Morbo the Annihilator said:

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I saw it in my visit to Ecuador. Beautiful churches with paupers begging outside. The Catholic church is an abomination after nothing but money, Catholic Christians are wonderful people of faith. I hope they awake.

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This is absolutely absurd. Our money is in treasure and land not cash, our clerics are extremely educated and make almost no money, and we're the largest charitable organization in the history of mankind.

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Matthew 6:19-21
19 Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

Rome really taking Jesus' words to heart it seems.

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Which Bible translation is that from (and where are the originals)? The one where English Kings could kill their wives to justify divorce, or the newer one that says this guy has authority:


Oh, and you're welcome to look up the financials of my parish or any other for that matter. They're quite public.

We ain't bathing in cash the way the Cult of Dr. Ed is. Far, far from it.

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The originals? Well let me think. I might have a few first edition scrolls lying around the closet, but I'll have to check.

What the English kings did is clearly horrible but I'm not a member of the Church of England; nor do I have idea what that thing is that you posted a picture of.

But while you wait for me to dig up my Matthew and John signed originals, I believe the translation I used is the one that okayed Pope Leo X selling indulgences to the wealthy to fund St Peter's Basilica with the promise of an instant release from Purgatory.

When a penny in the coffer rings, a soul from Purgatory springs.

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As a practicing Catholic my frustration with the church is the same with every organization.

Apply the rules and principles universally.

Pope Leo has an obligation to promote peace between nations. I support that. He also had a major obligation to call out the mass slaughter of protestors in Iran and call on the nations of the world to step in and stop it. But he was silent on this.

The church loves to turn its "snide comments" and rebukes to the US for anything we have ever done with the exception of giving away our treasures to the rest of the world. And when we do this it is always "you could do more".

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As a Catholic this is spot on! I would also say the Pope needs to crack open a couple of history books.

Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Morbo the Annihilator said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Sharpshooter said:

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I saw it in my visit to Ecuador. Beautiful churches with paupers begging outside. The Catholic church is an abomination after nothing but money, Catholic Christians are wonderful people of faith. I hope they awake.

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This is absolutely absurd. Our money is in treasure and land not cash, our clerics are extremely educated and make almost no money, and we're the largest charitable organization in the history of mankind.

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Matthew 6:19-21
19 Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

Rome really taking Jesus' words to heart it seems.

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Which Bible translation is that from (and where are the originals)? The one where English Kings could kill their wives to justify divorce, or the newer one that says this guy has authority:


Oh, and you're welcome to look up the financials of my parish or any other for that matter. They're quite public.

We ain't bathing in cash the way the Cult of Dr. Ed is. Far, far from it.

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The originals? Well let me think. I might have a few first edition scrolls lying around the closet, but I'll have to check.

What the English kings did is clearly horrible but I'm not a member of the Church of England; nor do I have idea what that thing is that you posted a picture of.

But while you wait for me to dig up my Matthew and John signed originals, I believe the translation I used is the one that okayed Pope Leo X selling indulgences to the wealthy to fund St Peter's Basilica with the promise of an instant release from Purgatory.

When a penny in the coffer rings, a soul from Purgatory springs.

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The repugnant Medici family was not a bright spot in the history of The Church, but I'm certain they didn't read and write English in the fifteenth century, and this has no bearing on events more than 500 years later, Mr.Textus Receptus.

Let's have a look at some of your current brethren:

The Episcopals:



More than a few pennies here:



The Methodists:



Doing pretty well for a denomination a couple of huindred years old


Let's not forget the Lutherans:



Definitely no money here:



Of course, there's always this cultist who would never, ever drink hideously expensive booze on one of his many Gulfstreams:



I always laughed that his Daddy's name on the signs is in the largest font.

Morbo the Annihilator said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Morbo the Annihilator said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Severian the Torturer said:

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Sharpshooter said:

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I saw it in my visit to Ecuador. Beautiful churches with paupers begging outside. The Catholic church is an abomination after nothing but money, Catholic Christians are wonderful people of faith. I hope they awake.

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This is absolutely absurd. Our money is in treasure and land not cash, our clerics are extremely educated and make almost no money, and we're the largest charitable organization in the history of mankind.

