's addressed our Congress. It's ludicrous.

Iran has been on the verge of nuclear weapon for 30 years. I thought we destroyed their nuclear capabilities in the great strike last year.

They try to sell us that the Iranian people are being oppressed. So? People are oppressed everywhere but we don't involve ourselves. We are told we will bring democracy to the region (we don't even follow western democratic values here anymore). These people can't handle democracy.

There's no plan. Just like in Iraq. What's going to happen when the regime falls? The refugees will go to Europe and here.

And like any criticism of policy on this board one must express their allegiance to Trump lest be called TDS or a leftist.

I'm sick of the wars. I'm sick of the corruption. I voted Trump every time to clean this stuff. But I'm more confident than ever that they're all compromised.

I'm sick of our leaders being elected on a position and then completely deviating. The whole thing makes me sick as ****.


Im pretty cool with taking out a dictator that killed at least 7,000 demonstrators in cold blood. Especially if we can get it done and come home before the news even breaks.

We are not invading Iran. We just cut the head off of the snake of the Iranian guard. I don't understand your problem.

Killing thousands of protestors in a country with significant oil reserves is ok?

It makes economic sense to get rid of the Republican Gaurd. Its also a good thing to do for the Iranian people. The interests of the US people and the oppressed Iranian people are aligned.

Why not? Seriously. Why not?
Tony Franklins Other Shoe
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Rapier108 said:




So have we determined yet whether Iran is below or above the equator?

Person Not Capable of Pregnancy
Dirty_Mike&the_boys
How long do you want to ignore this user?
These two dumbasses are getting roasted on every social media platform



"We're going to turn this red Prius into a soup kitchen!"
BusterAg
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Old McDonald said:

so tldr:

trump 2024: no new wars
republicans: hell yeah
trump 2025: just gonna bomb Iran's nuke sites real quick
republicans: hell yeah
trump 2026: we're doing a regime change war in iran, some of you may die but that's a risk I'm willing to take
republicans: hell yeah
everyone else: hey we don't want another forever war in the middle east
republicans: cry more libs


So, if this doesn't turn into a long, drawn out boots on the ground occupation, are you willing to eat crow?
Ex Ex Officio Director
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Has the definition of "war" changed?

I would argue that this was a limited attack…like a miniseries that only has a few episodes.

A war means boots-on-the-ground, long term, requires-Congressional-approval, correct?

Hell, even the War Powers Res of 1973 gives the president 48 hours to inform Congress.

Are we just not using common definitions, sense, and knowledge anymore?
BigD_03
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Anti-taxxer said:

Has the definition of "war" changed?

I would argue that this was a limited attack…like a miniseries that only has a few episodes.

A war means boots-on-the-ground, long term, requires-Congressional-approval, correct?

Hell, even the War Powers Res of 1973 gives the president 48 hours to inform Congress.

Are we just not using common definitions, sense, and knowledge anymore?


We live in a time when half the country struggles to define "man" or "woman."

Defining "War" might be asking a bit much these days.
Yukon Cornelius
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
You sir have one of the best usernames I've ever seen. Just wanted to give you props for it.
aggiehawg
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Two other audiences this is affecting. Russians and Chinese. Do they really want to take us on or even risk it militarily?

Remember Qaddafi gave up his nukes after we took Saddam out fairly easily. He wanted no part of that. Putin has already been in a stalemate war for four years.
the_batman26
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Grenada, Panama, Somalia, Kosovo, even Syria in 2018 should be "wars" then.
Ex Ex Officio Director
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Yukon Cornelius said:

You sir have one of the best usernames I've ever seen. Just wanted to give you props for it.

Thank you, but I'm a ma'am!
YouBet
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Queso1 said:

This whole situation is insane. They try to convince us to attack Iran. Why? When anyone says it's due to Israeli influence on our government, they're labeled antisemitic. Netanyahu has been in our White House 7 times in a calendar year. He's addressed our Congress. It's ludicrous.

Iran has been on the verge of nuclear weapon for 30 years. I thought we destroyed their nuclear capabilities in the great strike last year.

They try to sell us that the Iranian people are being oppressed. So? People are oppressed everywhere but we don't involve ourselves. We are told we will bring democracy to the region (we don't even follow western democratic values here anymore). These people can't handle democracy.

There's no plan. Just like in Iraq. What's going to happen when the regime falls? The refugees will go to Europe and here.

And like any criticism of policy on this board one must express their allegiance to Trump lest be called TDS or a leftist.

I'm sick of the wars. I'm sick of the corruption. I voted Trump every time to clean this stuff. But I'm more confident than ever that they're all compromised.

I'm sick of our leaders being elected on a position and then completely deviating. The whole thing makes me sick as ****.


This probably won't make you feel any better but I think this is largely a culmination of events that landed in Trump's lap, and the opportunity that presented itself was one he simply couldn't pass up. All of this became Trump's version of not letting a crisis go to waste to borrow the Democrat modus operandi.