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Matthew 6:19-21
19 Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

Rome really taking Jesus' words to heart it seems.

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Which Bible translation is that from (and where are the originals)? The one where English Kings could kill their wives to justify divorce, or the newer one that says this guy has authority:


Oh, and you're welcome to look up the financials of my parish or any other for that matter. They're quite public.

We ain't bathing in cash the way the Cult of Dr. Ed is. Far, far from it.

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The originals? Well let me think. I might have a few first edition scrolls lying around the closet, but I'll have to check.

What the English kings did is clearly horrible but I'm not a member of the Church of England; nor do I have idea what that thing is that you posted a picture of.

But while you wait for me to dig up my Matthew and John signed originals, I believe the translation I used is the one that okayed Pope Leo X selling indulgences to the wealthy to fund St Peter's Basilica with the promise of an instant release from Purgatory.

When a penny in the coffer rings, a soul from Purgatory springs.

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The repugnant Medici family was not a bright spot in the history of The Church, but I'm certain they didn't read and write English in the fifteenth century, and this has no bearing on events more than 500 years later, Mr.Textus Receptus.

Let's have a look at some of your current brethren:

The Episcopals:



More than a few pennies here:



The Methodists:



Doing pretty well for a denomination a couple of huindred years old


Let's not forget the Lutherans:



Definitely no money here:



Of course, there's always this cultist who would never, ever drink hideously expensive booze on one of his many Gulfstreams:



I always laughed that his Daddy's name on the signs is in the largest font.

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I'm not a member of any of those churches. I condemn all of the opulence. No skin off my nose.

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Gotta love the pope hate for no reason.

Literally the pope:

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"No one has said that the United States should have open borders. I think every country has a right to determine who and how and when people enter," Pope Leo XIV said November 18 outside the papal villa of Castel Gandolfo before returning to Rome after a daylong stay there.

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The biggest haters of the Catholic church are Christian Zionists. Why doesn't anyone admonish the Christian Zionists for advocating for war? Promoting war is the exact opposite of what Christianity is all about - it is not Christian at all. They also advocate for Churches to accrue billions of dollars in assets, again not Christian.

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Never been to the Vatican, eh?

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The pope isn't a billionaire accruing assets for his personal portfolio like many of the large evangelical zionist church leaders - Franklin Graham, Joel Osteen, Ed Young and Family, the Falwells, Paula white, etc. The Catholic Church also has over a billion followers worldwide and churches in every country on the planet, these scumbag grifters might have a few hundred thousand, combined, whose money they steal to enrich themselves personally. Do you see any billionaire catholic priests? If so, I'd love to know.

Nice try at a gotcha, dolt.

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fightingfarmer09 said:

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As a practicing Catholic my frustration with the church is the same with every organization.

Apply the rules and principles universally.

Pope Leo has an obligation to promote peace between nations. I support that. He also had a major obligation to call out the mass slaughter of protestors in Iran and call on the nations of the world to step in and stop it. But he was silent on this.

The church loves to turn its "snide comments" and rebukes to the US for anything we have ever done with the exception of giving away our treasures to the rest of the world. And when we do this it is always "you could do more".

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As a Catholic this is spot on! I would also say the Pope needs to crack open a couple of history books.

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I'm sure the pope is vastly more well read than you think you are. The Pope and Catholicism at its core are very socialist because Jesus was. It obviously runs afoul with capitalism, but they're not there to promote capitalism they're there to promote Jesus and his teachings.

This doesn't mean you have to be a socialist to be Catholic though you could argue Jesus would want it that way.

Not sure which is the poorer description, that of socialism or of Jesus' teachings

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Most Catholics have issues with the cardinals they chose to interview.

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Exactly, they couldn't have found 3 more liberal Catholic Cardinals in the USA.

It would be like interviewing the Lincoln Project for an inside look at GOP sentiment on Trump.

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this keeps getting posted with no links or interviews of those other 14 cardinals / 37000 priests noted above that have supposedly have opposite views. This feels more like wishing the church leaders didn't have these leftist viewsbecause you can't reconcile your own beliefs with what they are spewing. Please post some links to support this consistent theme that these 3 cardinals don't represent the Catholic Church.

fightingfarmer09 said:

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As a practicing Catholic my frustration with the church is the same with every organization.

Apply the rules and principles universally.

Pope Leo has an obligation to promote peace between nations. I support that. He also had a major obligation to call out the mass slaughter of protestors in Iran and call on the nations of the world to step in and stop it. But he was silent on this.

The church loves to turn its "snide comments" and rebukes to the US for anything we have ever done with the exception of giving away our treasures to the rest of the world. And when we do this it is always "you could do more".

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The situation in Iran and Israel has deteriorated drastically. I renew my appeal to responsibility and reason. The commitment to build a safer world, free from nuclear threats, must be pursued through mutual respect and sincere dialogue, in order to build lasting peace founded on…

— Pope Leo XIV (@Pontifex) June 14, 2025

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The Pope and Catholicism at its core are very socialist because Jesus was. It obviously runs afoul with capitalism, but they're not there to promote capitalism they're there to promote Jesus and his teachings.

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I saw it in my visit to Ecuador. Beautiful churches with paupers begging outside. The Catholic church is an abomination after nothing but money, Catholic Christians are wonderful people of faith. I hope they awake.

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This is absolutely absurd. Our money is in treasure and land not cash, our clerics are extremely educated and make almost no money, and we're the largest charitable organization in the history of mankind.

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Are you new here? That BS nonsense about Catholic "treasures" makes its way on here in every Catholic bashing thread. Funny thing, I've seen beggars in front of the Smithsonian and National Gallery of Art, Our government should sell all those things!

I'm wondering if 60 Minutes did this interview because of the growing attendance in the Catholic Church in America, and also because i read that the current Pope's popularity is at 84% (yes, even including conservative Catholics) which is higher than the last guy at his death.

Also, with an increasing in the younger generations, that's going to help the church for generations to come.

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Many U.S. Catholic dioceses are reporting a significant surge in, and in some cases, record-high numbers of new converts and returning members, particularly for Easter 2026. This resurgence is driven by Gen Z and young adults seeking tradition and community, resulting in 30-70% increases in converts in some regions and reversing years of post-pandemic decline

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I saw it in my visit to Ecuador. Beautiful churches with paupers begging outside. The Catholic church is an abomination after nothing but money, Catholic Christians are wonderful people of faith. I hope they awake.

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That same pauper may well have had his last meal at a Catholic soup kitchen after getting out of the Catholic hospital and getting a new coat from the Catholic clothing donation center…….he may even spend the night in a Catholic shelter.

Wake up and think before you type.

Anyone surprised about what Pope Leo is simply willfully ignorant. The Church has been very consistent about their themes and messaging for the last 1500 years. Everything that he has said corresponds to the true ideals of being pro-life, even for our enemies. How fortunate that the usual "but I go to church every Sunday it doesn't matter if I wish death on liberals and tyrants" posturing done here is finally facing some pushback.

I'm a practicing Catholic, and even Pope Francis called out Iran's treatment of its citizens.

Leo has remained silent on Iran murdering 30k for protesting.

His selective condemnation is plain as day, so I don't take him very seriously. It's sad because it takes courage to stand up to Islamic tyranny. Leo has no problem standing up to the mean ole US.

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I'm a practicing Catholic, and even Pope Francis called out Iran's treatment of its citizens.

Leo has remained silent on Iran murdering 30k for protesting.

His selective condemnation is plain as day, so I don't take him very seriously. It's sad because it takes courage to stand up to Islamic tyranny. Leo has no problem standing up to the mean ole US.

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See my post above. Leo has not remained silent, it is simply that his comments on that have not garnered much, if any attention, from the mainstream news outlets. His prayers and comments on Iran's attacks on protestors, given in January, appear to only have been reported by Catholic news agencies.

Exactly as I mentioned - willful ignorance. They assume that because they have not seen proof, the proof must not exist. Thirty seconds of research would show many of his comments.

Catholic government first.

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As a practicing Catholic my frustration with the church is the same with every organization.

Apply the rules and principles universally.

Pope Leo has an obligation to promote peace between nations. I support that. He also had a major obligation to call out the mass slaughter of protestors in Iran and call on the nations of the world to step in and stop it. But he was silent on this.

The church loves to turn its "snide comments" and rebukes to the US for anything we have ever done with the exception of giving away our treasures to the rest of the world. And when we do this it is always "you could do more".