October 7 is the biggest miscalculation by the Iranians they ever made. That one event was the Butterfly Effect of everything that has happened since. That led to the destruction of Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis. It led to the destruction of Iran's Air Force and air defenses. It's now led the end of the Ayatollah and ostensibly Iranian terrorist meddling on the global stage.

Throw in the fact that Hezbollah was operating out of VZ in our hemishphere....now also gone in a 1 hour operation that removed Maduro which also eliminated his Cuban security force, while neutralizing Hez in VZ.

Once you put all of it together, it's easy to see and understand why he did it even if you don't agree with it. In addition, the ROI on these events so far is as good as you can get it. No US deaths in either the VZ action nor both Iranian attacks.

And now Cuba's commie leader will fall simply because they are out of resources and we might not even have to do anything with that. But even if we do, it will likely be a slight nudge and then he's gone and someone new that is friendly to us will run it. Maybe Rubio?

What an absolute seismic geopolitical shift in just 3 months without huge costs to us.
Cromagnum
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Cromagnum
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Yukon Cornelius
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Not to mention not a single word from democrats for 8 years of obummer droning people and going into Syria. They are hypocrites and have no room to have this discussion
Artimus Gordon
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG

aggiehawg
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Quote:

What an absolute seismic geopolitical shift in just 3 months without huge costs to us.

Great post! And agree about the Butterfly Effect. The attack s from Gaza were calculated on a Biden or similar wimp being in power for a few more years.

They chose unwisely.
BTKAG97
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Only because he has been mentioned a few times now...

I don't think I have ever heard of the comic Dave Smith until this thread.
Who?mikejones!
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Law-Apt_3G
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Crazy Democrats do not like USA bombing crazy Muslims.



Who?mikejones!
How long do you want to ignore this user?
BTKAG97 said:

Only because he has been mentioned a few times now...

I don't think I have ever heard of the comic Dave Smith until this thread.


He was a nobody comic that became a big deal because hes a usa Jewish guy who hates Israel and is one of the loudest of those claiming Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza.

He got into a debate with Doug Murray on Rogan podcast and it got millions of views. He's also a fan of nick fuentes
IslanderAg04
How long do you want to ignore this user?
GeorgiAg said:

I feel this is my duty to get the thread going. (I dint give a crap about Iran)




That was in 2013, following obama handing them pallets of cash. Alot changes in 12 years.
rocky the dog
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Elections are when people find out what politicians stand for, and politicians find out what people will fall for.
BTKAG97
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Anti-taxxer said:

Has the definition of "war" changed?

I would argue that this was a limited attack…like a miniseries that only has a few episodes.

A war means boots-on-the-ground, long term, requires-Congressional-approval, correct?

Hell, even the War Powers Res of 1973 gives the president 48 hours to inform Congress.

Are we just not using common definitions, sense, and knowledge anymore?

US troops were in Grenada for 8 days. Kinetic actions took 3 days. It was not called a war.

Yes, Grenada is way smaller than Iran, but the US has much better equipment and training.

If the US can complete it's missions in 1-2 weeks with minimal troops on the group then I'd be okay with it.

The US also does not need to have a predecesor ready to go. Let the people in Iran handle that even if it's not who the US would prefer - just like Venezuela.
aggiehawg
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Thanks for posting that as most of that nuance had escaped my attention until now.
ttu_85
How long do you want to ignore this user?
YouBet said:

Queso1 said:

This whole situation is insane.
....
....
....

I'm sick of the wars. I'm sick of the corruption. I voted Trump every time to clean this stuff. But I'm more confident than ever that they're all compromised.

I'm sick of our leaders being elected on a position and then completely deviating. The whole thing makes me sick as ****.


This probably won't make you feel any better but I think this is largely a culmination of events that landed in Trump's lap, and the opportunity that presented itself was one he simply couldn't pass up. All of this became Trump's version of not letting a crisis go to waste to borrow the Democrat modus operandi.

October 7 is the biggest miscalculation by the Iranians they ever made. That one event was the Butterfly Effect of everything that has happened since. That led to the destruction of Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis. It led to the destruction of Iran's Air Force and air defenses. It's now led the end of the Ayatollah and ostensibly Iranian terrorist meddling on the global stage.

Throw in the fact that Hezbollah was operating out of VZ in our hemishphere....now also gone in a 1 hour operation that removed Maduro which also eliminated his Cuban security force, while neutralizing Hez in VZ.

Once you put all of it together, it's easy to see and understand why he did it even if you don't agree with it. In addition, the ROI on these events so far is as good as you can get it. No US deaths in either the VZ action nor both Iranian attacks.

And now Cuba's commie leader will fall simply because they are out of resources and we might not even have to do anything with that. But even if we do, it will likely be a slight nudge and then he's gone and someone new that is friendly to us will run it. Maybe Rubio?

What an absolute seismic geopolitical shift in just 3 months without huge costs to us.

Wow this is a very impressive take and an excellent summation of events and probable outcomes.
light_bulb
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Queso1 said:

Speaking of democrats, I wonder what Schumer's position is.


Speaking of you, have you received your new talking points from Tucker, Candace, and Fuentes?
ttu_85
How long do you want to ignore this user?
rocky the dog said:



Another excellent must see post by Rocky
G Martin 87
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Bingo. Great summation. Add to all this that we have been fighting with Iran and Iran's proxies for 47 years. That's the "forever war". Trump is keeping his promise, not breaking it. No more "forever wars" means he's ending this one. No other president had the guts to even try.
TyHolden
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
YouBet said:

Queso1 said:

This whole situation is insane. They try to convince us to attack Iran. Why? When anyone says it's due to Israeli influence on our government, they're labeled antisemitic. Netanyahu has been in our White House 7 times in a calendar year. He's addressed our Congress. It's ludicrous.

Iran has been on the verge of nuclear weapon for 30 years. I thought we destroyed their nuclear capabilities in the great strike last year.

They try to sell us that the Iranian people are being oppressed. So? People are oppressed everywhere but we don't involve ourselves. We are told we will bring democracy to the region (we don't even follow western democratic values here anymore). These people can't handle democracy.

There's no plan. Just like in Iraq. What's going to happen when the regime falls? The refugees will go to Europe and here.

And like any criticism of policy on this board one must express their allegiance to Trump lest be called TDS or a leftist.

I'm sick of the wars. I'm sick of the corruption. I voted Trump every time to clean this stuff. But I'm more confident than ever that they're all compromised.

I'm sick of our leaders being elected on a position and then completely deviating. The whole thing makes me sick as ****.


This probably won't make you feel any better but I think this is largely a culmination of events that landed in Trump's lap, and the opportunity that presented itself was one he simply couldn't pass up. All of this became Trump's version of not letting a crisis go to waste to borrow the Democrat modus operandi.

October 7 is the biggest miscalculation by the Iranians they ever made. That one event was the Butterfly Effect of everything that has happened since. That led to the destruction of Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis. It led to the destruction of Iran's Air Force and air defenses. It's now led the end of the Ayatollah and ostensibly Iranian terrorist meddling on the global stage.

Throw in the fact that Hezbollah was operating out of VZ in our hemishphere....now also gone in a 1 hour operation that removed Maduro which also eliminated his Cuban security force, while neutralizing Hez in VZ.

Once you put all of it together, it's easy to see and understand why he did it even if you don't agree with it. In addition, the ROI on these events so far is as good as you can get it. No US deaths in either the VZ action nor both Iranian attacks.

And now Cuba's commie leader will fall simply because they are out of resources and we might not even have to do anything with that. But even if we do, it will likely be a slight nudge and then he's gone and someone new that is friendly to us will run it. Maybe Rubio?

What an absolute seismic geopolitical shift in just 3 months without huge costs to us.


Boom - awesome analysis! I want access to your newsletter.
AgBQ-00
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG


s2 underground update from today. guy does a good job of highlighting a lot of moving pieces
God loves you so much He'll meet you where you are. He also loves you too much to allow to stay where you are.

We sing Hallelujah! The Lamb has overcome!
BudAg97
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
ttu_85 said:

YouBet said:

Queso1 said:

This whole situation is insane.
....
....
....

I'm sick of the wars. I'm sick of the corruption. I voted Trump every time to clean this stuff. But I'm more confident than ever that they're all compromised.

I'm sick of our leaders being elected on a position and then completely deviating. The whole thing makes me sick as ****.


This probably won't make you feel any better but I think this is largely a culmination of events that landed in Trump's lap, and the opportunity that presented itself was one he simply couldn't pass up. All of this became Trump's version of not letting a crisis go to waste to borrow the Democrat modus operandi.

October 7 is the biggest miscalculation by the Iranians they ever made. That one event was the Butterfly Effect of everything that has happened since. That led to the destruction of Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis. It led to the destruction of Iran's Air Force and air defenses. It's now led the end of the Ayatollah and ostensibly Iranian terrorist meddling on the global stage.

Throw in the fact that Hezbollah was operating out of VZ in our hemishphere....now also gone in a 1 hour operation that removed Maduro which also eliminated his Cuban security force, while neutralizing Hez in VZ.

Once you put all of it together, it's easy to see and understand why he did it even if you don't agree with it. In addition, the ROI on these events so far is as good as you can get it. No US deaths in either the VZ action nor both Iranian attacks.

And now Cuba's commie leader will fall simply because they are out of resources and we might not even have to do anything with that. But even if we do, it will likely be a slight nudge and then he's gone and someone new that is friendly to us will run it. Maybe Rubio?

What an absolute seismic geopolitical shift in just 3 months without huge costs to us.

Wow this is a very impressive take and an excellent summation of events and probable outcomes.


And it will all be ignored by MrCheez.
4stringAg
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Hasn't Trump earned some benefit of the doubt in situations like this? The same people who are screeching now were screeching last year when we dropped bombs on irans nuke sites and were screeching when we took out maduro. I don't see any US boots on the ground or long term occupations so far from those engagements nor any others that I'm aware of.

Maybe wait and see for a week or so at least before venting your spleen about another Iraq or Afghanistan
 
×
subscribe Verify your student status
See Subscription Benefits
Trial only available to users who have never subscribed or participated in a previous trial.