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As a Catholic this is spot on! I would also say the Pope needs to crack open a couple of history books.

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I'm sure the pope is vastly more well read than you think you are. The Pope and Catholicism at its core are very socialist because Jesus was. It obviously runs afoul with capitalism, but they're not there to promote capitalism they're there to promote Jesus and his teachings.

This doesn't mean you have to be a socialist to be Catholic though you could argue Jesus would want it that way.

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LOL

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fightingfarmer09 said:

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As a practicing Catholic my frustration with the church is the same with every organization.

Apply the rules and principles universally.

Pope Leo has an obligation to promote peace between nations. I support that. He also had a major obligation to call out the mass slaughter of protestors in Iran and call on the nations of the world to step in and stop it. But he was silent on this.

The church loves to turn its "snide comments" and rebukes to the US for anything we have ever done with the exception of giving away our treasures to the rest of the world. And when we do this it is always "you could do more".

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The situation in Iran and Israel has deteriorated drastically. I renew my appeal to responsibility and reason. The commitment to build a safer world, free from nuclear threats, must be pursued through mutual respect and sincere dialogue, in order to build lasting peace founded on…

— Pope Leo XIV (@Pontifex) June 14, 2025

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And he posted that just after celebrating this conflict;

Why is he honoring Muslim communists who murdered Catholic civilians? https://t.co/ehId7lQfno

— Will Tanner (@Will_Tanner_1) April 14, 2026

In a country where, as a result of that war, sharing the gospel can result in imprisonment;

Sharing the Gospel with a Muslim is a crime in Algeria, punishable by imprisonment.

The churches that do exist are government controlled, and Christian worship can only happen in state-approved locations. Churches are routinely closed.

This is fantasy land stuff. https://t.co/QsIWZCJyZa

— Bonchie (@bonchieredstate) April 13, 2026

To the above poster (I am not quoting/replying to directly) here is some information as to conservative US RCC bishops. There are plenty of them.

Axelrod goes to the Vatican and within a few days this Pope and his fellow travellers start attacking Trump by name. It's not a surprise.

I attended Catholic schools, by brother is Catholic, have many, many Catholic friends. But the Church is broken in many, many ways few inside or out understand. I'm barely Catholic adjacent and the stuff I hear is crazy. I can only imagine what it's like inside the Jesuit or other circles.

The fundamental problem is the same one all churches have. Man is corrupt and whereever power and wealth are, that will naturally follow. The problem is the Catholic Church seems to have little desire to root it out.

Long over due for a Pope that will clean out the Augean stables in Rome.

Abp Coakley, Abp Lori, Bp. Olson are all examples of pretty conservative bishops.

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Abp Coakley, Abp Lori, Bp. Olson are all examples of pretty conservative bishops.

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And the liberals are on the way out.

Bishop Strickland, Bishop Robert Barron, Cdl Burke, bishop cordileone who refused communion to Pelosi, Chaput and Broglio

Chaput, Cordileone and Strickland probably the ones who waded into the culture war the most

This is the strategy:

Hal Lambert suggests Pope Leo called out President Trump to damage Republican’s Catholic vote in the midterms, after meeting with Obama strategist. pic.twitter.com/hhJAR8miuv

— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) April 14, 2026

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This is the strategy:

Hal Lambert suggests Pope Leo called out President Trump to damage Republican’s Catholic vote in the midterms, after meeting with Obama strategist. pic.twitter.com/hhJAR8miuv

— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) April 14, 2026

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I tell you what, I don't think that did near as much damage to Trump as posting a picture of himself as Jesus Christ.

Good preacher/priest: I have no idea their politics.

GREAT preacher/priest: I, and everyone else in the congregation, am convinced that he agrees with me.

One of my main problems with all of these recent Catholic talking heads (as well as virtually all liberals) is how they ONLY seem to hold predominantly white, Western nations to certain "moral" standards when it comes to national soveriegnty and immigration policy and enforcement.

But predominantly brown countries are beautiful and Wakanda-like and should remain homogeneous and protect themselves at all costs from the evil white colonizers.

The Pope and his liberal underlings who have infested the church will demonize us because we don't just let the entire world pour into our country and turn it upside down, but at the same time, view extremely racist and xenophobic places (by our standards) like Japan, China and Korea as 'special places', rich in history and culture, to be preserved.

Can you imagine, if, no matter how many generations they had been here, we never recognized Asian-Americans as full citizens, same as you and me, because their eyes are different and they are "racially impure"? Yeah, that's virtually all of Asia (as well as other parts of the world), and I have never heard any member of the clergy call them out.

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I'm sure the pope is vastly more well read than you think you are. The Pope and Catholicism at its core are very socialist because Jesus was. It obviously runs afoul with capitalism, but they're not there to promote capitalism they're there to promote Jesus and his teachings.

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So many people conflate "government" and "society".

No, Jesus was not "Socialist". Socialism is a type of government with laws to coerce behavior from people.

Jesus did no such thing. He expressly disavows being a government and using coercion.

So even if some of Jesus' teaching posit a society (feed the hungry, clothe the naked, heal the sick) that socialist governments purport to seek, Jesus in no way wants coercion nor laws to be used.

My Lord and Savior was one of a kind for sure. Pretty remarkable I learned today he was a socialist carpenter.

Who knew

The Pope is either 1) a complete dumbass or 2) in full Marxist ideological capture. Neither is a good thing. Given the coordinated nature of the anti-Trump messaging (Pope meets with Axelrod, Pope issues statement within 24 hours of meeting, 3 "bishops" miraculously/simultaneously appear on 60minutes, creates a Muslim prayer room at the Vatican, meets with radical Muslim gov't that does not allow Catholics free worship, Catholics loot US treasury to the tune of $2.5b annually, etc.) I assume the worst.

Tell me how I'm wrong?

For one thing, it doesn't have to be an either/or proposition.

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The Pope is either 1) a complete dumbass or 2) in full Marxist ideological capture. Neither is a good thing. Given the coordinated nature of the anti-Trump messaging (Pope meets with Axelrod, Pope issues statement within 24 hours of meeting, 3 "bishops" miraculously/simultaneously appear on 60minutes, creates a Muslim prayer room at the Vatican, meets with radical Muslim gov't that does not allow Catholics free worship, Catholics loot US treasury to the tune of $2.5b annually, etc.) I assume the worst.

Tell me how I'm wrong?

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The Pope is neither, he's a religious leader he's not a political leader, he doesn't view things through the lens of left or right. He's also not anywhere near as focused on the USA as people think he is. Yes, his recent comments have been about the USA, but there was a hubbub a few weeks ago when he made some pointed comments that Americans took offense about, and it was actually about Greece.

The Pope is going to meet with literally everyone as will the Episcopate. Cardinal Dolan used to give the benediction at both the RNC and the DNC, Bishop Robert Barron just prayed at the ridiculous Trump "National day of prayer", so the Pope meeting with Axelrod is a non starter.

The Church has a lot of left leaning high ranking clergy in the USA, the good news, as I posted above is that they are dying off and the younger crop is much more conservative.

The prayer room thing is also a tempest in a teapot, it's just a room set aside for muslim scholars to pray in; I've actually attended Mass in Algiers, so I don't know why you don't think Catholics are able to worship in Algeria.

With regards to the Catholic looting the treasury to the tune of 2.5 billion a year, you've got me. I don't know what that goes towards, but I wish we wouldn't take it, we don't need it. It's a drop in the bucket, the federal reserve building renovation is costing 2.5 billion.

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🚨 ROME HAS FALLEN

For the first time ever, the Vatican has built a Muslim prayer room inside its Apostolic Library.

While Christians are banned from Mecca, while no church stands in Saudi Arabia, and while Europe’s cathedrals are being turned into mosques, Pope Leo XIV… pic.twitter.com/GoCsgz1iBQ

— Tony Seruga (@TonySeruga) April 13, 2026

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So the Christian church is allowing pagans to worship their gods inside of Christ's Church.

We are truly in the last days.

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By a strict interpretation of the definition of God [omnipotent (all-powerful), omnipresent (everywhere present), and omniscient (all-knowing)] then Allah is the God of Jews and Christians.

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/essay/omnipotence-omniscience-omnipresence-god/

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allah is not the God of the Bible.